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Tom Ozric

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:05

Di'anno probs doesn't even know who Wagner is..........

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:08

Wagner was openly antisemite. Sure he lived well before the nazis, but his political views were and are highly compatible with what Hitler was on about.
Wagner is not like Nietzsche, who was wrongfully heralded as a 'proto-nazi' for his writings about "the superman". Wagner though was the real deal, a fascist...and a musical prodigy.

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:11

Guldbamsen wrote:

Wagner was openly antisemite. Sure he lived well before the nazis, but his political views were and are highly compatible with what Hitler was on about.
Wagner is not like Nietzsche, who was wrongfully heralded as a 'proto-nazi' for his writings about "the superman". Wagner though was the real deal, a fascist...and a musical prodigy.

and yet I've just read that he had Jewish friends and even some say he had Jewish blood.

also some say he had some kind of socialist views as well.

A fascist he was not.

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:18

This is only one link but if you search for yourself you'll find many (of his own) writings that show his antisemitic views.
I'm not out to take anything away from his music legacy, but his political views speak for themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Judenthum_in_der_Musik

Aaaaaaaanyway let's get back to the premise of this thread shall we?

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:18

He was not Goethe for sure

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:19

Guldbamsen wrote:

This is only one link but if you search for yourself you'll find many (of his own) writings that show his antisemitic views.
I'm not out to take anything away from his music legacy, but his political views speak for themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Judenthum_in_der_Musik

Aaaaaaaanyway let's get back to the premise of this thread shall we?

Stephen Fry have a great docu on hes qualms regarding Wagners music and hes anti-smeitisme

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 09:45

I've just read an article on the relevance of Wagner's anti-Semitism and the controversy around that.

The article says Wagner was extremely envious about the Jewish composers of his time and their success which brought him bitterness and as consequence his attack on them and Jewish music.

Is that true or just another point of view, I don't know.

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 11:16

If his singing style and approach wasn't so 'limited', not to say 'attitude' too, he wouldn't have been booted from Maiden. Things would be very different for him now.

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 11:22

It's obvious why he was booted out of Maiden. But I do prefer his style on the Maiden albums. No doubt Bruce Dickinson is a technically more accomplished singer but he also kind of combines the worst aspects of Dio and David Byron put together so that it's really not my cuppa. Of course Bruce is so energetic live he can hold the attention of a 30000 plus audience and do it night after night. Doesn't look like Paul Di'Anno was really cut out for that.

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Posted: May 08 2016 at 12:37

I like the debut album, Killers not so much. But my favorite Maiden era is with Bruce, easily, wether it's the 80's or the 2000's, a lot of great material in both. I think few bands in rock have been as consistent as Maiden. SSOASS, Somewhere in Time, TNOTB, Book of Souls, Brave New World, Powerslve, Final Frontier, etc. So many great albums. I do think The X Factor is a really great album, and the live verions of Sign of the Cross or The Clansman with Bruce are terrific. Virtual XI I find mediocre but not bad.

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Posted: May 10 2016 at 06:38

Just listening to Killers, and man, Paul could scream. He fit the music perfectly. Imagine Bruce singing Purgatory ?! Prodigal Son is brilliant. I love this album.

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Posted: May 10 2016 at 10:21

Tom Ozric wrote:

Just listening to Killers, and man, Paul could scream. He fit the music perfectly. Imagine Bruce singing Purgatory ?! Prodigal Son is brilliant. I love this album.

Paul was more aggressive and rough edged. Also sounded great on the few melodic numbers they did on those two albums, where he sounded more understated, uncanny than Bruce. That said, from Piece of Mind onwards, Maiden tailored their music for Bruce's style of singing and I do think something like Aces High would have been out of Paul's range.

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Posted: May 10 2016 at 15:14

Imagine had Paul been on-board for The Number Of The Beast.
The song Invaders would've been perfect for Paul right of the bat. Much of the music on the album is still in 'Killers' style, I think.

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Posted: May 23 2016 at 20:47

Tom Ozric wrote:

Imagine had Paul been on-board for The Number Of The Beast.
The song Invaders would've been perfect for Paul right of the bat. Much of the music on the album is still in 'Killers' style, I think.

He would fit Invaders, Run to the Hills or The Prisoner, but I can't imagine him singing Hallowed be thy Name, Children of the Damned or 22 Acacia Avenue as great as Bruce does.

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Posted: May 23 2016 at 22:40

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Personally I have a hard time watching anything with Bill Cosby in it.

Yep, and it's a shame because he was such a wonderful comic even years before the show. His LPs were pure gold and to think the whole time he was drugging and raping women is heartbreaking. He of course deserves whatever punishment he gets, but it's another hero gone. Makes Michael Richards look like a saint.

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Posted: May 24 2016 at 08:36

Tom Ozric wrote:

@ Raff - was Di'anno abusing women ?? I am aware he's many (unsavoury) things but now this......? CURVEBALL.......... Now I've lost ALL respect for him (not that I'm a model citizen.........

) but this is too much. May he get what he deserves.................
Raff, how did you find this out ?

Well, TBH, I didn't know this myself, but from what I knew of PDA, it doesn't surprise me at all...

I mean, I knew he was a low-life, so beating women doesn't sound out of character

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BTW, has anything live (full concert, I mean) ever been released as an separate album (no boxset, please) with Di'Anno singing??

Edited by Sean Trane - May 24 2016 at 08:45

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Posted: May 27 2016 at 18:49

Apart from Maiden Japan and a half-hour VHS release I have, nothing else to my knowledge.
Man, if you watch a clip of Remember Tomorrow from 1980 that's on the toob, Paul looks like a nerd......an innocent, little nerd, but he does sing well.

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Posted: June 13 2016 at 07:07

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I like the first two Maiden albums, esecially Killers. Di'anno was not the great singer Bruce is, but his voice worked well enough with that early material.

That sums it up pretty well for me. I also don't think Maiden becomes truly great with Di'anno as lead singer. Bruce gave them something that Paul never could. I'm not sure we're even talking about Iron Maiden if Bruce never joined the band. I'm not suggesting that Bruce is the be-all or end-all but I think his effect on the band is obvious

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Posted: July 22 2016 at 06:52

Paul's been diagnosed with cancer I believe......

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