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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 02:45
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

[QUOTE=someone_Who`s Next - The Who[/QUOTE




This is not proto-prog LOL
That one still to be proto prog sound although the album was released in 1971 from remains of never realized "Lifehouse" project, and although there's Pete Townshend's amazing synth work  as tribute to Terry Riley as well.  The highlights of the album, the songs as "Bargain",  "Song Is Over" and John Entwistle's "My Wife" are proto prog songs without a question.





Pete Townshend definitly pushed The Who (studio) sound into prog with Quadrophenia, 1973. After re-writing Tommy for the film, Mr Townshend loses the will to continue experimenting with The Who. The Who By Numbers , 1975, is made out of Townshend's songs chosen by Mr Daltrey and that album is great Adult Oriented Rock (AOR) album ; the last masterpiece of the original line up, Who Are You the album, is also awesome AOR. 
So, regarding The Who catalogue, there are three proto prog albums (Tommy, LAL, Who's Next) and one prog album (Quad) + Tommy the film music what is 100% progressive rock too.


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Originally posted by stegor stegor wrote:

Eeew - carbuncles..?



Yes, blighted, festering carbuncles on the backs of barnacles.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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He meant to say "barnacles" but ended up doing an Archie Bunker.
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Eeew - carbuncles..?
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Dan, being young is no excuse . Especially when we are talking about your own country.
 
Look into Denmark '69-'72 and you will find you have lots to be proud of there:
Ache
TP Smoke
Freed
Alrune Rod
Day of Phoenix
Iron Duke
Hair
Blues Addicts
Thor's hammer
Blast Furnace
Maxwells
 
etc
 
I think your in for some great discoverie
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Points: 13097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 20:51
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
 
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
Wink


Well, there are certainly prog elements amidst the detritus of psychedelia. Maybe we can call it psych-proto-prog and conduct a letter writing campaign to get it put on Mr. Knobby's pretentious list.
No, we cannot call it psych-proto-prog" - think before you post, please Confused


I did think before I posted, thanks. And I can damn well call it proto-primal-psycho-psilocybinated-prog if I wish.

But I was being entirely facetious, reflecting the inanity which, sadly, has accreted on this thread like carbuncles on the side of a listing ship.
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Revolver was the spark, but Sgt. Pepper was the fire that kept prog burning...the sky was the limit...everything was allowed/possible.

It's hard to overstate the importance of Sgt Peppers and the effect it had on the popular musical landscape.  It changed the rules forever and ushered in the experimentation that later defined our beloved prog Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

Shame on you,earlyprog-guy.
 
 
Denmark & Belgium were hotbeds of the protoprog of my (and others) defining.
 
You would think that yourself being Danish would know better. If you really know the rock  '69-'72s lps of your country then you would be familiar with the "sound" of which I speak. And you would side with me.
 
but yet you do not.
Afmittenltly, I do not know of the rock '69+' of my country (Denmark) (I''m too young?). ´¨I''m, reaching out a hand to you because I feel you´ve got someting to add to this site - I'm not an emenyWink)
 
 
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Nice, thoughtful cover though.
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Who`s Next - The Who[/QUOTE
This is not proto-prog LOL
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Shame on you,earlyprog-guy.
 
 
Denmark & Belgium were hotbeds of the protoprog of my (and others) defining.
 
You would think that yourself being Danish would know better. If you really know the rock  '69-'72s lps of your country then you would be familiar with the "sound" of which I speak. And you would side with me.
 
but yet you do not.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

This must be the 5th time I be reiterating this in this thread alone: PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO-PROG IS NOT A GENRE!
 
What...just what is THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?


Proto Prog is maybe my favorite genre on the site,

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Why is this LOL?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:40
Unhappy Not enough people have Indo-Prog/Ragu Rock as their favourite genre.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Imagine all the cheap bin-end stock rare and valuable albums record dealers could shift to gullible punters discerning collectors if that was more popular but still slightly obscure.


Edited by Dean - June 25 2013 at 18:40
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:37
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Proto-Prog is the reason why i created a profile here in the first place.
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:30
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

This must be the 5th time I be reiterating this in this thread alone: PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO-PROG IS NOT A GENRE!
 
What...just what is THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?


Proto Prog is maybe my favorite genre on the site,
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:20
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
 
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
Wink


Well, there are certainly prog elements amidst the detritus of psychedelia. Maybe we can call it psych-proto-prog and conduct a letter writing campaign to get it put on Mr. Knobby's pretentious list.
No, we cannot call it psych-proto-prog" - think before you post, please Confused

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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:11
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

[Here it's a place we put bands that weren't quite Prog (by some undefined subjective measure that no one can articulate but they know it when they hear it), bands that didn't quite fit comfortably in the main database but we felt deserved a mention
 
 
 
I have nothing against this.
 
All I'm saying is re-name the entire section, taking out the word "proto".
 
Call it    "Bands That Weren't Quite Prog But... and Prog-Related Lounge".
 
Call it    "Rudimentary-Prog and Prog-related..."
 
Please.

Friggin labels.....WTF?

Proto works just fine
"Proto" works fine, but "WTF" works...well...not so fine - to my ears. Give our opponent a chance, please Angry
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 18:05
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
 
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
Wink


Well, there are certainly prog elements amidst the detritus of psychedelia. Maybe we can call it psych-proto-prog and conduct a letter writing campaign to get it put on Mr. Knobby's pretentious list.
Oh, come on, show some LOVE FGS!
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:58
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well ...the PA 'guys' consider The Moody Blues and Procol to be crossover/prog rock and not proto prog per se....but those are certainly 2 early bands with an early prog sound...and I might have chose In Search Of The Lost Chord which we played the crap out of also in college.


I don't go by PA's bewildering categories. the question regarded favorite proto-prog albums, and I consider The Moodys and Procol proto-prog, as in prog-like sensibilities before such sensibilities were defined, cast in stone and given arcane designations that only Dean can explain to me. LOL

But please, let us move on. This runaway train has been derailed enough.

How's about HP Lovecraft's first album:



or their second album, for that matter:



 
Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
 
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
Wink
Oh, come on, why do every newcomer has to be bashed? feeling threated?
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Points: 2134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:50
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

"multi-tagging", "pidgeonholing","categories and classifications."
 
You two gentlemen have not had the decency to READ my words. I am not asking for a protoprog cubby AT ALL on this forum, like you deem it I am.
 
I repeat: protoprog is just a dealer term to link certain bands to a distinguishable sound. It is NOT A GENRE which need coverage or pidgeonholing here.
 
Sheesh!  How many more times I gotta pound this in your heads. You just do not want to listen. You want to argue.
 
 
 
I call raging bigotry against the Masterman!
You should do the right thing and give  a Masterman's words the regard they  necessitate.
 
Have an open mind.
 
Not  "tl;dr".
 
 
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And its not "psychE-pop", it is "popsike"!!
 
Proto Prog is not a genre here, nor is it a stylistic category and I don't have a dealer or much interest in them to worry about what they call things. Here it's a place we put bands that weren't quite Prog (by some undefined subjective measure that no one can articulate but they know it when they hear it), bands that didn't quite fit comfortably in the main database but we felt deserved a mention for, well, being there at the beginning I guess and for influencing those who would later produce Progressive Rock albums in the two or three years following their release. We unofficially have a cut-off date of 1969, purely arbitrarily of course and completely meaningless, but you've got to draw a line somewhere and there is as good as any,even if we do break that unofficial cut-off when we feel like it. Many of the bands at that time who also made albums that pedants would call proto-prog went on to be part of the Progressive Rock scene and make albums that are called Progressive Rock albums (somewhere, not necessarily just here), which is why we list those bands in different subgenres or categories or pigeonholes (as I said, if you fret over that too much then, umm, there are better things to fret over). At worse you'd call them transitional, but that would be unfair and inaccurate (Love Sculpture or The Beatles were never transitional, but they were never Prog or Proto-Prog either; The Parlour Band were transitional, they just didn't transition into Prog that's all, they became A Band Called "O" instead).
 
If we've purloined a terminology that you feel applies to something completely different, then such is life, the world will end shortly and everything will be fine after that.
 
 
Odd though, I don't recall abrieviating psychedelic (pop) to psych-with-an-E pop but thanks for the tip, but that does sound like a dealer term to me. [edit: ah, I see I that did in a different post, my error, I stand corrected]
 
Another great posting Dean Clap very telling, thanks
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