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Raccoon 
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 Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:16 |
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Completely agree!! The entire album flows unlike many other 80's albums. Genesis nailed it even towards their poppy-phase. Perfect balance between pop and prog. Not sure if Heathaze is my favorite song on the album, but it's one of them!! |
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:23 |
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I'm not wrong, am I, that `Duke' is a concept album? I always assumed it was about a relationship falling apart between two people, the backdrop being the music industry, etc??
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lazland
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:20 |
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No, it is not a concept album, as you mean it, but, rather, an album of linked themes, many of them arising from the martial difficulties of Collins.
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Icarium
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:37 |
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from Wiki
Duke was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert." Edited by aginor - February 14 2013 at 02:38 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:53 |
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Perhaps, poor Phil, he dearly loved his wife at the time. This came at the same time that Frida's (Abba) marriage was falling apart with her partner (one of the dudes, the piano player of Abba - Benny - I can't remember...) - anyway, this culminated in Phil's collaboration of sorts with Frida for her hit album 'Something's Going On' (as I've mentioned earlier, with fellow musicians Daryl Stuermer, Peter Robinson, Mo Foster and others) - a selection of songs written by certain peoples (eg : Bryan Ferry, Rod Argent, Russ Ballard, PhilCo etc.). A very decent 'pop' album, nicely executed for the most part. Anyway, I'm currently up to Heathaze - and I'm really moved. Ripping bass from Mike, Tony's piano (CP70) has such an ethereal tone to it. But most of all, a fantastic track. I did buy my LP sometime in 1988 (jeez, don't I repeat myself (when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress....)) but I am totally blown out currently with it. I also just gave Yesshows a spin (which I haven't done for many, many years). Equally impressed here. Am I just getting old ???
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:04 |
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I think it's usual to go back much later and rediscover something that had almost become background music/wallpaper...you're so used to not paying attention when it's playing, that once you've given it some distance and then actually listen to it closely again, it can change your whole perception of the album!
Happened to me not long ago with not only `Abacab', but the second Crimson album `Wake....' (and now that I'm heading in that direction, `The Wake' by IQ too! 
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:26 |
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Chris S
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 05:08 |
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Ahhh....Yesshows for the vinyl cover alone, beautiful album too! Heathaze is a great song, often maligned for Bank's lyrics but I like it a lot. A softer similarity to another side one closer Mad Man Moon
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M27Barney
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 06:26 |
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was the album about Collin's mrs having it off with the painter and decorator - thats another good point of DIY surely!!!!
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:03 |
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I've always thought 'More Fool Me' sticks out like a sore thumb on SEBTP... if any song should have been an early warning of Collins's proclivities in the lyric department, it's that one.
[edit] Now someone's going to tell me it was written by Gabriel, aren't they...? Edited by Jim Garten - February 14 2013 at 07:03 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:18 |
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^The song was written by Rutherford and Collins, but I do believe the lyrics were primarily Mike's.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Gerinski
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:18 |
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Maybe Turn It On Again does not intuitively fit but we have seen suites with much stronger variations in mood and nuance, it all depends on how cleverly they could make the transitions. Personally I think that it could have made for an historical top-notch suite.
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lazland
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:07 |
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That was my understanding, and it was primarily used as a vehicle to give Gabriel a rest from elaborate costume changing escapades on stage.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:11 |
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^I have always loved All Fool Me, which is unusual for me. I always preferred rockier numbers.
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Kirillov
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:43 |
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I recall Tony Banks in an interview saying that Turn It On Again started out as a 'throwaway section' between two other pieces, which suggests that they had a suite in mind when they wrote it.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:48 |
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^it is a well established fact that they originally had a continuos suite in mind. They even played it as one piece live.
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The Doctor
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 09:00 |
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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour. And yes, they played it as one continuous suite. That's a great concert btw. It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert).
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Chris S
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 16:48 |
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And a beautiful song too and another side one closer
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 23:00 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 14 2013 at 23:07 |
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Tom Ozric wrote:
I thought I was the only one. 
. It's no Yessongs, but it certainly is a valuable live collection of essential Yes. Oh how I wish for some live stuff from the Drama period. The Buggles team brought such a fresh, new sound to Yes. And I enjoy both Buggles albums as well.