Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II
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Topic: Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II
Posted By: Michael678
Subject: Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 10:19
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well shoot its not by threes anymore, but now i wonder....: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/led-zeppelin-iv-houses-reissues/" rel="nofollow - http://ultimateclassicrock.com/led-zeppelin-iv-houses-reissues/
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 11:50
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Meh, not interested. There's nothing there to make we want to get them. I'm quite content with the 1990s remasters.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 12:57
not even the bonus tracks?? ------------- Progrockdude |
KingCrInuYasha wrote:Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 15:43
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No, not really. They seem to be mostly remixes. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 17:22
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huh, yeah, good point. plus there's only one live disc released. ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 17:34
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Unfortunately, Zeppelin just doesn't have that much rare unreleased stuff. I don't care for alternate versions either, that's always the buzz kill of bonus tracks to me. That said, I will probably be getting at least one or two of these new sets, because my Zep collection is mostly due for an upgrade anyway. A couple of them are the same vinyl copies I've had for over 30 years and there's been a little wear and tear. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 18:15
| Considering IV since I haven't ever purchased it on CD. Otherwise I wouldn't splurge for another edition, don't care about alternate mixes. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 18:36
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Interesting sets here. Alt mixes would be worth hearing but not enough to grab my wallet as I have all the zep albums. ------------- 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 22:32
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For me all my Zepp vinyl is worn out...I stopped playing my original vinyl issues years ago.
Like I,II and II....I will be getting these in the vinyl versions of course. The sound, the experience and the memories are brilliant! -------------   
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 29 2014 at 23:15
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Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans.
Shame on them. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 07:23
really, how so? ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 19:25
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 20:18
lol.....? ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:23
JPJ will make some money too, I hope. People aren't sheep, if they don't want them they won't buy them. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 30 2014 at 22:32
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 09:28
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There is nothing wrong with the "originals", that is correct. But the 90's remasters from originals are not very good. Jimmy Page and the boyz have known this and are doing the right thing by issuing new remixed versions and correcting the bad mastering.
He has returned the sound to what LZ was when they first came out on vinyl...big, bold, beefy sound. With much better depth, clarity and detail than the originals. For me hearing that classic Zeppelin sound coming from my turntable is pretty special....brings a tear to my eye 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 11:57
| ^ Word. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:00
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:03
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Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:11
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M what a shame, they were even too lazy to change the titles. Lack of creativity but that's probably because of drugs. Find me another band who did the same. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 12:43
I think a lot of the Led Zep song credits now include the original author.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 15:02
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 16:42
Jimmy Page was unknown musician back then, he became famous after he stole other artists music. And if it wasn't enough http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line Jimmy Page is a talentless f**k. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 17:33
 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 17:43
 If Page is a 'talentless f**k ' then so is Clapton, Beck, Hendrix, and all the other older blues rock players ,etc since they have all stole riffs ,chords , and songs from old black blues artists....and then we can go on to Perry, Slash, Jack White and every other modern blues rock guitarist who have stolen from Page, Clapton, Hendrix , etc. I will agree that in several cases Zep did not give credit where it was due., but that was a common problem in the rock community back in the day and has nothing to do with guitar playing ability or anything else. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 17:49
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 31 2014 at 21:28
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Jimmy Page was an enormous talent who also purloined a huge quantity of material that he then altered enough to sound original. And not just the old blues cats, I can hear everyone from Tim Harden to Stevie Wonder in Page's, Plant's and Jones' contributions. But I'm afraid Dr Wu's comments only scratch the surface; recorded music is often a collage of previous musics come together in an individual way. The Beatles did this masterfully, pretty much imitating early American songcraft as a medium by which to exercise their own writing, it's just that they hid their thievery better than most. This was one of the reasons progressive rock progressed, it was, especially earlier, an extension of other peoples' music not an alternative to it, a product that came from within the rock community rather than an outside intrusion. And the apple didn't fall that far from the tree. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 03:45
They at least didn't steal whole songs just single riffs and chords. Find me another band who took whole songs (with the lyrics) and claimed it was their stuff. That brazen attitude and inability to write their own original material make Led Zeppelin the most overrated band of all time. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 05:12
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^ It's that brazen attitude that made them so powerful, few others had the audacity to go out and play others' music so brilliantly. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 05:52
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^I must admit they were powerful cos they fooled so many people but that makes them overrated too.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 06:59
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 09:15
| Correct Chop. On every album from Zep 2 through to Coda. Some people get tunnel vision and miss the bigger picture. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 09:19
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 09:25
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 10:10
Fair point, although LZ II has a few disputed old blues songs as well (Whole Lotta Love was "borrowed" from Willie Dixon, also The Lemon Song is Killing Floor I believe by the same artist.
I guess by the time they got to LZ IV they'd realised the error of their ways as "When the levee breaks" has always had a joint credit as far as I know..
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 10:26
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^Agree about the lyrics of Whole Lotta Love but the killer riff was from Page and that's what's important to me.The lemon song was another dug up blues but as Dr Wu said, that was common with sixties blues rock bands at the time and Zeppelin was quickly moving away from the blues so they needed their own material from then on. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 11:57
I was thinking the same thing about the Beatles and this Zeppelin topic of "stealing" music. All this music comes from very early blues, soul and R&B...throw in the new found distorted guitar, rougher vocals and in your face rhythm section now you have Cream, Yardbirds, The Who and Zeppelin.. Spot on Atavachron -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 14:49
| ^The deal with early American blues music, like early American folk music was that performers lifted riffs and melodies or lyrics from each other and changed them to suit their particular songs and needs. This was a known fact and that's why no one threw a fit when a blues tune got clipped. After all, people thought, who really created the original to begin with? When blues rock became big business obviously this attitude changed but Zeppelin was operating in between those two opinions at the time the band took off. That's why no one jumped all over Zep at the time. Now in our retro world, people look back and say 'Oh, how terrible they were.' But it's all been taken out of context now. Again, Zep still originally produced the majority of their music. The last time I was in a southern Delta blues club (quite awhile ago, btw), I don't recall the lone artist playing anything that resembled Kashmir. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 01 2014 at 21:16
The killer riff was indeed Page's but it is clearly a standard blues riff that is repeatedly used by old and new bluesmen alike; root ~ minor three ~ four, with that chunky mute, a bit of swing in the right hand, and amp tone that would go on to define metal for the next twenty years . But nothing special in the notes or pattern, it was what Page did with it that mattered, ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 02 2014 at 08:17
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 04 2014 at 23:03
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I would be very interested to know what people think of the new 2014 remasters compared to the early 90s remasters? I own The Complete Studio Recordings set and this set was released in 93 and contains the most recent remasters done at that time. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 00:33
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^ I think there's some discussion of that on pages 1 and 2 of this thread
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 09:50
Complete BS of course. As others have mentioned, he did steal a riff or two, but the way he developed the songs were completely his own and no one else could emulate him. He had a unique vision and I think the music speaks for itself. There's always people like you saying negative things, but history has been quite kind to Zeppelin and there's a reason why: they were all amazing musicians. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 10:32
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 12:24
Like anything in the 90's from a "remaster" view...there are haters and lovers. Seems everything I read about the Complete Studio Recordings is almost 50/50. I don't have any of those issues, only have original vinyl and some of the other CD issues which are bad. I can only speak to the A/B I have been doing with original vinyl and these 2014 reissues, which are glorious. -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 15:12
| ^I'm also doing an A/B with old vinyl versus new and I agree with C-10, the new vinyl sounds great. A friend who has the 2014 CD's says that they sound great also. Either format is a sure bet. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 19:36
Thanks for the feedback, Catcher. Once IV and Houses of the Holy are released in October, I might go ahead and buy those Deluxe CD Editions, but, honestly, I'm happy with these 90s remasters. They sound good to my ears.
------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 05 2014 at 19:37
Thanks for the feedback.  ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 04:56
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This business about the credits is not that simple. There is one element
that music fans ignore (why?) and that is the music business. Who
places the credits, who pays the publishers, who administers royalties,
who supervises the distribution. The record company. Not the singer from
a rock band or whoever. Consider 1968 and 1969. Plant called the music biz people then "brigands". He should know. Spirit, Jake Holmes, The Yardbirds and Robert Plant were CBS artists for example. CBS thought they were going to get Page who was not signed to them - this was the crucial bit. At that time they were The Yardbirds but had to be renamed anyway as the Name was in the control of CBS. CBS spent years trying to get their revenge on Grant and Ertegun by re-releasing that Live Yardbirds LP all the time. Ertegun tried to get back on CBS by ensuring changes were made. The publishers ASCAP had decided Dazed was a separate work from Home's Dazed. But Plant never gets a writing credit for his work; the industry had given him a very bad, very cynical example. This is one reason that Plant has only recently got his first credit on the first album. The powers that be set everyone such a good example, models of integrity. Holmes was credted by yhe Yardbirds for Dazed on Cumular Limit. Page wanted to do it but had to base a new nunmber around Dazed, the lyrics were changed, new music introduced and all this so the Erteh=guns would not have to play loadsa money to clive Davis boss then (and now?) of CBS. I wonder if Joan Baez ever knew the real writer of Babe I'm Gonna leave You. They always said their version was based around her recording - gave a t a trad arr, which was correct. But yes, many numbers were lifted and miscredited. Sections of Hoow Many More Times, Balck Mountain Side (Trad arr, is acceptable but I think it's given to Page). Lemon Song was orginally credited to C. Burentte (H. Wolf) but was changed after the first pressing. Whole Lotta Love's lyrics a sounded awfully familar when Muddy Waters sang 'em. There are musical influences blues standards which the hysterially inclined call rip offs. But these are standard styles that can be traced to many a pioneer thanks to recoded music history, not necessarily to the originator. At this rate there would be ten musical artists credited for allmusc! Nobody's Fault is as is often the case all original bllues lyric, music Zeppelin. Wish I could remember who wrote Moby Dick. I have heard it but the title and band escapes me. But the Zeppelin version is really just the drum solo. There are other bands doing things - Purple's Black Night riff is a Ricky Nelson B side for example. So's Child In Time. Shine On You Crazy Diamond has it's origins (rather blatantly) on the Steve Miller Band's first album. I should indicate that my sources for some are posted on this site. Keith Emerson ran into publishing trouble with classical compposers not credietd - or properly). Clapton accidentally re wrote Stairway (I was glad to read that in his auto biog, as figuring out Let It Grow made me think ... Stairway in Bm? I thought I was going mad... I think a lot of recording history and focus on the fairly visible Zeppelin has created a bit of a monster. Humble Pie did You Need Love (also mis-credited). Plant was a Marriott fan and may have heard it there first and thought it traditional - original writer unknown. To Zeppelin's cost this is not true but this is up to the people who run the business to know what they call their business. They were gravely let down by the guy to whom they paid tribute. Oh yes, until recently (1990 something) Atlantic had Zeppelin on the lowest royalty rate they could get away with. The things is; one can or should not never take things at face value, certainly not complex issues. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 04:57
| Oh by the way has anyone heard the hi res downloads of the remastered remasters? Love to know about the comparison. Especially if they are going to get a hard copy release. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 09:29
In the words of Igor Stravinsky, one of the 20th Century's greatest composers, "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal."  ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 09:44
That is all that matters..... -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 06 2014 at 09:49
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I bought the Super Deluxe Box set of LZ I which came with CDs, they sound very good but really to my ears as good as the vinyl issues and vice versa.
Doing A/B I detect a very slight roll off the bass/low end frequency that hangs out longer with the vinyl version. Makes the vinyl version ever so slightly fuller, beefier that's all. I can't wait to hear LZ IV and Houses. I have the 90's CD of Houses and always felt it was thin sounding, clean and clinical but thin. Should be good! -------------
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 09 2014 at 20:15
| Houses of The Holy reissue definitely has my attention. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 11:42
Considering that they and the Rolling Stones were the reason why so many progressive and experimental bands were dumped from the distributors lists and record companies in 1973 and 1974, I would say ... that greed is a bit of an issue.
Greed is good, still lives! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 10 2014 at 11:45
That's kind of unfair. There are millions of guitarists that are not worth the mention that are listed, EVEN, in the top ten on this board!
And if you listen to Gomelsky talk about Jimmy, he is a very professional and good musician that was usually prepared for his work!
Another sidebar issue, is, that of ALL the bootlegs I have ever heard in my ears, none of them is ever as good as the Zep bootlegs, specially in the 70/71 and 72 era, before the stupid song mania. Their concerts were tight, and very strong and a total blow out. And if you did not see them, then, you did not appreciate great musicians just tearing up the stage and the audience to shreds, like you can not imagine.
I have a great appreciation for their music. I just did not like the fact that both they and the Rolling Stones, were responsible for the effort to kill progressive, experimental and dump hundreds of bands off the pressing and distribution lists! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 01:28
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Physical Graffiti is the one I am waiting for.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 05:55
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Led zep certainly we're talented no matter what riffs they borrowed so I am not sure why they are being slammed here. -------------
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 06:09
No no, it's proved they stole music, and they were average musicians at best If I had a chance to delete one band from the history of music it'd be Led Zeppelin. Absolutely worthless piece of sh*t. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 09:07
Just wondering which originals. Atlantic issued the albums unremastered - in the digital format back then they did not sound so good - just .... post production master (2 generations on from the original tapes!) master> DAC > 24 bit > down sample > 16 bit CD. Page then did a complete remastering and they ended up as good as they were going to get (though hi res should sort that out!). But the thing is... are people not identifying the remasters from the (possibly still floating around) 80s issues? That could be a problem. |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 09:34
Complete BS. I don't understand why you just can't say you don't enjoy their music? I mean how many threads are you going to pollute with your so-called 'opinions"? There are people here who like Led Zeppelin and I'm one of them. It's fine that you don't like their music, nobody here is forcing you to like them, but I think it's rather juvenile of you to continue to beat this dead horse. None of us care what they stole, they were still remarkable musicians. Can you actually discuss a band you don't like without the incessant need to put them down or does everything have to be so black/white with you?
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 09:39
There's no denying the first part, but I don't think you would know average if you saw/heard it. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:02
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:35
do you really know what I'm talking about? this is sloppy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bc9m7nbMC4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bc9m7nbMC4 ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 12:14
It doesn't sound too bad. Plant's voice on other hand... 
Okay, to settle this once and for all, here are the songs that Zepp did rip off. White Summer (trad., "She Moved Trough The Fair", best covered by Davey Graham, various versions in the mid to late 1960s) Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You (written by Anne Brendon in the late 1950s, best covered by Joan Baez in Joan Baez In Concert, Part 1, 1962) Dazed And Confused (Jake Holmes, from The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes, 1967) Black Mountain Side (trad. "Black Water Side", best covered by Bert Jansch, from Jack Orion, 1966) How Many More Times ("How Many More Years" by Howlin' Wolf, single released in (1951) and "The Hunter" by Albert King, from Born Under A Bad Sign, 1967) Whole Lotta Love (based/ripped off from "You Need Love'" by Willie Dixon and performed by Muddy Waters; released as a single in 1962) The Lemon Song (Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor", single released in 1964, with some Robert Johnson thrown in) Living Loving Maid (more or less based on "Nervous Breakdown" by Eddie Cochran, from Never To Be Forgotten, recorded in the second half of the 1950s, released 1962) Moby Dick (based/ripped off of "Watch Your Step" by Bobby Parker, single released in 1961) Bring It On Home (ripped off from Willie Dixon song of the same name, performed by Sonny Boy Williamson, single released in 1966) Traveling Riverside Blues (ripped off from Robert Johnson, 1937) Since I've Been Loving You (based/ripped off from "Never" by Bob Mosley, performed by Moby Grape, from Wow/Grape Jam, 1968) Tangerine (original from Yardbirds "Know That I'm Losing You", 1968, but some involvement from Keith Relf, IIRC) Hats Off To Roy Harper (ripped off from "Shake 'Em On Down" by Bukka White, single released in 1937) Stairway To Heaven (main melody ripped off from "Taurus" by Randy California, performed by Spirit, from Spirit, 1968) When The Levee Breaks (ripped off from Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie song of the same name, single released in 1929) Custard Pie (see Hats Off To Roy Harper) In My Time Of Dying (traditional going back to "Jesus Is Going To Make My Dying Bed", fist recorded by J.C. Burnett, but first official release by Blind Willie Johnson in 1927, also recored by Bob Dylan in his self titled debut, 1962) Boogie With Stu (ripped off rom "Ooh My Head", from Ritchie Valens, from his self titled album, 1959) Nobody's Fault But Mine (traditional, first recored by Blinf Willie Johnson in 1927) The rest, as far as I know, were originals (EDIT: or properly credited covers). ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 12:38
^well that just made the lemon juice run down my leg 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 14:21
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 14:42
I'm not a great fan of Led Zep. They were probably the band that convinced me to listen to prog. It did seem all very dull at the time. However tracks such as Kashmir , Dazed and Confused and Immigrant Song do seem a cut above the ordinary. Were they great musicians? I would argue a case for Bonham at the very least but guitar has never been that important to me so I don't know about Page. JPJ was a decent bass player and a very good keys man but probably nothing out of the ordinary. Robert Plant is not my cup of tea style wise but his 'vocalising' on Kashmir is superb and at least demonstrates something beyond the usual bog standard blues rock thing. Perhaps not great musicians individually but a great band collectively.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 15:50
I am talking about the original vinyl issues from back in the day, for me in the US issued on Atlantic records. Those original vinyl issues are very good considering we are talking about late 60s early 70s. From there the master tapes were then transferred to digital then pressed to CD, I think those are not very good. You first need to use an ADC (Mother Tapes > ADC...) so you can then work in the digital domain. There is where I believe most of the disasters happen before the DAC process. And for sure ADC and DAC back in the early 80's were probably not very good. The 2014 remix/remasters are much, much closer to the original versions with some good digital mastering to clean it all up and return it to pristine condition. And these 2014 issues are done from hi-res files 24/96 if I am not mistaken, of course the CDs are redbook. The LP are cut from the 24/96 files, which is why at least for me I think they sound better than the CD versions. EDIT: From the LZ website, I should have checked, but I knew it was one or the other, as it turns out the masters were created from 24/192 transfers from original tapes "Technical note: The new remasters were created from 192 kHz/24 bit digital transfers of the original analogue tapes. The catalogue is being remastered now to take advantage of the significant advances in mastering technology that have occurred since 1991." Since no DVD/A versions are included, only way to hear the hi-res files is to download the 24/96 files and you must have a DAC capable of playing 24/96 resolutions. Again the included CDs will be standard redbook 16/44 -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 16:11
^Correct Jose, Zep CD remasters are indeed Redbook. I know that high res track files can be downloaded, but I don't know how they sound (and I'm not really that interested.  )
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 16:31
I downloaded the hi-res files but have not played them...the A/B I did was with vinyl and the CDs, which as I said I prefer the vinyl versions. I suspect the vinyl and hi-res versions are comparable, my DAC will process up to 24/192 files. I too have zero desire to go down the hi-res download avenue. I have a few albums in 24/96 and 24/192 and really not much improvement for the cost....now DSD64/128 I understand can be the cats meow! But now we are talking about a budget I would prefer to use on my analog end. -------------
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 16:40
Okay. Good Times, Bad Times You Shook Me (properly credited cover of Willie Dixon song) Your Time Is Gonna Come Communication Breakdown I Can't Quit You Baby (properly credited cover of Willie Dixon song) What Is And What Should Never Be Thank You Heartbreaker Ramble On Immigrant Song Friends Celebration Day Out On The Tiles Gallow's Pole (properly credited traditional) That's The Way Bron-Y-Aur Stomp Hey Hey What Can I Do Black Dog Rock And Roll The Battle Of Evermore Misty Mountain Hop Four Sticks Going To California The Song Remains The Same The Rain Song Over The Hills And Far Away The Crunge Dancing Days D'Yer Mak'Er No Quarter The Ocean The Rover Houses Of The Holy Trampled Under Foot Kashmir In The Light Bron-Yr-Aur Down By The Seaside Ten Years Gone Night Flight Wanton Song Black Country Woman Sick Again Achilles' Last Stand For Your Life Royal Orleans Candy Store Rock Hots On For Nowhere Tea For One In The Evening South Bound Suarez Fool In The Rain Hot Dog Carouselambra All My Love I'm Gonna Crawl We're Gonna Grove (properly credited cover of Ben E. King song) Poor Tom Walter's Walk Ozone Baby Darlene Bonzo's Montreux
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 17:59
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 18:01
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 10:52
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So are we saying that LZ did not pay any royalties, or the record company, back to the original authors of some of these songs LZ supposedly stole?
Van Halen essentially was a very good cover band for tons of songs previously recorded by other musicians, they made a lot of money too. I agree that Eddie VH was an excellent guitarist, he put his flare and personalization on all those songs....You may also say he stole his tapping technique from Steve Hackett. -------------
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 23:02
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I'm just tired of hearing all the crap about how Zeppelin stole this or stole that. I don't care. It's like I said before, it's what they did with a blues or folk song, for example, that makes it special and turns it into something only they could do. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 00:28
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Led Zeppelin = Hammer of the Gods -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 13:59
Wrong.....first album there are two covers....Ice Cream Man is also a cover originally recorded by John Brim a blues guitarist. VH II = You're No Good, sung by Linda Ronstadt, big pop hit, written by Clint Ballard. Diver Down = Half the album is covers, more Ray Davies, Roy Orbison, Marvin Gaye and even Bill Evans. Whether it was one song or 100 songs, both LZ and VH covered other artists. Stealing is against the law and not sure either of them have been charged with copy right infringement. Seems you read a lot of Rolling Stone mag back in the day, as their critics did not like LZ much. Unless I had first hand knowledge from Jimmy Page himself, I would never say he stole anything. -------------
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 15:59
I think we are all a bit tired......perhaps we should not 'feed the troll' and he might just vanish.
Just saying......
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 16:03
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 20:34
It doesn't matter if we feed him or not, he's like a rash that won't go away. It doesn't matter what kind of ointment you apply, he's still there staring you right in the eye.------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:51
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^ Yeah and he's been here since '08, he ain't going nowhere. He's just an angry young man who hasn't matured enough personally or musically to see the subtleties of art and the creative process. Maybe someday he will, maybe not.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:55
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Oh he's gone away for a while, don't worry.
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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 22:19
 ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 14:05
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may be unrelated, but happy birthday Robert!!! ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 19:32
^It's Absolutely  Related!! Party on Robert!!!     
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 21:53
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 23:49
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Planty !
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |