The fathers of Prog Metal

Dean wrote: You are perhaps, I'm just taking the micturition

Also. I think a lot of us are doing some heavy peeing on one another on this forum.


I think we call call this discussion golden showers for Prog metal appreciators.

Dean wrote: progbethyname wrote: Dean wrote: You are perhaps, I'm just taking the micturition Na. Not anymore. I am quite tired. But. I would like to know what you thought of the new DT album and what Pain of Salvation album is at the top of your list? I never really could get into POS because of Gildenlow's voice, however the musicianship of the band is quite good. May I have your thicket please to into The Theater? Thicket has no sarcastic intent, it is merely another pun-name for a popular band that I like to play with, like Ironing Maiden, Metallicaca, Panteater, Megabreth, Sleigher, Jethro Toe, Marylion, Steve Hillside, Riversnide, My Drying Bride, Nine Inch Heels (not one of mine but I really like it), Squeezy and the Banshees, Took That, The Beatless, Injury and the Blockheads, Simply Dead, Emerson Fitti Paldi, Rick Wokeman, Van der Gruffalo Generator, Soft Mashing. I sometimes deliberately spell Dream Theather as Dream Theatre on purpose because it annoys some DT fans, other times the Safari browser's auto-correcting spellchecker does it for me because I have the UK dictionary invoked and I don't actually notice it's done it. I used Ticket once I believe, but didn't like it as much as Thicket.   I haven't heard anything of the new eponimous album, this is deliberate as I prefer to hear the whole thing in its entiriety on first listen in the comfort of my sitting room after I've purchased the CD, which I haven't done yet. I will do one day as I have bought every DT album for the past xxx years even though they do not impress me anywhere near as much as they did fifteen years ago. It's one of those bands that one day I'll just give up on.   PoS just connect with me in ways that teh techno-flash of Dream Thicket never can, it's not just the musicianship, its the emotion and clarity, it's the lyricism and the compositions. I have always prefered the extreme side of metal to the melodic and european metal to 'mercan metal, I was (and probably still am) a Goth at heart, so the doomier side of things will always appeal more than the screaming woe is me she broke my heart stuff. Opeth, In The Woods..., Katatonia, Green Carnation, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, Anathema, Pain of Salvation - it's a simple equation some of it Prog, some of it not.

Well for record, I still say Metalicaca is my favourite. The Beatless made me laugh as well. Also, I for one did switch to the English (U.K) keyboard as well instead of the American. You are right, it does auto-correct certain words that whcu we were speaking about.
As for European Metal. I do agree with what you said. It carries a far different flavour.
And, POS I'm sure I will revisit more in the future. I did hear some of Remedy Lane and thought it was fathering moving both musically and lyrically. It's got emotion for sure, but as I said Gildenlow's voice is something I just have to get used to. I will do some trail runs with that on the Ayreon album (101-011011) or something like that. Lol
Anyhow. I am goth at heart in most cases as well, especially envolving a more Doom Type sound to the overall Goth Flavouring of the music. Anathema's earlier works are definitely more intriguing to me cause I think that doom side to their sound/vocals works a bit better for me than the ultra emotional piece that is 'Weather Systems.' but, I will say that I did enjoy the emotionally laden Weather Systems. I saw Anathema perform most of that record on the 18th of sept this year in concert. Actually met a nice lady as well...go figure huh? ;)

Anyway. Get 5.1mix edition of the new DT album and enjoy it loud. Myung's bass playing is actually quite heightened with in that sound format. It's lovely. :) Hope you enjoy the album in your own mancave....if you have one. :)
Also. One last thing. DT almost lost me at one point with the releases of Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds and Silver linings. They were starting to scare me a little bit, but DT's last 2 releases have been a nice breath of fresh air.
All in all, I guess Portnoy really did have to go.

dr wu23 wrote: Dean wrote: You are perhaps, I'm just taking the micturition Mictur....what..?

What? You've never been peed on? Come on. What's wrong with you?   
Golden showers of metal. That's what this forum's name is now.
Enjoy. Peeing is believing.

progbethyname wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Dean wrote: You are perhaps, I'm just taking the micturition Mictur....what..?   What? You've never been peed on? Come on. What's wrong with you?    Golden showers of metal. That's what this forum's name is now. Enjoy. Peeing is believing.

Wrong idiom.

progbethyname wrote: Well I just used a joke around that idiom. I do know what the word means truthfully. I just having some fun...fun Dean...Fun!!! That is all.

Edited by Dean - October 01 2013 at 10:32

I mentioned Iron Maiden several pages back because they seem to embody all the points Dean originally raised. Personally I don't listen to any metal/prog metal except for Rush, and even then I only play a couple of their early ones like Farewell To Kings, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures.

Deep Purple, but before them was Led Zeppelin - had to be a huge influence on prog metal.

dr wu23 wrote: From the PA page on progressive metal: "The Origins: The heavy sound of some of the progressive rock bands of the 70's has been one of the building blocks on which progressive metal was raised. Progressive rock pioneers such as KING CRIMSON and RUSH have often been acclaimed as the main influences of progressive metal bands. The other major influence has been the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) movement, and especially the twin-guitar arrangements of IRON MAIDEN, which have left their stamp on the early stages of the genre's development."   Interestingly here on PA..... Zep, Sabbath, Queen, etc are listed as Prog related , Rush and Heep as heavy prog, and Deep Purple and The Who as proto prog. Of the 2 I listed there only Heep and Rush ever seemed like 'progressive rock'  to me though at times deep Purple had a proggy track now and then.

Edited by Svetonio - April 14 2014 at 01:56

rogerthat wrote: Sabbath is a bit confusing.  They became 'just' metal (rather than early/proto-metal) once Dio joined as the frontman.  They tried to go back to their 70s sound with Gillian but thereafter, the Tony Martin albums again stuck to 80s metal.   Sabbath, JP, Scorpions actually became heavier in the 80s (JP were already metal and just crossed over even more to the speed metal side of things) while DP and Rainbow mellowed down a bit.   I don't know much about UFO post Michael Schenker but I guess they too fell over to the hard rock side in the 80s rather than the proto metal of Lights Out?  Another thing about Sabbath is the 70s albums, especially Sabbath Bloody Sabbath/Sabotage were more prog-related while the full on metal albums of the 80s were much more straight up.   I tend to agree with Dean that Dio-Sabbath influenced power metal rather than prog metal.

I think you should listen to When it's Time to Rock from UFO's Making Contact album (1983).

UFO had huge influence on metal development

I have all their output from the debut to Misdemeanor plus Covenant and Sharks from the Schenker reunion years.

The Chapman era (1980 - 1983) is wonderful too even if he's no Micheal Schenker).

A terrific band to discover!

Music is always energetic, dynamic and melodic and the album Obsession from 1978 even features medieval tune and strong symphonic arrengements (as in Looking Out for N. 1).

And Pete Way is a great bassist.

another interesting (of the many) proggy number is The Writer from their Mechanix album (1982).

Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 29 2014 at 16:27