Led Zeppelin Reissues Part II

SteveG wrote: LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off. That's an extreme statement. I freely admit that Page lifted some songs or riffs from other artists like Jansch and Holmes but he composed 99% of his songs. He was too talented not come up with his own material.  This is Jimmy Page we are talking about after all, not some second rate hack.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M

what a shame, they were even too lazy to change the titles. Lack of creativity but that's probably because of drugs. Find me another band who did the same.

LSDisease wrote: SteveG wrote: LSDisease wrote: Maybe these reissues will finally include the complete credit lists. Jimmy Page never wrote a single original song, all ripped off. That's an extreme statement. I freely admit that Page lifted some songs or riffs from other artists like Jansch and Holmes but he composed 99% of his songs. He was too talented not come up with his own material.  This is Jimmy Page we are talking about after all, not some second rate hack.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5Mwhat a shame, they were even too lazy to change the titles. Lack of creativity but that's probably because of drugs. Find me another band who did the same.

From what song did Page copy the long psychedelic breakdown played on his Fender Telecaster (yes, Telecaster not Les Paul) with a violin bow on the song Dazed and Confused that The Yardbirds lifted from Holmes? Do you think he got that from Holmes who was a second rate folk artist? I think that you protest too much without considering the entire songs as the basic musical structures of many are very different than the songs that they are supposed to be copped from.

Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 15:37

SteveG wrote: Michael678 wrote: SteveG wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Another excuse for Page and Plant to make more money from the fans. Shame on them. I beg to differ Doc as I have waited along time for these albums to be remastered and they sound great compared to the 90's remasters which were congested  and flat as the tech is much better now. Unlike Floyd who seemed to remaster and repackage ad infinitum, Zep have held on to these so long that I thought that I and band would die before they were remastered so I'm one happy camper.  I might even  be buried with them, that's how good they sound.  lol.....? No. It's in my will along with Led Zep 4 (Zoso) and a lot of Hendrix to take to the other side.

Now that's funny.......

LSDisease wrote: SteveG wrote:   From what song did Page copy the long psychedelic breakdown played on his Fender Telecaster (yes, Telecaster not Les Paul) with a violin bow on the song Dazed and Confused that The Yardbirds lifted from Holmes? Do you think he got that from Holmes who was a second rate folk artist? I think that you protest too much without considering the entire songs as the basic musical structures of many are very different than the songs that they are supposed to be copped from. Jimmy Page was unknown musician back then, he became famous after he stole other artists music.  And if it wasn't enough http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314256004/led-zeppelin-sued-over-stairway-to-heaven-guitar-line Jimmy Page is a talentless f**k.

Jealousy is flattery in the music business, so I like what I like what hear. And Dr. Wu is correct.


Edited by SteveG - July 31 2014 at 17:50

dr wu23 wrote:   If Page is a 'talentless f**k ' then so is Clapton, Beck, Hendrix, and all the other older blues rock players ,etc  since they have all stole riffs ,chords , and songs from old black blues artists....and then we can go on to Perry, Slash, Jack White and every other modern blues rock guitarist who have stolen from Page, Clapton, Hendrix , etc.  I will agree that in several cases Zep did not give credit where it was due., but that was a common problem in the rock community back in the day and has nothing to do with guitar playing ability or anything else.

They at least didn't steal whole songs just single riffs and chords. Find me another band who took whole songs (with the lyrics) and claimed it was their stuff. That brazen attitude and inability to write their own original material make Led Zeppelin the most overrated band of all time.

^I must admit they were powerful cos they fooled so many people but that makes them overrated too.

Correct Chop. On every album from Zep 2 through to Coda. Some people get tunnel vision and miss the bigger picture.

Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 09:41

chopper wrote: SteveG wrote: Correct Chop. On every album from Zep 2 through to Coda. Some prople get tunnel vision and miss the bigger picture. Not Led Zep 1?

  It is the album with the disputed songs so for the sake of simplicity I moved on the 2nd album. Eight albums of original material with one being a double album is enough to make the point.


Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 09:42

^Agree about the lyrics of Whole Lotta Love but the killer riff was from Page and that's what's important to me.The lemon song was another dug up blues but as Dr Wu said, that was common with sixties blues rock bands at the time and Zeppelin was quickly moving away from the blues so they needed their own material from then on.


Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 10:41

^The deal with early American blues music, like early American folk music was that performers lifted riffs and melodies or lyrics from each other and changed them to suit their particular songs and needs. This was a known fact and that's why no one threw a fit when a blues tune got clipped. After all, people thought, who really created the original to begin with? When blues rock became big business obviously this attitude changed but Zeppelin was operating in between those two opinions at the time the band took off. That's why no one jumped all over Zep at the time. Now in our retro world, people look back and say 'Oh, how terrible they were.' But it's all been taken out of context now. Again, Zep still originally produced the majority of their music. The last time I was in a southern Delta blues club (quite awhile ago, btw), I don't recall the lone artist playing anything that resembled Kashmir.

Edited by SteveG - August 01 2014 at 15:48