Genesis - Duke
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Topic: Genesis - Duke
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Subject: Genesis - Duke
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 20:59
| Just wondering, did Tony Banks still have his Hammond T102 organ on Duke ?? I'd swear I can hear it (esp. on Dukes' Travels') but I thought he mothballed it after ATTWT ??? |
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 22:09
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Apparently Abacab is the first album where he doesn't use any organs.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 11 2013 at 00:54
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zravkapt wrote:Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 11 2013 at 02:41
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According to this site he still used the Hammond on Duke http://genesislive.ning.com/group/equipment/forum/topics/1982628:Topic:36382" rel="nofollow - http://genesislive.ning.com/group/equipment/forum/topics/1982628:Topic:36382
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 11 2013 at 03:58
| That's an informative list - many thanks. Looks sweet to me. I just love that Hammond sound of his - Duke is such a perfect 'transition' album from them - I've had my LP since 1987, still neat and shmicko, I've always liked it but all of a sudden it has totally blown me out. Abacab, not as exciting. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 01:27
| 80% of Duke is brilliant but those soft ballads were beginning to creep more into the mix. I do like Misunderstanding though which is my favourite Genesis pop song (That's All a close second) |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:27
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I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part. But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner".  |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:32
Harbouring, have you seen doco on Phil's `Face Value' solo album (at least I think this is where I saw it) where he's performing `Please Don't Ask' alone at the piano in the studio, and he breaks down half way?? 
Pretty moving stuff, and I always think of that when I hear that track. Anyone who's gone through a pretty horrible split (let me just raise my hand right now!  ) can relate pretty well to that lyric, in my opinion.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:46
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:51
Heathaze is a fantastic track with very tasteful bass from Mike.
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 03:20
Tom, I was thinking of you when I mentioned that bit about the doco lol! 
`Heathhaze' has very evocative lyrics and quite a somber melody, it's a wonderful track on a terrific album. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:00
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I do think "Heathaze" is great, but Tony deserves a smack on the end back of his head for ending the first line of the chorus with the word "whereas". It sounds really clumsy.
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:08
Great, Harbouring, never noticed that before, but I'll notice it everytime now! 
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:22
You're welcome. I take great pleasure in ruining songs for other people. 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 07:59
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Some great highs on Duke, and some lows too. I find Misunderstanding to be bland to the point of pointlessness. Alone Tonight has some nice monets but it's basically a pretty unremarkable effort. Please Don't ask is a nicely crafted song, but it's just not really what I want to hear on a Genesis album. Phil should have probably saved it for a solo album, especially as it was such a personal lyric.
But overall I think Duke was their last great album as a prog rock band. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 14:49
| Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ?? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:03
I'm glad you asked the question not so much because I want to compare the two tracks but i would rather compare the ballads on the respective albums. The ballads on ATTWT (except Follow You Follow Me) seem a lot more powerful and intense. I love Snowbound ,Say Its Allright Joe and Many Too Many (slap me
) but the songs as discussed on Duke just don't cut it for me. I have persevered but they just seem a bit lame but admittedly I can't relate emotionally to the lyrics at all. |
Posted By: ShipOfFools
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:08
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Duke was really the last straightforward "prog" Genesis album. After Duke, they did make songs that had progressive tendencies, but they never made an actual album that would be considered prog rock. ------------- 
"Better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace" - Buddha |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:37
No you are not mate  , Huge Collins fan here too, especially up to Dance Into The Light------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:09
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Collins' first solo album, 'Face Value' is a killer. Most tracks are crafted to perfection IMHO.
I'm just really hung-up on DUKE at hte moment, like I never was before. I have always enjoyed it, but it has taken me a quarter of a century to really really appreciate it.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:16
Back to DUKE though, Duke's Travels is up there with their best - platinum Prog this track. I must tweek my original 3 star review of DUKE up to a well deserved 4.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:10
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^ And give the Mama album a relisten ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:15
First side Mama/self-titled album - 
Second side Mama/self-titled album - 
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:23
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:26
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:50
| Unfortunately the second side has some of the absolute worst dross the trio Genesis ever laid down in the studio! |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:57
That's true enough, sadly. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 08:57
Yes, I think there are some. Similar tempo and structure; soft verses that bridge into a 'big' spacious chorus with a 'big' Collins drum fill etc.. It was part of a Genesis ballad formula at the time. You can hear it in 'Say it's alright Joe' and 'Many too many' and 'Undertow' All good songs imo, but the ballads on the albums after ATTWT leave me a little cold. There was something, shall we say 'warmer' about the soft songs on ATTWT. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:01
Agreed. The first side is an incredible piece of music IMO. The second side is absolutely terrible. I think some aliens (illegal?) kidnapped Genesis after they recorded the first side, replaced them with duplicates and proceeded to record the second side of the album. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:10
Yes, Doctor, the first side is so strong!! The dark vile `Mama', the upbeat but enjoyable `That's All' (I've actually sung this at karaoke many years ago, and totally got everyone clapping along lol!  ) and the proggy `Home By The Sea'.
Side two....man that `Alien' song is unbearable, and the accent bits make it even worse....the Detective song (forget the name, the one that goes `I got a name, I got a number, I'm coming down hard on you' etc ) is rubbish too. I forget the more ballady tracks, so I think I might dig it out for a fresh spin, haven't listen to it in quite a while! Wish me luck! :) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:11
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^I don't think it's that bad personally. Side 1 is better though I agree ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:17
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The last two songs have a bit of redeeming value: Silver Rainbow's music isn't all that bad, but the lyrics are rubbish, Tony's worst IMO. Dude, you're in your early 30's, did you really just write a song about losing your virginity? The last song is ok, but that's about it. It's ok. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:18
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^I like Illegal Alien so side 2 gets off to a good start for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:31
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Doctor, I seem to recall I've got a bootleg somewhere where the band played `It's Gonna Get Better' live with an extended ambient synth intro that was really rather good. Tom Ozric on here could confirm this or not, as I think we heard it together many years ago?
Snow, I promise I'll go in with no preconceived hang-ups about the self-titled album and listen with open ears! I remember I used to dread `Abacab', nowadays I find it a hugely inventive, original and varied album I have a lot of love for!
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:38
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The synth intro is pretty cool. An extended one would be kind of neat. I have a lot of Genesis boots, so it's possible I've even heard that one before. I seem to vaguely remember a 7 minute version of the song. I think one of the problems with side 2 is that it is such a let down after side 1. Nothing on side 2 matches up to any of the three songs on side 1. But as good as side 1 is (my favorite album side of 3-man Genesis btw), they would have had a hard time replicating that on side 2. I love Abacab. Although a lot of people saw it as them selling out, I thought it was a very experimental album for them. And I thought for the most part the experiment succeeded. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:49
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Yes! You know, I picked up a cheap copy of the remastered `Abacab' CD in a local music shop and gave it to a prog friend of mine who has a few scattered Genesis albums. When he asked what did it sound like, I essentially had to say it was something like `experimental, new wave, funk, reggae prog/pop'! :)
Even a more obvious `single' track like `No Reply At All' has terrific (and mixed LOUD) bass playing. Plenty of great stuff on that album! What a band! :) |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 13:40
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Really pleasing to be in a thread appreciating their Duke++++ albums. Also on the whole the enjoyment of their 'popoular' period. Abacab, Mama, Duke all great albums. Some of us grew with the band as it evolved and love almost every minute of it , others left around ATTWT and never came back save to diss their modern stuff on forums like PA
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 13:46
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:03
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:22
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Duke, to me, is my favorite album from this period. ATTWT was a weird album by a band that could'nt decide if they could make the transition from prog to mainstream pop, or if they decided, it was not assumed. On Duke, not only was the change assumed, it was successful. Abacab has a few great songs and a few clunkers, Genesis is a classic, Invisible Touch has a lot of amazing pop songs on it, We Can't Dance contains THE BEST Genesis songs ever since Hackett left (Fading Lights and Driving the Last Spike) and great pop numbers (No Son of Mine, I Can't Dance, etc...)
As I have previously said, many times, they should probably have changed their name from Genesis to Rutherford Banks Collins when Hackett left, that way they would have antagonized a lot less old fans I believe. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:38
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^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:42
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^Agreed. Otherwise, why only when Hackett left? Why not when Gabriel left? Or Phillips? Or Chris Stewart? A change in personnel doesn't usually bring about a name change in the band, especially when the leaving member wasn't even an original member of the band. Genesis existed prior to Hackett, why not after Hackett? If Yes followed that logic, just about every album they ever did would be by a different band.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:46
...and I do like Calling all Stations also ! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:48
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Don't get me wrong though, I love the pop period !!! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:14
No I know you like the pop period and respect but your comment above is plain wrong..IMHO :-) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:18
  ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:50
Nice exchange, but I have to agree with Chris and others. It was Genesis. On your argument, one wonders just how many names Crimson would have had!  I will say, though, that it really is refreshing to see a cogent argument from someone who does not run down the post Gabriel and Hackett period. It makes a nice change. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:09
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Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:11
 I thought I was the only one. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:18
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 18:35
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It's silly to dismiss good pop. It's a rarity these days anyways. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 21:53
| Great album, I enjoy it more than ATTWT. Guide Vocal has to be one of the best mini-songs out there. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:30
Apart from the Cheezy Mexicali accent, this 'Illegal Alien' novelty fares alright with me. 'Just a Job To Do' ............ really ????
 Side 1 is QUALITY Genesis for the time. Mostly still, at least, Prog orientated.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:44
When I was younger - around 1985, my family and I embarked on a journey to Bali, which extended over the years to many of the other exotic islands Indonesia has to offer (Java, Lombok, Sumatra, Borneo, Sulawesi etc.) - to cut a long story short, I was only into Split Enz and The Beach Boys at the time. I loved the 'We don't need no education' song by some 'mainstream' band. I bought The Wall on cassette (in Bali - cheap as chips....) - it knocked my 13 year old head off its block. Following year, I bought up a series of tapes of Pink Floyd, volumes 1 - 10. I fell in love with Piper, Saucerful etc. My sister bought Genesis' volumes 14 & a15 (S/T and Invisible Touch). I was curious, gave them both a listen and was thoroughly impressed with the S/T album, but not so much I.T. Then I visited the local 2nd-hand record shop - I selected A Trick Of The Tail -.........................................my obsession began.
Here I am, more than a quarter century later, and still appreciating more and more some things I assumed were only mediocre................hence, my newly found fascination with DUKE. I think the album is a direct link between impressively creative Prog of the 70's, into a more accessible proto 'Neo' Prog styling. Although subsequant albums featured only glimpses of Prog, they still have much value. For me, the weakest is still Invisible Touch, and that's perhaps because of the multi-platinum amount of radio songs that were (and still) thrashed out over the airwaves.
.............and so it can be said that I'm on a bit of a Genesis bender at the moment.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:50
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Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:51
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:55
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:57
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I think I had a varied intro to Genesis - other than hearing `Nursery Cryme' as my first ever prog-rock album - thanks to the very same Tom Ozric here now! - I next picked up a bundle of second-hand Genesis CD's, which were `Wind and Wuthering', `Duke' and `We Can't Dance', so I kind of feel right from the start I was exposed to the many different eras of Genesis, I was open to all of them, and it's stayed that way ever since!
Genesis is known as one of the most special progressive rock bands of all time for a reason, and I always respected that each album of theirs (whether I totally loved them or not) always sounded completely different to the last - constantly evolving, changing, progressing! I certainly don't outright discredit the 80's stuff onwards. Anyway, I'm rambling, but you get the point!
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:05
) Thanks to you, I am enjoying Spock's and Transatlantic and Kurki, Arabs In Aspic, Beardfish and many, many other modern stars too....... (credit where credit's due)
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:08
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Oh, it's all good, my friend, a nice mix of the old with the new....and I'm listening to your old favourite (perhaps literally!) `Space Shanty' at work right now! :)
Now, my ultimate test will be if I can convince you to get that Luccassen solo album I keep banging on about!
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:16
Completely agree!! The entire album flows unlike many other 80's albums. Genesis nailed it even towards their poppy-phase. Perfect balance between pop and prog. Not sure if Heathaze is my favorite song on the album, but it's one of them!! ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:23
I'm not wrong, am I, that `Duke' is a concept album? I always assumed it was about a relationship falling apart between two people, the backdrop being the music industry, etc?? 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:20
No, it is not a concept album, as you mean it, but, rather, an album of linked themes, many of them arising from the martial difficulties of Collins. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:37
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from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duke_%28song%29&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow - Duke was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert." -------------
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 02:53
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Perhaps, poor Phil, he dearly loved his wife at the time. This came at the same time that Frida's (Abba) marriage was falling apart with her partner (one of the dudes, the piano player of Abba - Benny - I can't remember...) - anyway, this culminated in Phil's collaboration of sorts with Frida for her hit album 'Something's Going On' (as I've mentioned earlier, with fellow musicians Daryl Stuermer, Peter Robinson, Mo Foster and others) - a selection of songs written by certain peoples (eg : Bryan Ferry, Rod Argent, Russ Ballard, PhilCo etc.). A very decent 'pop' album, nicely executed for the most part. Anyway, I'm currently up to Heathaze - and I'm really moved. Ripping bass from Mike, Tony's piano (CP70) has such an ethereal tone to it. But most of all, a fantastic track. I did buy my LP sometime in 1988 (jeez, don't I repeat myself (when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress....)) but I am totally blown out currently with it. I also just gave Yesshows a spin (which I haven't done for many, many years). Equally impressed here. Am I just getting old ???
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:04
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I think it's usual to go back much later and rediscover something that had almost become background music/wallpaper...you're so used to not paying attention when it's playing, that once you've given it some distance and then actually listen to it closely again, it can change your whole perception of the album!
Happened to me not long ago with not only `Abacab', but the second Crimson album `Wake....' (and now that I'm heading in that direction, `The Wake' by IQ too!
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:26
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 05:08
Ahhh....Yesshows for the vinyl cover alone, beautiful album too! Heathaze is a great song, often maligned for Bank's lyrics but I like it a lot. A softer similarity to another side one closer Mad Man Moon ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 06:26
was the album about Collin's mrs having it off with the painter and decorator - thats another good point of DIY surely!!!! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:03
I've always thought 'More Fool Me' sticks out like a sore thumb on SEBTP... if any song should have been an early warning of Collins's proclivities in the lyric department, it's that one.
[edit] Now someone's going to tell me it was written by Gabriel, aren't they...? ------------- 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:18
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^The song was written by Rutherford and Collins, but I do believe the lyrics were primarily Mike's.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 07:18
Maybe Turn It On Again does not intuitively fit but we have seen suites with much stronger variations in mood and nuance, it all depends on how cleverly they could make the transitions. Personally I think that it could have made for an historical top-notch suite.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:07
That was my understanding, and it was primarily used as a vehicle to give Gabriel a rest from elaborate costume changing escapades on stage. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:11
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^I have always loved All Fool Me, which is unusual for me. I always preferred rockier numbers. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:43
| I recall Tony Banks in an interview saying that Turn It On Again started out as a 'throwaway section' between two other pieces, which suggests that they had a suite in mind when they wrote it. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:48
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^it is a well established fact that they originally had a continuos suite in mind. They even played it as one piece live. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 09:00
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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour. And yes, they played it as one continuous suite. That's a great concert btw. It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 16:48
And a beautiful song too and another side one closer ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 23:00
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 23:07
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 01:52
yep I've got that. I think it was the Lyceum gig which was also recorded by the BBC for Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show at the time. Superb gig.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 07:57
Is that the show on the DVD that came with the last re-issue of Duke? Good selection of songs, but the sound was shocking. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 09:09
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^If so, it's not the full show. Granted I haven't watched the Duke DVD in quite awhile, but the show I have is almost 2 1/2 hours long. I don't remember that on the DVD. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 18:24
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 18:35
No, i still can't see it being prog besides Duke's Travels having some more intricate rhythms. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 15 2013 at 18:41
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 16 2013 at 02:56
Ah yes, it's not easy being a drummer on Mars.
I don't see it as prog either, but I like it and that's what matters. One or two pages back people were complaining about side 2 of the Mama album, in particular "Just a Job to Do". This rather surprised me. I think it's funny, memorable, energetic and certainly not too far removed from songs like "Robbery, Assault & Battery" and "No Reply at All". I mean, I can understand it if people have a disdain for stuff like "Illegal Alien" or even "Misunderstanding", but "Just a Job to Do" strikes me as a pretty Genesis-y song. What's wrong with it? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 16 2013 at 07:45
think so but as already mentioned not the full concert . I do have a bootleg DVD of the full concert and also a seperate CD of the gig. The CD was likely taken from the BBC recording (not sure of its origins) and is very good. The DVD has very poor sound quality and was probably the source for the Duke bonus DVD. Apparently its technically very difficult to marry a decent picture source with a decent sound source. ELP had this with the California Jam 1974 gig which was the holy grail for ELP fans ( but it was sorted eventually).
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