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Posted: June 23 2013 at 17:26
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1967)
What an eclectic and spiritual record - the 'folkified' psych R&B of "Goin' Back", the surreal backing vocals and Gene Clark's crude metre in "Get To You", Moog drones in "Space Odyssey", jazz in "Natural Harmony" and "Tribal Gathering" (the latter with early acid rock riffs), the softly pulsating drone of "Draft Morning" - and a set of tremendously good bonus tracks. Every track is utterly sophisticated, no genre is omitted in this eclectic mixture which only lasts mere 29 minutes. A shame that this groundbreaking band isn't permitted entry to the Progarchives.
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Posted: June 23 2013 at 18:19
Einsetumadur wrote:
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1967)
What an eclectic and spiritual record - the 'folkified' psych R&B of "Goin' Back", the surreal backing vocals and Gene Clark's crude metre in "Get To You", Moog drones in "Space Odyssey", jazz in "Natural Harmony" and "Tribal Gathering" (the latter with early acid rock riffs), the softly pulsating drone of "Draft Morning" - and a set of tremendously good bonus tracks. Every track is utterly sophisticated, no genre is omitted in this eclectic mixture which only lasts mere 29 minutes. A shame that this groundbreaking band isn't permitted entry to the Progarchives.
Good call. Speaking of the Byrds, I always considered Eight Miles High (1966) to be one of the first proto-prog classics. My favourite cover version was released in 1984 by Husker Du. I think it captures the essence of the song and kicks it up a few notches
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 04:17
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Good call. Speaking of the
Byrds, I always considered Eight Miles High (1966) to be one of the
first proto-prog classics. My favourite cover version was released in
1984 by Husker Du. I think it captures the essence of the song and
kicks it up a few notches
A
really good cover of a perfect song, yes. My favorite version however
is the RCA Demo by The Byrds from 1965, the one with the heavy lead guitars
and smashing Hillman bass lines.
Another proto-prog recommendation: Golden Earring's Eight Miles High album with a side-long jam on "Eight Miles High". One of the few proto-prog records which have a pretty distinct taste, and not too many Tull or Deep Purple copies.
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 17:37
This thread gets ever more ridiculous with each passing day.
What next? Someone declares Pawn Hearts, Nursery Cryme, Fragile, Meddle, Islands, Aqualung, Tarkus, Acquiring The Taste, The Land Of Grey & Pink, Dance Of The Lemmings, Tago Mago and In Search Of Space as Proto Prog?
Proto
Etymology
From Ancient Greekπρωτο-(prōto-), combining form of πρῶτος(prōtos,“first”), superlative of πρό(pro,“before”).
Proto Prog is no more "The Sound" (ie a musical style) than it is "A Genre" (ie a musical style).
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 19:21
Proto was first coined IN REFERENCE TO ROCK by record dealers as being a certain sound. This was long before any other connotations were made. The initial specific meaning stays.
A PROG MASTERMAN has declared it so.
(And I am not the only Masterman to do so either.)
You wans to go literal on me arris Dean, then you must be one of those who take Krautrock as meaning rock made in Germany and not what it was - once again, specifically , made to describe origionally.
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Posted: June 24 2013 at 20:39
Knobby wrote:
Proto was first coined IN REFERENCE TO ROCK by record dealers as being a certain sound. This was long before any other connotations were made. The initial specific meaning stays.
A PROG MASTERMAN has declared it so.
(And I am not the only Masterman to do so either.)
You wans to go literal on me arris Dean, then you must be one of those who take Krautrock as meaning rock made in Germany and not what it was - once again, specifically , made to describe origionally.
I concur with Dean. By 1971, there was no such thing as "proto-prog". The very idea is absurd. Tull releases Aqualung and records Thick as a Brick in 1971, King Crimson already released 3 albums and releases Islands by year's end, both The Yes Album and Fragile are out in 1971, Soft Machine are on their 4th album, ELP has released 2 albums. "progressive rock" has neared or reached its crest as far as a popular music genre. By mere definition, you can't be "proto" after the fact, Jack.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 03:38
Knobby wrote:
Jesus!
Are these apes Im trying to reason with here?
In the evolutionary hierarchy of primates, apes find monkeys amusing, and then they eat them - at present we find you amusing.
So let's dispense with childish playground taunting and name-calling.
Knobby wrote:
You wans to go literal on me arris Dean, then you must be one of those who take Krautrock as meaning rock made in Germany and not what it was - once again, specifically , made to describe origionally.
Krautrock is a flag of (in)convenience, it is not "a sound" or style, there are no musical similarities within the bands that get tagged "Krautrock", even when that is narrowed down (as some do) to regional geographies such as Köln, Berlin or München. It is simply convenient to lump a Japanese or Turkish band that sounds like some a priori classified band from Germany together in the same remainder-bin at a record collector's fayre. Unlike many here, (including yourself it would seem), I'm a purist, I don't believe that later bands that sounded like Caravan should be called Canterbury, later bands that sound like Can should not be called Krautrock, and bands that make music like Henry Cow should not be called RIO if they were not part of the RIO movement ... because none of those "classifications" or "sub-genres" are musicological names for identifiable and describable musical styles, they are simply what we call them... So bands that made music that sounded like Proto Prog after there was a genre called Prog should not be called Proto Prog... and that's nothing to do with going all literal on your arse. But as I say, I'm a purist.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 05:29
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 05:51
Svetonio wrote:
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 06:16
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 06:23
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 06:27
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.
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Einsetumadur wrote:
My favorite version however
is the RCA Demo by The Byrds from 1965, the one with the heavy lead guitars
and smashing Hillman bass lines.
