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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 14:51
To me, the lyrics are what make Transatlantic my number one favourite band Tongue And they match so nicely with the moods of the parts.. Duel With the Devil, for example has some of my favourite lyrics ever. And there's still pretty much room for interpretation. Most atheist lyrics don't bother me, and I don't see why they really should.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 18:55
My opinion about Neal Morse's lyrics has changed a tad since I posted in this thread two years ago.  I'm still perfectly happy with the Christian themes (being a believer myself), but the more I listen to them, the more it seems to me that they're just not very good, regardless of what they're about.
 
I dunno.  I still love TA, and Neal Morse, but they don't impress me nearly as much as they once did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 19:07
Don't care about the lyrics, the music is great. I prefer the lyrics to be christian themed rather than satanic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 21:13
Originally posted by prog4evr prog4evr wrote:

Originally posted by miketheorganist miketheorganist wrote:

What amazes me is that atheist prog fans get so offended by lyrics about God. What makes this any worse than any other topic? Why not just assign it to the realm of fantasy? You know, like, "What if there WERE such a being?" I mean, we can wonder about UFOs, ghosts, conspiracy theories, 2012, and have incomprehensible lyrics aplenty, but mention God and it's in the dumpster with it?  I mean, if I can manage to listen to a fasntasy story about a lamb lying down on broadway, with slippermen, hairless hearts, etc., why can't you listen to fantasy story about a supreme being who loves people?
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I'm not the sort of atheist who takes offense to religious lyrics, but I think there is a slight distinction between fantasy-based lyrics and the lyrics that somebody like Neal Morse writes (keeping in mind, however, that I am one of the biggest NM fanboys you'll ever meet Tongue).

The difference is this... I doubt any of the people writing about Lord of the Rings-styled fantasy believe that Tolkien's writings are actually true and provide a believable worldview. People writing about Christianity often believe it as not only truth, but also as an accurate worldview. When you think this particular ideology is utter nonsense, it can be more difficult to overcome than lyrics that are intentionally nonsensical.

That's my opinion, at least. Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 05:06
Some of the gangster rap has the most repellant and obnoxious philosophy of life you can come across being pushed on the listener, but
a) You listen to stuff sometimes for a vibe, for an effect, sometimes that vibe is down and dirty and cartoonish and anti-social.
b) Whether the artist meant it or not, you can take it as a role/character they're playing for effect, rather than a representation of their world view.
 
For example, Carrie Underwood's Jesus Take The Wheel has one of the most shocking and irresponsible lyrical messages you're likely to find in a pop song. Yet I don't mind it because sonically it's fairly well constructed. Does Underwood actually think that in times of crisis we should abandon action and just hope things work out? Does she actually recommend that struggling mothers in traffic accidents with sleeping children in the back seat shouldn't even try to do anything but throw their hands up in the air and hope ghosts or other invisible life forms descend from the sky to rectify the situation? Probably not. But she was playing a character to appeal to a demographic who find the notion that in times of crisis, it's all up to Jesus, reassuring. I'm not part of that demographic but it wasn't news to me that it exists and is large enough to market product to, no reason to get upset about it.
 
Here's a good song with a Christian lyrics that I find kinda badass, about a woman whose abusive ex-partner comes back to her saying he's reformed and has found Jesus. Here's the chorus, but you might like to skip to the video and hear it for yourself:
 
"You say I should stay with you
That Jesus forgives you
You pray I will, but I won't
The difference is, Jesus loves you, I don't"

Ouch, I wince every time.
 
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