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the '80s bands like Iron Maiden/Metallica/Savatage/Queensryche/Fates Warning/etc are a good starting point for the 'Images & Words' school of prog metal, though.
And I'd argue that Iron Maiden are the fathers of the Euro-style of Power Metal....though that is an argument for another forum/website.
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verslibre wrote:
^^^1974/75? Weren't they a headliner by that time?
Perhaps....but they opened for Jeff Beck that night.
I saw BOC in '78 at a "Day on the Green" at Oakland and they were 3rd on the bill, ahead of AC/DC but behind Journey and Ted Nugent. AC/DC (with Bon Scott) and BOC completely blew away the headliners!
Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The orgins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
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Posted: September 03 2013 at 00:03
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Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.
Metal---Sabbath, Judas Priest, The Scorpions and Rainbow
Prog metal--Fates Warning, Queensr˙che and Iron Maiden. For the 90's it's Dream Theater all the way where by they re-tooled and gave a whole new meaning and standard to the prog metal genre in general.
The origins are really that simple, since the prog metal movement did start in America first. ;)
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.
Don't pay attention to the Metal list. It's a whole other category and the U.K have their stamp all over that. ;)
Prog Metal is Mainly Fates and Queensr˙che. Maiden (yes from the U.K) started playing a couple of years before both the ryche and Fates (1980) but Maiden's first 2 albums were not very prog at all. The albums with D'anno only had wisps of progressive tendancies. It wasn't till 1985's Somewhere in time where they truly captured more prog-related compositions. ;)
I'm serious about prog metal really originating in the States. No B.S
It's where the movement really began. Around 1982/1983 to be exact, but prog/metal really started to get its true character between 1984-1986. Big important albums are 1984's The Warning by Queensr˙che and Awaken the Guardian (1986) from FW. Those 2 albums are huge cement blocks in the prog/metal foundation.
What about Blue Oyster Cult? I think them and Uriah Heep are the precursor of prog-metal, but it can be my ignorance of the genre.
Blue Oyster Cult are typically known as 'classic Rock.'
Don't fear the Reaper is a good example of this. ;)
Uriah Heep I don't know much about, but I think they are kind of like early Rainbow, so they could have sparked the birth of 'Hard Rock' as Rainbow did. I'll have to look into that more deeply cause Uriah Heep have been around a very long time. ;)
Uriah Heep I don't know much about, but I think they are kind of like early Rainbow, so they could have sparked the birth of 'Hard Rock' as Rainbow did. I'll have to look into that more deeply cause Uriah Heep have been around a very long time. ;)
Salisbury is interesting from "prog point of view" by my meaning, but "father of Prog metal" is not expression, which I desire to use for Uriah Heep
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Posted: September 03 2013 at 09:00
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Awesome, nonetheless. Was Jeff still playing with Bogert/Appice, or Middleton/Chen/Bailey?
Beck was with the original Rough and Ready band ...Tench, Middleton, Powell, ....
it must have been around 72 or 73 when I saw them. I distinctly recall Tench on vocals...can't recall who was on bass, drums and keys.
I lose track of time in the old days.
I did a Google search and was unable to find BOC gigs for that time frame but Beck shows up for Chicago in 72
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It depends on what you mean by "fathers of". I wouldn't consider either of those two bands to be Prog Metal, therefore I wouldn't say either one was the "father of" the genre. Grandfathers, for sure. But not fathers.
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verslibre wrote:
... Not according to your lists. Iron Maiden were there before Fates Warning and Queensr˙che.
I'm not.
