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Prog_Traveller 
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 Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:15 |
[Kindly back up your claims made on progressive ears website and on more musicians mentioning GG than Rush.]
Now your just putting words in my mouth. Then again that's not the first time you've done that. RUSH are one of my all time favorite bands. I love RUSH. Many prog fans don't consider them a prog band. Many do. I do. Some people don't consider PF prog either. Go figure. But the thing is several don't consider RUSH as part of the first wave even though they weren't around in the seventies(go figure). I think that's why they don't make a lot of big five lists. Many of the big five lists I've seen are based on personal favorites(not all). This is all my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What a concept.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:16 |
 Prog_Traveller wrote:
Still waiting for you to tell me why GG has six albums on here and ELP have only two.
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I have already explained it. If you do not like that explanation, it is not my problem. Besides, to repeat myself, it is irrelevant since you have already dismissed the opinion of this forum on GG. You don't get to pick and choose the parts you like.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:18 |
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No you didn't explain it. You were too busy trying to insult me and disrespect me and point out how you are right about everything and I'm wrong and not entitled to my opinion.If you did mention it it was weaved in between your condescension and insults and I didn't see it.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:22 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
[Kindly back up your claims made on progressive ears website and on more musicians mentioning GG than Rush.]
Now your just putting words in my mouth. Then again that's not the first time you've done that. RUSH are one of my all time favorite bands. I love RUSH. Many prog fans don't consider them a prog band. Many do. I do. Some people don't consider PF prog either. Go figure. But the thing is several don't consider RUSH as part of the first wave even though they weren't around in the seventies(go figure). I think that's why they don't make a lot of big five lists. Many of the big five lists I've seen are based on personal favorites(not all). This is all my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What a concept.
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I am very well aware of that. You claimed GG get more mentions than Rush which is patently not true. That fact that many people may not consider Rush prog (though I have met very few of those on PA or other forums!!) does not contradict the fact that way many more respect the talents of Lee and Peart and many guitarists also respect Lifeson.
And secondly, you did not say earlier what you have finally said now "Everyone is entitled to their opinion". You only repeatedly attempted to impose your opinions as facts. Now that you are pushed into a corner, you want to go the each his own way. It really shouldn't take that much effort for you to have to say that.
Once again, it was you who claimed GG make most of the big five lists on progressive ears and you used that to back up your argument that FACTUALLY GG are part of the big five. And when I say that a thread on progressive ears I am reading you doesn't indicate that, you turn around and say many of these lists are based on personal favourites. You make an argument and then you proceed to discredit it yourself when it doesn't suit you. This is pure rubbish. Are you remotely aware of what exactly you are talking about?
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:24 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
No you didn't explain it. You were too busy trying to insult me and disrespect me and point out how you are right about everything and I'm wrong and not entitled to my opinion.If you did mention it it was weaved in between your condescension and insults and I didn't see it.
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If you did not read it, that is not my problem. I never said you are wrong about everything. It is you who said earlier your opinion was a fact and shoved it down my throat. Here are your words again:
"ELP's popularity in hardcore prog circles is less than GG's. You just have to accept that fact."
You did not show ANY respect whatsoever for my opinions so your pleas that I insulted now fall on deaf ears. Kindly apologise for your above statement and take back your words and I shall take back any insults I levelled intentionally or unintentionally on you.
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richardh
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:25 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Still waiting for you to tell me why GG has six albums on here and ELP have only two.
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not that long ago ELP had all first four studio albums in the top 250. Things are moving very quickly. There are a number of new albums that start in the top 100 after about 100 ratings and then sink without trace once they get to about 300 plus ratings. Viljans Oga , English Electric Part One and Grace For Drowing are no longer in the top 100 which surprised me actually. Haken The Mountain will be the next one to slip away into obscurity. Do we care about this? Not really 
If you do a filter and only have albums with say 300 ratings then the outlook for ELP is much rosier. Keith Emerson will sleep a lot easier knowing that 
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:28 |
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[If you do not like that explanation, it is not my problem.]
I did see it. I agree with you actually believe it or not. ELP were and are a more popular prog band than GG. I was only wondering why GG didn't have more ratings on there albums. But then because you disagreed with me you had to turn this into a prog nuclear war and wage a full on assault on me and attack my opinions.
I still stand by what I said. I have seen just as many if not more mentionings of GG in the top five big five lists as ELP. Maybe we were looking at different lists I don't know. GG seem to me to have more of a cult following these days than ELP. This is my opinion. I repeat this is my opinion based on what I have witnessed and my past fifteen years on the internet looking up and researching prog. ELP are more well known over all but seemed to have lost respect among many hardcore prog fans but still get a lot of respect for their first five albums or so. I like both bands regardless. So to sum it up ELP are more popular even among prog fans(however, many of them are casual fans)but GG again imo seem to have more respect among the prog collectors and hardcore fans(other than just the casual fans). Again this is all my opinion. That's it. Now I'm done. Send me a pm if you want. But please have fun on here and enjoy the music. If I insulted you or anyone else on here I sincerely apologize. That was not my intent. Carry on.
Edited by Prog_Traveller - December 08 2013 at 02:29
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:29 |
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I am done too and sorry if I hurt you.
Edited by rogerthat - December 08 2013 at 02:30
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:32 |
OK. I like both ELP and GG. Both great bands and ultimately that's all that matters. Not really hurt. I suppose we both just got a little carried away. Us prog fans are a passionate bunch. 
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 02:39 |
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But the thing is several don't consider RUSH as part of the first wave even though they weren't around in the seventies(go figure).
Actually that was a typo. I know very well that Rush were around in the seventies.
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Prosvetlen
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Posted: December 08 2013 at 20:39 |
Hi all, this is my first post here--I am a looooong time progressive rock lover, and for some reason haven't even considered making my entry here. I am a progressive musician and composer as well.
On the subject: Gentle Giant is one of my all time and absolute favorites! I had a period in my life when I had to live only by myself and wandered a lot, and my only friends during this time was Gentle Giant. I have to say that this was a very precious time for me. I also remember in my youth, I recorded the radio release of Free Hand, on one of those God forsaken cassettes. I didn't know then who those guys were, I didn't know even the name of the album--I was six or seven grade then. So, some other stuff were recorded on top of Free Hand, and only one phrase was left out, the punchy repeat "that I'd change my mind". Years later I got back to that particular cassette and tried to find out what group and what album and what song that was. It took me years, decades, and I finally found it, when I bought Free Hand on a CD some 15 years ago. What a feeling! Greetings!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 09 2013 at 11:42 |
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Gentle Giant just wasn't as well known back when they were active and that hasn't changed since their demise. No big deal.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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richardh
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Posted: December 09 2013 at 17:14 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
[If you do not like that explanation, it is not my problem.]
I did see it. I agree with you actually believe it or not. ELP were and are a more popular prog band than GG. I was only wondering why GG didn't have more ratings on there albums. But then because you disagreed with me you had to turn this into a prog nuclear war and wage a full on assault on me and attack my opinions.
I still stand by what I said. I have seen just as many if not more mentionings of GG in the top five big five lists as ELP. Maybe we were looking at different lists I don't know. GG seem to me to have more of a cult following these days than ELP. This is my opinion. I repeat this is my opinion based on what I have witnessed and my past fifteen years on the internet looking up and researching prog. ELP are more well known over all but seemed to have lost respect among many hardcore prog fans but still get a lot of respect for their first five albums or so. I like both bands regardless. So to sum it up ELP are more popular even among prog fans(however, many of them are casual fans)but GG again imo seem to have more respect among the prog collectors and hardcore fans(other than just the casual fans). Again this is all my opinion. That's it. Now I'm done. Send me a pm if you want. But please have fun on here and enjoy the music. If I insulted you or anyone else on here I sincerely apologize. That was not my intent. Carry on.
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I have no problem with any of this at all.
ELP were actually a classic rock band and fair better if you think of them like that while GG were a small but brilliant classical ensemble. They both have progressive ideas but came at it from totally different directions. ELP were always thinking about the 'show' . GG were about the music and nothing else.
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richardh
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Posted: December 09 2013 at 17:16 |
Prosvetlen wrote:
Hi all, this is my first post here--I am a looooong time progressive rock lover, and for some reason haven't even considered making my entry here. I am a progressive musician and composer as well.
On the subject: Gentle Giant is one of my all time and absolute favorites! I had a period in my life when I had to live only by myself and wandered a lot, and my only friends during this time was Gentle Giant. I have to say that this was a very precious time for me. I also remember in my youth, I recorded the radio release of Free Hand, on one of those God forsaken cassettes. I didn't know then who those guys were, I didn't know even the name of the album--I was six or seven grade then. So, some other stuff were recorded on top of Free Hand, and only one phrase was left out, the punchy repeat "that I'd change my mind". Years later I got back to that particular cassette and tried to find out what group and what album and what song that was. It took me years, decades, and I finally found it, when I bought Free Hand on a CD some 15 years ago. What a feeling! Greetings! |
welcome!
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: December 10 2013 at 00:40 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Gentle Giant just wasn't as well known back when they were active and that hasn't changed since their demise. No big deal. |
I disagree but it depends on who we are comparing them to. Are they as well known as YES, Genesis or KC? No.
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Dean
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Posted: December 10 2013 at 01:17 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Gentle Giant just wasn't as well known back when they were active and that hasn't changed since their demise. No big deal. |
I disagree but it depends on who we are comparing them to. Are they as well known as YES, Genesis or KC? No.
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If we're going to list bands that GG were less well known as then it's going to take a while...
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What?
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 10 2013 at 01:22 |
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^ though I'd add that [signed] bands who were less well-known than GG would be a bigger list
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 10 2013 at 05:41 |
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Having said that, back in the day were in the top ten or twenty progressive rock band amongst my circle of prog loving friends back in the day. Certainly top ten for me.
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 10 2013 at 05:41
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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scruffydragon
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Posted: January 01 2014 at 06:46 |
I was a kid in the 70's and even when I rediscovered prog in the late 80's it still took another 5 years or so until I found Gentle Giant listed in a dealers list. This would of been somewhere in the mid 90's.They are also in my (personal)top 10 favorite bands today but according to several articles they pretty much went unnoticed in their own country during their hay-day. Such a pity as the band really did deserve many more people to take notice of them. To me they seemed to be a band that hovers just under the radar that only people interested in older music or loves progressive rock will ever encounter.
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GhostPony750
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 21:00 |
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One day, I was at the music store, searching for the Genesis album I was missing. Then, beside Genesis, I saw Gentle Giant.
Omg I was happy. I live in Canada, so I thought I'd need to import them, since only a few albums were released in America. But well, I have their first 4 albums, and Mister Class and quality became my favorite song of all time.
They slowly regain popularity, which is an awesome thing. But I guess they doesn't get enough credit yet.
Edited by GhostPony750 - January 04 2014 at 21:00
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Why not more ratings for Gentle Giant albums?