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Dayvenkirq 
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 Posted: January 22 2013 at 14:18 |
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^ I was thinking about voting for "The Crunge" yesterday for its 9/8 time, the tricky rhythm, and the funk flavor, though after that I thought they might have done more progressive things.
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Posted: January 22 2013 at 14:53 |
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Achilles Last Stand nails it - but on the list Kashmir gets a vote
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Posted: January 22 2013 at 15:20 |
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ha! You made me throw on a Led Zeppelin Remasters CD - I havent heard these guys for ages - they are amazing thats for sure! Listenign to Trampled Under Foot now and next is Nobodys Fault but mine and then the mighty Achilles!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 02:25 |
 SyrinxTemple wrote:
How in the world is Achilles Last Stand not on this list? |
Exactly.........
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 06:05 |
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Well the absence of the song caused an uproar here didnt it? the fact is Achilles Last Stand definitely wins it even tho it aint on the list. I heard it again today a few times and I cant get it outta my skull now "ahaha! ahaha!ahaha! ahaha! ahaha! ahaha! ahaha! ahaha!ohhhoooooooohooooooohooohohohooooo! ohhhoooooooohooooooohooohohohooooo"Sheer brilliance really.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 10:06 |
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What I don't understand is why so many people are voting for "Achilles" when this band did far more progressive things like "Kashmir" (a long track in 3/4 (6/4) featuring the Mellotron and the flanger effect).
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 23 2013 at 10:06
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:18 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
What I don't understand is why so many people are voting for "Achilles" when this band did far more progressive things like "Kashmir" (a long track in 3/4 (6/4) featuring the Mellotron and the flanger effect). |
Achilles Last Stand just varies a little more than Kashmir and that riff is kind of annoying in my opinion too repetitive. Is it in 3/4 or 6/4???. Personally Page's playing on that song is my favorite playing of his I don't like Led Zeppelin that much
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:22 |
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^ Maybe you are concerned with repetition, but I'm just concerned with texture in general - the instrumentation and diversity in musical ideas. What about "Stairway", people? How is it less progressive than "Achilles"?
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:24 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Maybe you are concerned with repetition, but I'm just concerned with texture in general - the instrumentation and diversity in musical ideas. What about "Stairway", people? How is it less progressive than "Achilles"? |
Have you heard Achilles Last Stand, Andrey???Listen to it compare it with Kashmir and then come back
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 14:27 |
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^ Here goes the "have you heard it" again. What makes you think I haven't? Because if I haven't, I wouldn't be discussing this, right? Trust me, man, I've heard "Achilles" a number of times.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:34 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Here goes the "have you heard it" again. What makes you think I haven't? Because if I haven't, I wouldn't be discussing this, right? Trust me, man, I've heard "Achilles" a number of times. |
That song goes through so many different passages and it changes up on you and it is definitely textured although not with Mellotrons like Kashmir
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:39 |
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^ It only has about four-or-so passages that sound very similar to each other. And that goes on for ten minutes. That's not "many" in my book; that sounds to me as if they've run out of ideas for the track.
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:49 |
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No Quarter.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:50 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ It only has about four-or-so passages that sound very similar to each other. And that goes on for ten minutes. That's not "many" in my book; that sounds to me as if they've run out of ideas for the track. |
No it doesn't it and they don't sound similar to each other has about seven or so for a 10 minute song, I think you to give it another listen how about that bassline does Kashmir have anything like that?Achilles Last Stand is not an easy song to play on guitar at least for me(cuz I kinda suck but I'm getting there) Why do you think people are voting for it then??  I don't know what song you are listening to?? There's riff 1 1a,2a 2b,3, 4a 4b, 4c 4d, 5a 5b 5c 5d, 6a, 7a 7b 7c 7d you get my point
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 23 2013 at 22:50
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:54 |
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^ First of all, I don't understand your nomenclature. Second of all, all of these musical ideas sound very similar to me. It's like as if I was listening to the same "section" for ten minutes. For all I know, you can't convince me otherwise.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:57 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ First of all, I don't understand your nomenclature. Second of all, all of these musical ideas sound very similar to me. It's like as if I was listening to the same "section" for ten minutes. For all I know, you can't convince me otherwise. |
I'm not trying to and I could say the same for Kashmir
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 22:59 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ First of all, I don't understand your nomenclature. Second of all, all of these musical ideas sound very similar to me. It's like as if I was listening to the same "section" for ten minutes. For all I know, you can't convince me otherwise. |
My nomenclature says that there many different riffages through out that song it's definitely more than four
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“War is peace.
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 23:00 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ First of all, I don't understand your nomenclature. Second of all, all of these musical ideas sound very similar to me. It's like as if I was listening to the same "section" for ten minutes. For all I know, you can't convince me otherwise. |
I'm not trying to and I could say the same for Kashmir |
So would I. I just listed a few pros in favor of "Kashmir".
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 23:12 |
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 23 2013 at 23:13 |
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^ I just did.
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