2011 NCAA Football Thread

What I do know is we play a big game against Nebraska this week and I hope we win out to the end.
And no one better give us a lick of controversy about it because that football team is innocent and has nothing to do with any of this.

Yea I just read/heard the boards speech......What a complete travesty for JoeP. For the board to immediately go after him and make him the burden of all this is beyond uncomprehensible.

I think there are going to be many more firings before this is all finished. I wish the football program continued success: they will need those profits to settle the lawsuits that are going to start any day now. I heard a report today that Sandusky was pimping out his "kids" to wealthy Penn State boosters. If there is any truth to this, or if it's even half true, Penn State will be a football backwater for several decades. 

I hate to be rude, but if JoePa knew or even suspected that 10 year old boys were being buggered in the showers of his facility (and it was his facility, make no mistake), by a pederast on his staff, there is a moral responsibility. The same goes for a grad asst. on the staff, though he undoubtedly realized ruffling of feathers would be the end of his career aspirations in which case he probably would be better employed as a "security" guard at some warehouse. Cannon fodder.

Edited by jammun - November 10 2011 at 17:49

jammun wrote: I hate to be rude, but if JoePa knew or even suspected that 10 year old boys were being buggered in the showers of his facility (and it was his facility, make no mistake), by a pederast on his staff, there is a moral responsibility. The same goes for a grad asst. on the staff, though he undoubtedly realized ruffling of feathers would be the end of his career aspirations in which case he probably would be better employed as a "security" guard at some warehouse. Cannon fodder. My friends, this story is not going to disappear. Reporters, maybe especially sports reporters, are like sharks, and when they smell blood is in the water they will attack viciously, just because. There is the question now of why that D.A. disappeared those years ago. Everything becomes a sinister sign, whether it is or not. Penn State athletics is anathema now, cursed. This sh*t will likely drag through the courts for years; I'm not sure the boosters can fix it now, not in the short term. Of course, there will be some parents who are practical.  Mama needs a new Escalade, bend over and take it like a man. That I even think such a scenario should be a sign of the corruption, insulation, and foulness that is big-time college football. I'm sure if I knew the half of it I'd puke, but I have a weak gag reflex. It's too bad a bunch of drunken cretins chose to riot, as well. The entire institution-- for that's what Penn State is -- is being called into question (Catholic Church, anyone?).  It ain't stopping anytime soon. If it kills him, so what? There are many murderers, thieves, drunkards, and various swine with regrets who could have obviated those regrets, by just a small amount of action. He's just another.

First, why all Joe? Like so many others you barely even mention the others! He reported what he was told and you know he was misinformed. McQueary saw the rape, yet Joe reported "inappropriate behavior" and you know no one wants to mess with JoePa. He was lied to.

No one disagrees about the moral obligation.
I mean my fellow Penn State brethren are being a little silly (and some have been outright horrifying with their attitude) but when it settles they will see what I've said (as well as almost EVERYONE I've heard). He should have done more. And he should have. I 100% believe Joe did not do enough.

But also, this is what no one wants to hear, he did what 9 out of 10 would do. EVERYONE says he should've done more, and he should have but most people would follow his exact course of action. That's wrong and shouldn't be the case, but if you say otherwise you are f**king stupid. We know what we people are like....

And no, the entire institution is not being called into question and shouldn't be. Whenever it's come up I've heard (NON PSUers) say the educational aspect, the students, etc should not be tainted. To quote one radio personality "anyone who went, is going or will should feel no shame, this has nothing to do with you and does not reflect the school"

Of course it won't disappear genius (sorry but cmon) we all know that. They need to now follow the legal actions. And McQueary is STILL here. He 1000% needs to go. Joe reported what he was told, not enough but McQueary SAW it. He saw it, and never told police. Him and his father then told Joe, his FATHER never told the police.......
The scandal will be big, here are my thoughts:
-Caught in 98, 99 was his last year, retires...to the surprise of many. Obviously told we'll cover your ass and you gotta go.
-No proof, but I think its common sense the board of trustees (at least some) knew about it.
-Sandusky's "charity" needs to be investigated. People there must have known, and other pedos must have been around.
-The missing DA is a very sinister, but plausible, tangent that needs to be looked into.

I think I was fair, but your tone is as sickening as some of the sharks. Remember who actually did the crime, who covered it up, and who was looking to protect themselves. JoePa f**ked up. He f**ked up. He didnt act and many innocent kids suffered, BUT he did more than anyone else and any one of them acting right would've stopped it all.
Yet no one cares. JOE MUST DIE JOE MUST GO JOE IS SATAN. Sandusky who? Mckweery whos that??

Sorry gents, things have been nutty...

I will end it with this: http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-firing-penn-state-attorney-general-concern/story?id=14925158  Please read, I think it makes a valid point at least, and wish more people could realize all this doesn't quite add up right....
I hate to say such things but the Board of Trustees are powerful, wealthy people with connections. Gricar's vanishing I pray is being looked into.




Edited by JJLehto - November 11 2011 at 02:38

^ Well there in lies the problem....I totally agree with MasterMofo. As a teacher he did what he should have done...period. Was it all he should have done? That's not for us to judge because then we are morally judging him and there are no laws/guidelines for that.

I kind of wonder how much more there is to this story and the cover up.  If I heard things correctly, Sandusky was told that he would not be Paterno's replacement and he therefore "unexpectedly retired", but this occurred 2 years before the incident in the showers that has caused all of this uproar.  I am curious if this "unexpected retirement" had anything to do with pre-existing knowledge that hasn't come to light yet.

manofmystery wrote:   Inconsistent?  I've been arguing for fairness for Boise State for years.

Straw man harder.

manofmystery wrote:   Do you really think putting clearly defenseless teams like Oklahoma State and Sanford ahead of Boise State is fair?  If this all about your love for defense (which it clearly isn't) then surely you'll decry Oklahoma State and Sanford as title contenders.

I spend plenty of time hating on the Cowboys. I think Stanford is overrated, but I've watched very few of their games, so I really can't much judge. I didn't say Boise was bad; I said that a good defense makes ALL offenses look bad. LSU is 20th in scoring offense despite playing 5 top-30 defenses (including Bama's top-ranked defense, which gives up, on average, one touchdown per game and absolutely nothing more). Bama's situation is pretty similar -- they lost to LSU's 2nd-ranked defense.

JJLehto wrote: Disgusting crime to humanity is what Sandusky did, the school covered it up which is not only horrifying but by saving their ass then NOW we are tainted, a huge shakedown is coming as well as inevitable lawsuits, and a hit in recruiting. Not to mention a shameful end to JoePa's legacy. It's a f**kin mess and weird I've never felt pride for many things, especially a school, but I am deeply saddened by all this as a Penn Stater.

The sad part of it, really, is that the Board probably knew. They always disliked JoePa, and it was their opportunity to get rid of him. If I were a Penn State student, I'd be protesting day in and day out to oust the entire board. Clean house on the f**kers, especially because they're covering their asses in this way.

Well McQueary has been placed on "administrative leave". I think that is probably polite-speak for "you are history'.