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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:52
hmmm Ok its finally sinking in. Attack has many meanings and one common usage is for inflammatory or derogatory speech.  I think we can clarify by saying you want to hear who we think our countries greatest military foe is. is that about right?  Honestly our greatest foes are always the politicians and philosophers who incite minds against us. The men of action never mean as much in the grand scheme.

 I'm no war buff so I have no great insights here. I'm sure there's many names and many subtleties I won't know about. When I think of such things However I always think of Rommel. He was really kicking our asses in the desert until we broke his supply line and ran his war engine out of fuel. I think with a steady supply he would have out maneuvered us in that theatre of war.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 21:02
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


The premise is boring and not very interesting in the USA's case. Military discussions are ho-hum. Leading a military attack against the USA or aiding the enemy in war time? Good luck with that. Undermining the moral fabric of the society from the inside? Far more destructive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 21:06
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


The premise is boring and not very interesting in the USA's case. Military discussions are ho-hum. Leading a military attack against the USA or aiding the enemy in war time? Good luck with that. Undermining the moral fabric of the society from the inside? Far more destructive.


We discuss the latter all the time. 

Notice for the last damn time I didn't say the attack had to be against the US.  It could be against a US army somewhere else.

Please read carefully, or else YOU may be the greatest enemy we have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 21:40
Stupidity and ignorance are greater enemies than any person or group.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 21:52
Probably the Iroquois War Chiefs who attacked us during the French and Indian Wars and Pontiac's rebellion, causing terror in the colonies.

That is just a smart ass answer. I would actually say the most deadly enemy of the Untied States was Khrushchev in 1963. He wasn't really, but in terms of perception and power to make that perception count.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 22:22
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

This article inspired me to open this historical thread:

What individual person- not group nor country- was your nation's greatest foe?  Your choice can come from any time period since your nation was established, but that individual must have engaged your country personally and militarily in some manner.


I think we can all agree that there were and are internal people whose actions we detest, but I am asking about a militaristic force, not a philosophical or political one.  We can have those discussions in the political or Libertarian threads, I think.  I wanted this to be a more historical topic.
 
 
I gave historical names.  I suppose I reject the premise:
 
"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged against provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad." - James Madison
 
 You're looking for enemies in the wrong place.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 22:28
Probably some president. I'm not sure which one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 23:17
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Probably some president. I'm not sure which one.
 
 
You may, at least partially, agree with my list from the page before.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2012 at 23:38
America's greatest living foe is probably Roger Ailes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 00:25
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Stupidity and ignorance are greater enemies than any person or group.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 00:50
Vidkun Quisling, he sold his country to the invading German army, to become the primeminister, (he only become a puppet for the stationed German officer Josef Terboven
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 01:20
Mel Gibson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 03:00
yeah he have said some shocking things recently Pinch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 03:56
By the standards you ask Rob....I don't know?
We're pretty lucky in that regard.

I guess the British Generals from the Revolution.


How about Benedict Arnold? Maybe not quite right but can you think of something more historically reviled in America?
His name = traitor so that's a pretty big foe


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 04:07
William the Conquerer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 04:09
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

William the Conquerer


Ah now that's a good one!
Yeah that seems like, historically and in terms of the grand scale, a better answer than George Washington.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 04:14
The French had been at war with ALL its neighbours (including the Swiss!), but if we're talking about attackers...
 - the Vikings, which pillaged and ravaged the whole West coast before claiming and taking the Normandy;
 
- the Saracens, which pillaged the South coast, but were courteous enough not to claim or take a region;

 - the English... From the Middle Age to the 19th, from the Plantagenets to Queen Victoria, there had been countless battles, wars, colonial competitions... Joan of Arc, the Seven Years War, the Fachoda incident... We could make a whole library just with these issues!

 - Bismarck and Kaiser Willhem the First. And I know what I'm talking about: I have some Alsatians ancestors who fleed from their native region just to remain French citizens.
Then, Willhem the Second, who thought he could match his father and his Prime minister (but no one could match Bismarck).
Then, Adolf Hitler - but he had been the enemy of half Europe (Poland, Yugoslavia, Russia, Netherlands, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, etc...)

 - Mickey Mouse. f**k this rodent, the pinguin from Zig and Puce was much more cuter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 04:23
For the UK, it's hard to say.

Maybe..

Oswald Mosely
Margarat Thatcher
Adolf Hitler (and the members of our royal family who admired and supported him)


Maybe Simon Cowell. Who knows? There sure are a lot of arseholes out there, who for one reason or another have wanted to turn our nation to souless mush.




Edited by Blacksword - April 16 2012 at 04:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2012 at 04:57
I really wasn't kidding about Roger Ailes. Do people here know who he is? He has done some serious f**king damage to America over the years.
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