Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II

LSDisease wrote: Mirror Image wrote:   Complete BS of course. As others have mentioned, he did steal a riff or two, but the way he developed the songs were completely his own and no one else could emulate him. He had a unique vision and I think the music speaks for itself. There's always people like you saying negative things, but history has been quite kind to Zeppelin and there's a reason why: they were all amazing musicians. No no, it's proved they stole music, and they were average musicians at best If I had a chance to delete one band from the history of music it'd be Led Zeppelin. Absolutely worthless piece of sh*t.

Edited by Mirror Image - August 12 2014 at 09:35

LSDisease wrote: KingCrInuYasha wrote: There's no denying the first part, but I don't think you would know average if you saw/heard it. I can always compare to some others , Jimmy Page is one of the sloppiest guitarists I've ever heard. He's not creative not even a good musician. Something good about him? He influenced Alex Lifeson,  although I prefer Rush when Lifeson didn't want to sound like Page anymore.

Have you ever heard Page's work with the Yardbirds or his studio work with artists from Donovan to Manfred Mann? As exact as Calpton's or Beck's. Did you ever suppose that his "sloppy" playing is his style, or is that over your head?

It doesn't sound too bad. Plant's voice on other hand...

LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off.

Okay, to settle this once and for all, here are the songs that Zepp did rip off.


White Summer (trad., "She Moved Trough The Fair", best covered by Davey Graham, various versions in the mid to late 1960s)

Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You (written by Anne Brendon in the late 1950s, best covered by Joan Baez in Joan Baez In Concert, Part 1, 1962)

Dazed And Confused (Jake Holmes, from The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes, 1967)

Black Mountain Side (trad. "Black Water Side", best covered by Bert Jansch, from Jack Orion, 1966)

How Many More Times ("How Many More Years" by Howlin' Wolf, single released in (1951) and "The Hunter" by Albert King, from Born Under A Bad Sign, 1967)

Whole Lotta Love (based/ripped off from "You Need Love'" by Willie Dixon and  performed by Muddy Waters; released as a single in 1962)

The Lemon Song (Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor", single released in 1964, with some Robert Johnson thrown in)

Living Loving Maid (more or less based on "Nervous Breakdown" by Eddie Cochran, from Never To Be Forgotten, recorded in the second half of the 1950s, released 1962)

Moby Dick (based/ripped off of "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker, single released in 1961)

Bring It On Home (ripped off from Willie Dixon song of the same name, performed by Sonny Boy Williamson, single released in 1966)

Traveling Riverside Blues (ripped off from Robert Johnson, 1937)

Since I've Been Loving You (based/ripped off from "Never" by Bob Mosley, performed by Moby Grape, from Wow/Grape Jam, 1968)

Tangerine (original from Yardbirds "Know That I'm Losing You", 1968, but some involvement from Keith Relf, IIRC)

Hats Off To Roy Harper (ripped off from "Shake 'Em On Down" by Bukka White, single released in 1937)

Stairway To Heaven (main melody ripped off from "Taurus" by Randy California, performed by Spirit, from Spirit, 1968)

When The Levee Breaks (ripped off from Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie song of the same name, single released in 1929)

Custard Pie (see Hats Off To Roy Harper)

In My Time Of Dying (traditional going back to "Jesus Is Going To Make My Dying Bed", fist recorded by J.C. Burnett, but first official release by Blind Willie Johnson in 1927, also recored by Bob Dylan in his self titled debut, 1962)

Boogie With Stu (ripped off rom "Ooh My Head", from Ritchie Valens, from his self titled album, 1959)

Nobody's Fault But Mine (traditional, first recored by Blinf Willie Johnson in 1927)


The rest, as far as I know, were originals (EDIT: or properly credited covers).

Edited by KingCrInuYasha - August 12 2014 at 12:24

KingCrInuYasha wrote: It doesn't sound too bad. Plant's voice on other hand... LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off. Okay, to settle this once and for all, here are the songs that Zepp did rip off.White Summer (trad., "She Moved Trough The Fair", best covered by Davey Graham, various versions in the mid to late 1960s)Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You (written by Anne Brendon in the late 1950s, best covered by Joan Baez in Joan Baez In Concert, Part 1, 1962)Dazed And Confused (Jake Holmes, from The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes, 1967)Black Mountain Side (trad. "Black Water Side", best covered by Bert Jansch, from Jack Orion, 1966)How Many More Times ("How Many More Years" by Howlin' Wolf, single released in (1951) and "The Hunter" by Albert King, from Born Under A Bad Sign, 1967)Whole Lotta Love (based/ripped off from "You Need Love'" by Willie Dixon and  performed by Muddy Waters; released as a single in 1962)The Lemon Song (Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor", single released in 1964, with some Robert Johnson thrown in)Living Loving Maid (more or less based on "Nervous Breakdown" by Eddie Cochran, from Never To Be Forgotten, recorded in the second half of the 1950s, released 1962)Moby Dick (based/ripped off of "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker, single released in 1961)Bring It On Home (ripped off from Willie Dixon song of the same name, performed by Sonny Boy Williamson, single released in 1966)Traveling Riverside Blues (ripped off from Robert Johnson, 1937)Since I've Been Loving You (based/ripped off from "Never" by Bob Mosley, performed by Moby Grape, from Wow/Grape Jam, 1968)Tangerine (original from Yardbirds "Know That I'm Losing You", 1968, but some involvement from Keith Relf, IIRC)Hats Off To Roy Harper (ripped off from "Shake 'Em On Down" by Bukka White, single released in 1937)Stairway To Heaven (main melody ripped off from "Taurus" by Randy California, performed by Spirit, from Spirit, 1968)When The Levee Breaks (ripped off from Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie song of the same name, single released in 1929)Custard Pie (see Hats Off To Roy Harper)In My Time Of Dying (traditional going back to "Jesus Is Going To Make My Dying Bed", fist recorded by J.C. Burnett, but first official release by Blind Willie Johnson in 1927, also recored by Bob Dylan in his self titled debut, 1962)Boogie With Stu (ripped off rom "Ooh My Head", from Ritchie Valens, from his self titled album, 1959)Nobody's Fault But Mine (traditional, first recored by Blinf Willie Johnson in 1927)The rest, as far as I know, were originals (EDIT: or properly credited covers).

To really be fair, loosen up your fingers, and type up a list of songs that Zeppelin didn't lift. I have plenty of time to wait for it. Do you?

Edited by SteveG - August 12 2014 at 14:23

uduwudu wrote: Catcher10 wrote: There is nothing wrong with the "originals", that is correct. But the 90's remasters from originals are not very good. Jimmy Page and the boyz have known this and are doing the right thing by issuing new remixed versions and correcting the bad mastering. He has returned the sound to what LZ was when they first came out on vinyl...big, bold, beefy sound. With much better depth, clarity and detail than the originals. For me hearing that classic Zeppelin sound coming from my turntable is pretty special....brings a tear to my eye Just wondering which originals. Atlantic issued the albums unremastered - in the digital format back then they did not sound so good - just .... post production master (2 generations on from the original tapes!) master> DAC > 24 bit > down sample > 16 bit CD. Page then did a complete remastering and they ended up as good as they were going to get (though hi res should sort that out!).But the thing is... are people not identifying the remasters from the (possibly still floating around) 80s issues?That could be a problem.

I am talking about the original vinyl issues from back in the day, for me in the US issued on Atlantic records. Those original vinyl issues are very good considering we are talking about late 60s early 70s.

From there the master tapes were then transferred to digital then pressed to CD, I think those are not very good. You first need to use an ADC (Mother Tapes > ADC...) so you can then work in the digital domain.
There is where I believe most of the disasters happen before the DAC process. And for sure ADC and DAC back in the early 80's were probably not very good.

The 2014 remix/remasters are much, much closer to the original versions with some good digital mastering to clean it all up and return it to pristine condition. And these 2014 issues are done from hi-res files 24/96 if I am not mistaken, of course the CDs are redbook. The LP are cut from the 24/96 files, which is why at least for me I think they sound better than the CD versions.

EDIT: From the LZ website, I should have checked, but I knew it was one or the other, as it turns out the masters were created from 24/192 transfers from original tapes

"Technical note: The new remasters were created from 192 kHz/24 bit digital transfers of the original analogue tapes. The catalogue is being remastered now to take advantage of the significant advances in mastering technology that have occurred since 1991."

Since no DVD/A versions are included, only way to hear the hi-res files is to download the 24/96 files and you must have a DAC capable of playing 24/96 resolutions. Again the included CDs will be standard redbook 16/44

Edited by Catcher10 - August 12 2014 at 16:09

SteveG wrote: ^Correct Jose, Zep CD remasters are indeed Redbook. I know that high res track files can be downloaded, but I don't know how they sound (and I'm not really that interested. )

I downloaded the hi-res files but have not played them...the A/B I did was with vinyl and the CDs, which as I said I prefer the vinyl versions. I suspect the vinyl and hi-res versions are comparable, my DAC will process up to 24/192 files.

I too have zero desire to go down the hi-res download avenue. I have a few albums in 24/96 and 24/192 and really not much improvement for the cost....now DSD64/128 I understand can be the cats meow! But now we are talking about a budget I would prefer to use on my analog end.

Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: ^Correct Jose, Zep CD remasters are indeed Redbook. I know that high res track files can be downloaded, but I don't know how they sound (and I'm not really that interested. ) I downloaded the hi-res files but have not played them...the A/B I did was with vinyl and the CDs, which as I said I prefer the vinyl versions. I suspect the vinyl and hi-res versions are comparable, my DAC will process up to 24/192 files. I too have zero desire to go down the hi-res download avenue. I have a few albums in 24/96 and 24/192 and really not much improvement for the cost....now DSD64/128 I understand can be the cats meow! But now we are talking about a budget I would prefer to use on my analog end.

I agree Jose. D$D64/128 i$ suppo$ed to be awe$ome. But I keep thinking about the co$t for some $trange rea$on.

So are we saying that LZ did not pay any royalties, or the record company, back to the original authors of some of these songs LZ supposedly stole?

Van Halen essentially was a very good cover band for tons of songs previously recorded by other musicians, they made a lot of money too. I agree that Eddie VH was an excellent guitarist, he put his flare and personalization on all those songs....You may also say he stole his tapping technique from Steve Hackett.

Led Zeppelin = Hammer of the Gods

Mirror Image wrote: I'm just tired of hearing all the crap about how Zeppelin stole this or stole that. I don't care. It's like I said before, it's what they did with a blues or folk song, for example, that makes it special and turns it into something only they could do.