Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - SSOASS by Maiden
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedSSOASS by Maiden

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
Phidias View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: August 16 2013
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Direct Link To This Post Topic: SSOASS by Maiden
    Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:21
Is "Seventh son of a seventh son" a real prog album for you?
Back to Top
lazland View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 13719
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:37
Originally posted by Phidias Phidias wrote:

Is "Seventh son of a seventh son" a real prog album for you?

Yes. Next?
Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org

Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
Back to Top
NotAProghead View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Errors & Omissions Team

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: Russia
Status: Offline
Points: 7872
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:39
No.
Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Back to Top
Guldbamsen View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: January 22 2009
Location: Magic Theatre
Status: Offline
Points: 23104
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 07:44
Hmm I'd call it an experimental heavy metal album with loads of progressive touches, but prog? No not really, but this is all down to how each of us defines prog, and as time has shown on this board, there are just as many opinions on that as there are usersSmile
Great album though - perfect for lifting weights and dogs.

Oh and I moved this to the prog related forum.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams
Back to Top
Sagichim View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 29 2006
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 6632
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 08:13
Were they trying to make a prog metal album? I don't think so.
It has some of prog rock's features of course but a prog album? IMO No.
Back to Top
Metalmarsh89 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 15 2013
Location: Oregon, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2673
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 10:53
I don't think it was meant to be a 'prog album' persay, but Iron Maiden was influenced by many of the 70's prog bands from the very beginning, so there were bound to be similarities. They had always written some longer tracks on their albums up to this point, and they'd always written about historical and fantasy-related stories as well which are trends that continued on 'Seventh Son'. They were going for a concept album though, which is why I think many people make the connection with it being a prog album.
Want to play mafia? Visit here.
Back to Top
Phidias View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: August 16 2013
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 11:12
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Hmm I'd call it an experimental heavy metal album with loads of progressive touches, but prog? No not really, but this is all down to how each of us defines prog, and as time has shown on this board, there are just as many opinions on that as there are usersSmile

You're absolutely right! For myself, I think that SSOASS is a caricature of progrock: 
-many synthesizers
-the introduction restarted at the end
-ambient part etc 

Anyway, it's a great metal album! 

Back to Top
Phidias View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: August 16 2013
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 11:30
Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Were they trying to make a prog metal album? I don't think so.


Not definitely a "prog" album but a complex album! 



Edited by Phidias - February 01 2014 at 11:31
Back to Top
Phidias View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: August 16 2013
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2014 at 12:09
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I don't think it was meant to be a 'prog album' persay, but Iron Maiden was influenced by many of the 70's prog bands from the very beginning, so there were bound to be similarities. They had always written some longer tracks on their albums up to this point, and they'd always written about historical and fantasy-related stories as well which are trends that continued on 'Seventh Son'. They were going for a concept album though, which is why I think many people make the connection with it being a prog album.

Yes it's well know: Harris heard Foxtrot and Aqualung when he was young :) , and he has never hidden his attraction to progmusic. That is why  I suppose that he wanted to make a prog album!
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28368
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2014 at 09:23
Yes to the original question

their prog trilogy

Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
Somewhere in Time
Powerslave
Back to Top
Luis de Sousa View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 17 2008
Location: Wageningen
Status: Offline
Points: 160
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2014 at 02:22
This LP (and the 2 before) created a new genre of music on its own, that is today recognised as prog. The folk that answer "No" to this question are perhaps regarding exclusively the composition structure. If "prog" is taken also as the successful prompting of rock music forward then the answer might be different. The employment of guitar synthesisers and mellotron, the "concept album", the near absence of the verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus framework, were all against the trends of the time.

The only problem was that this formula proved successful; too successful for the prog powers that be to acknowledge it. By 1988 Iron Maiden was reaching a more mature audience that compounded with the usual teenage following. If in 1985 dressing an Eddie t-shirt was an act of rebellion, by 1988 even high school teachers would have their Eddie outfits. Some can't possibly conceive such success as prog.
Back to Top
Barbu View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 09 2005
Location: infinity
Status: Offline
Points: 30850
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2014 at 20:29
Yes, it is a Prog album and yes, it was intentional.
Back to Top
Tom Ozric View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15926
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:02
Maybe the title song only. Maiden will always be a superb Metal band - all their albums do have Progressively structured songs here and there. Choice band, for sure.
Back to Top
stonebeard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:21
I don't think it matters, but it is Iron Maiden's most consistent and best album, so yay for them for making it.
Back to Top
Metalmarsh89 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 15 2013
Location: Oregon, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2673
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 00:26
Originally posted by Luís de Sousa Luís de Sousa wrote:

This LP (and the 2 before) created a new genre of music on its own, that is today recognised as prog. The folk that answer "No" to this question are perhaps regarding exclusively the composition structure. If "prog" is taken also as the successful prompting of rock music forward then the answer might be different. The employment of guitar synthesisers and mellotron, the "concept album", the near absence of the verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus framework, were all against the trends of the time.


That would be more of a return to the style of the 70's as opposed to strictly bucking the current trends. But yes, by your statement it would be true that Seventh Son would be a progressive album. Iron Maiden took heavy metal to a new place. I would think that Seventh Son is just as 'prog' as Operation: Mindcrime.
Want to play mafia? Visit here.
Back to Top
Tom Ozric View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15926
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:36
'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know. Love D'anno, love Dickinson...... But the band truly created something spectacular with Bailey's 'X Factor'. It's gloomy, it's down-beat, it's hideously hated by many - however, this album is my ultimate FAVOURITE fromHarris and his buddies.....
Back to Top
ole-the-first View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 03 2012
Location: Russia
Status: Offline
Points: 1534
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:40
'Seventh Son...' is proggy. So rather yes, it's more of a prog than straightforward metal.
This night wounds time.
Back to Top
Luis de Sousa View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 17 2008
Location: Wageningen
Status: Offline
Points: 160
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 09:33
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know.


Agreed. Possibly the most rewarding LP from a strict prog-head point of view, though you have to be in for a depressing mood. I own all Maiden and this is the one I listen most to. The only thing SSOASS has that TXF doesn't have is the LP wide plot, its popularity comes more from the mysterious and exciting mood, that fit very well the 1980s.

TXF was an LP for the 1990s (released the same year Kurt Cobain died). But the traditional metal-head audience simply wasn't ready for it.
Back to Top
Tom Ozric View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15926
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 16:58
^ Yay !!   
Back to Top
aapatsos View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 11 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 9226
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 17:03
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

'The X Factor' is the most amazing, breath-taking album from Maiden I know. Love D'anno, love Dickinson...... But the band truly created something spectacular with Bailey's 'X Factor'. It's gloomy, it's down-beat, it's hideously hated by many - however, this album is my ultimate FAVOURITE fromHarris and his buddies.....

Shocked

Watch it, you might be banned for this LOL

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.156 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.