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KingCrInuYasha 
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Joined: September 26 2010 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1281 |
 Posted: October 20 2014 at 13:38 |
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I can see where you're coming from. A Gift... does sound like one of those "sit back and relax" albums.
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 21 2014 at 18:03 |
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What a ridiculous thread.
I'm not going to even comment on the prog "aspect". As to psych, they say UK psych started with Sunshine Superman, but they like to parrot back and forth a lot on the internet. I myself have parrotted this on ocassion. Truth is NOTHING that came out of the UK is psychedelic music in the truest sense. And if your automatically thinking America , there was precious little there as well. Mock psych there is tons, but the real deal, coming mainly out of Texas, was a very slim timeline with mere handfuls of bands. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 22 2014 at 07:26 |
So, your definition of psych would only include those bands that spoke with a drawl. I realize Bubble Puppy and 13th Floor Elevator came from Texas, but your limited idea of what psych is seems to border on the silly. |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 08:48 |
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It is easy to dismiss that which you do not have any intention of understanding.
Silly it is then. Only it is a silliness shared by many major (vinyl) collector/dealer heads - names that would mean nothing to you. I have not yet read Lundborg's (RIP) Psychedelia tome. It is quickly becoming THE main reference on the scene. Given time Patrick's work WILL - along with Morton Jack - be the main reference. I will go out on a limb and suppose his take on true psychedelia was same as above stated. |
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 09:41 |
This has always been the key question when comparing early American psych with that of the British. Perhaps you should give this question some thought.
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 09:48 |
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The British are clean out of the equation.
There was no movement for them - no Vietnam for one. (With exception of foilkmusic and ocassional eccentricities like Comus, there is no darkness for the Brits only Alice In Wonderland, whimsey, garden gnomes.... |
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 09:55 |
 Perhaps you should read up a bit on this. It could prove helpful.
Edited by SteveG - November 22 2014 at 09:58 |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 22 2014 at 11:24 |
Hmmm... you sound exactly like a former poster who made equally inane pronouncements regarding vinyl dealers and their allegedly sacrosanct record bin categorizations. He was utterly wrong. And history repeats itself, apparently. |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 11:30 |
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Now that you mention it, he does remind me of a certain individual too
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 11:41 |
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People - including myself - do not WANT to be told certain truths.
Do you think I myself want to know that prog came out of bluesrock? That psych came directly out of garage. That the line between garage and psych is so thin as to be.... |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 22 2014 at 11:47 |
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Well it's all down to how you define psych or prog - and as far as I know, the verdict is still out on that. You'll find as many different views on what constitues either of the two styles as there are posters on here........and why wouldn't you? It's music after all.
I will say this though, your definition of psych doesn't sound like any other I've ever come across. |
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams |
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Evolver
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Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 12:01 |
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Donovan may have been personally related to prog, hanging out and jamming with King Crimson (http://www.elephant-talk.com/articles/fripp-yp.htm), opening for Yes, whatever. But musically, he doesn't qualify.
And King Crimson covering a song of his shouldn't allow him in, either. Otherwise Yes covers would have qualified Richie Havens, Simon & Whatshisname, and god knows who else.
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 12:17 |
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Yes, of course the Crimson bit is ridiculousness itself.
Better to further the Donovan arguement, the origional poster could have brought up a '66 Donovan B-side PRECEEDING SUNSHINE SUPERMAN whose title is pretty clear as to the ,then, current (Brit) practice of spiking "sugarcubes" with LSD. But ,of course, the question is : does the said track -whose exact title I forget -smack of psychedelicness to the degree of Sunshine Superman? The answer being...ughhhh...no. |
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 15:19 |
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^The OP left out obvious Psychedelic songs like Mellow Yellow.
(Perhaps they weren't so obvious.)
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Permy
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Joined: November 21 2014 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 17:00 |
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What is Mellow Yellow about?
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13097 |
Posted: November 22 2014 at 20:41 |
Are you asking because you truly don't know, given the song didn't arise from the Austin,TX psych scene, or is there some arcane bit of wisdom you wish to impart regarding the song? And not, of course, anything to do with vibrators or the alleged link to smoking banana skins to get high. |
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Permy
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Posted: November 22 2014 at 22:04 |
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No idea what its about.
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dr wu23
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Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20631 |
Posted: November 23 2014 at 10:52 |
For what it's worth...... "
The song was rumoured to be about smoking dried banana skins, which was believed to be a hallucinogenic drug in the 1960s, though this aspect of bananas has since been debunked.[5] According to Donovan's notes accompanying the album Donovan's Greatest Hits, the rumour that one could get high from smoking dried banana skins was started by Country Joe McDonald in 1966, and Donovan heard the rumour three weeks before "Mellow Yellow" was released as a single. According to The Rolling Stone Illustrated Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll, he admitted later the song made reference to a vibrator; an "electrical banana" as mentioned in the lyrics.[6] This definition was re-affirmed in an interview with NME magazine: "it's about being cool, laid-back, and also the electrical bananas that were appearing on the scene - which were ladies' vibrators."[7] The phrase "mellow yellow" appears towards the end of James Joyce's novel Ulysses, where it is used to refer to Mrs. Marion Bloom's buttocks.[8] But it is not known if Donovan took the phrase from there" |
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 23 2014 at 11:31 |
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It is about the meadow saffron. Right in the song it tells you. Now if you know anything about botany you will be able to understand. Polyploid vs. diploid............http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/breeding/colchicine.htm
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13097 |
Posted: November 23 2014 at 11:48 |
I don't believe Donovan ever started a song with "stately, plump Buck Mulligan" either. 
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