Roger Waters & middle East politics

It is hard to like a guy when he spreads hatred. I don't understand why these people get involved in politics. You would think they would be gracious of all fans.

True that. And I'm not listening to Roger Waters (whether he talks or plays) anymore. Not just because of his twisted political views, but simply because this guy hasn't got anything creative on offer at all. Let's not bother ourselves with him, he doesn't matter.

Edited by Darious - October 30 2016 at 12:21

CPicard wrote: Well, I'm still on the left side of political alignemnent, but I'm not sure what it has to do with Roger Waters and his unsollicited opinions about Israel. Anyway, when creating a thread about Roger Waters and his views about the Israeli/Palestinian non-stop fun since 1949, it could be useful to remember what he said and/or wrote... At least, it could be useful for me, since I haven't really read anything about that...

I am still on the left side of political alignment. However, one of the biggest issues in modern left wing politics in Britain is the undying love for various Islamic causes, and undying hatred for anything to do with Israel, and it is, btw, anti Semitic, not anti Zionist. Waters has released a couple of songs which are, undoubtedly, anti Israel and lovingly pro Palestinian. He has refused to play in Israel.

I contrast this with the incredible track Gaza, from Marillion's 2013 album, Sounds That Can't Be Made. This told the story of said territory from a child's perspective, and was incredibly even handed in its approach. Waters' approach is nothing like this.

The Ghost wrote: Well he's a communist, so...

He seems to have attended a guided tour through the so-called Palestine areas that has ended somehow on the wrong side of the Anzio bridgehead. This initiated a sequence of tarnishing scenes that makes it a bit harder to cherish his earlier output. Too bad he has become one of the worms he once described by acting as a spokesman of the BDS movement.

Edited by someone_else - October 30 2016 at 16:50

I understood Waters is standing for an oppressed people - Palestinians.

He is against the actions of the Israeli government.

As most regard all political views from an extremist view (which is not where real politics happen) he is thusly anti Semitic something which he denies and would be consistent with his humanistic principles.

There is a lot of false equivalency assumptions and very easy to lock onto a simple view (the extremist paradigm).

He probably should also include in his diatribes anti Syria, Jordan and Hamas all of whom back and conspire to put the Palestinian people in danger and create an anti Zion, anti-Semite, Anti Israel view. He should also note that Jews have been persecuted for millenia and under the modern state of Israel are now 100% determined that no holocaust shall happen again. That may mean killing others. The mix of religion (bloody beliefs above facts..!), extreme political stances (... again...) all fueled by irresponsible government who do not want any peace accord ever (sorry about the extreme view but this is abetted by the corporate interests profiting from perpetual war).

I think his heart's in the right place but he's adopting extremist tactics (Star of David on a flying pig) that are causing ire among RW and PF fans.

As usual the blame for deaths of civilian populations can be laid at the door of government. Perhaps he should push an anti-government agenda that promotes sacrifice of its own.

It's not simple, easy but it is very dangerous. He links the Israeli government with Nazi views which has such an irony. He's fueling the fire.

The PC left (UK in this instance) will via their own extremism create an environment for extreme right wing growth. Really, there is not too much of a difference. Passive aggression really brings out the worst in me.

Zionism is actually anti-Judaism. Zionists  use the Almighty's promise of the Holy Land, and at the same time they laugh in His face and violate His law. The Almighty commanded us to go into exile, and with three oaths forbade us to create our own country before the coming of the messiah, when the redemption of the world will take place and all mankind will willingly worship the One G-d.

Being against the Israeli government and its occupation of Palestinian land is the only sensible position to have. I'd be very disappointed if he felt differently.

Recently watched his The Wall stage show and fought his overly anti-Israel positioning on material that was never originally that way quite disturbing. Could amount to hatespeak.