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CDs were sent out to kill vinyl LPs, but it didn't completely work out that way.
As long as vinyl LPs are on the market there will be CDs. Everyone stop panicking.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 23:32
I must admit I am thoroughly enjoying that Alcest ...De Lune album. That sucker will rip you a new a****le in spite of the spotty production. Well we complain about this all the time, eh? . All courtesy download from iTunes. I have no idea whether or not I "own" it. As long as it plays, I'm good. If it doesn't, someday the gummiest decides the cloud ain't legal, well then we may have to get out the guns. I would  hope it never comes to that,
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I can't wait for the day when something happens, and people lose their digital music collections, and I'll be on the other side of the proverbial room, laughing away as I take out one of my CDs and throw them on... Of course, they'll just get it all back by torrenting it all.

On the topic of movies and such, one reason Blu-rays and DVDs might not disappear as fast as CDs is that one movie usually takes up a lot more space on a computer than a song or album. Like 3 times as much space. Also, I think a downloaded movie's picture quality is not as good as actually getting a Blu-ray (which, I must say, is prestine quality).

Can you download movies? Sorry if I'm being ignorant.
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I really think the only confirmed dinosaurs in the media world these days are 8-tracks, reel to reel, VHS, Betamax...
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ya know, it's funny. I sometimes refer to stuff as being "somewhere down in the basement", my basement being where no longer used technology ends up. I need to clean it out, lest people think I'm some kind of sketchy hoarder. I'm not a hoarder, I'm just lazy. In any case, there's my Teac reel-to-reel down there (heads are shot), not to mention the Tascam 4-track recorder. Not to mention 1200 baud modems and even a few 56k ones. And the VHS player. And old computers. It's a veritable tech museum. I would hate to think my CD player would be down there some day, though of course it will end up there eventually.
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You don't have a basement there, what you have is an electronics graveyard.  I know from experience.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I can't wait for the day when something happens, and people lose their digital music collections, and I'll be on the other side of the proverbial room, laughing away as I take out one of my CDs and throw them on...


Of course, if the electrical grid completely collapses, all bets are off.
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Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I can't wait for the day when something happens, and people lose their digital music collections, and I'll be on the other side of the proverbial room, laughing away as I take out one of my CDs and throw them on...


Of course, if the electrical grid completely collapses, all bets are off.




Well, it can't be the loss of ALL power, then I can't play my CDs. (I don't have a walkman anymore.)
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Points: 10185 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 11:02
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

maybe this what the Mayans were worried about 



That's a CD right there.
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Points: 65603 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2011 at 23:14
 ^ That's all I'm saying
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2011 at 05:57
Nice picture disc. Which band is it?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2011 at 06:04
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I can't wait for the day when something happens, and people lose their digital music collections, and I'll be on the other side of the proverbial room, laughing away as I take out one of my CDs and throw them on... Of course, they'll just get it all back by torrenting it all.
My digital collection is backed up on my computer, my backup external hard drive, and my iPod. It's probably far safer than my CDs at this point - to the extent that I digitise my CDs just in case they're ever lost rather than keeping my CDs in case my digital copies are ever lost.

Quote On the topic of movies and such, one reason Blu-rays and DVDs might not disappear as fast as CDs is that one movie usually takes up a lot more space on a computer than a song or album. Like 3 times as much space. Also, I think a downloaded movie's picture quality is not as good as actually getting a Blu-ray (which, I must say, is prestine quality).

Can you download movies? Sorry if I'm being ignorant.
DVD-quality stuff you can download, but obviously unless you have a pretty good connection it'll take a while. Blu-Rays obviously take longer so it's less convenient.

Then again, the video/movie industry has an advantage in that people are willing to rent movies temporarily whereas people have always preferred to own albums outright, so they've been able to offer streaming movie rentals at a very reasonable price (via NetFlix/XBox Live etc. - and the advantage they have is that for most people getting a movie that way is more convenient than the hassle of downloading it. Plus they're offering a heap of sweet extras on Blu-Rays these days that downloads would struggle to compete with.

Some of the big studios are even releasing so-called "triple play" packs, where you get a Blu-Ray of the film, plus a DVD (which you could then happily lend to anyone who doesn't have a blu-ray player, or use yourself until you get around to converting to Blu-Ray), and a digital copy you can load onto any device you like, all for the price of a standard Blu-Ray. They've by and large realised that they create more goodwill - and thus make people more inclined to pay money - if they work with their cuatomers rather than against them.
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I'll probably cease to actually buy any music whatsoever if there is no physical medium offered. I just don't feel right paying 10-15$ for a download.
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In a weird way I'm not bothered. I'm an LP album cover fanatic, and with the emergence of the CD all that went down the drain. So if it had been theoretically possible at the time, they could have already turned to download exclusively when the LP went the way of the dodo, for all I care.

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Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I can't wait for the day when something happens, and people lose their digital music collections, and I'll be on the other side of the proverbial room, laughing away as I take out one of my CDs and throw them on... Of course, they'll just get it all back by torrenting it all.
My digital collection is backed up on my computer, my backup external hard drive, and my iPod. It's probably far safer than my CDs at this point - to the extent that I digitise my CDs just in case they're ever lost rather than keeping my CDs in case my digital copies are ever lost.

Quote On the topic of movies and such, one reason Blu-rays and DVDs might not disappear as fast as CDs is that one movie usually takes up a lot more space on a computer than a song or album. Like 3 times as much space. Also, I think a downloaded movie's picture quality is not as good as actually getting a Blu-ray (which, I must say, is prestine quality).

Can you download movies? Sorry if I'm being ignorant.
DVD-quality stuff you can download, but obviously unless you have a pretty good connection it'll take a while. Blu-Rays obviously take longer so it's less convenient.

Then again, the video/movie industry has an advantage in that people are willing to rent movies temporarily whereas people have always preferred to own albums outright, so they've been able to offer streaming movie rentals at a very reasonable price (via NetFlix/XBox Live etc. - and the advantage they have is that for most people getting a movie that way is more convenient than the hassle of downloading it. Plus they're offering a heap of sweet extras on Blu-Rays these days that downloads would struggle to compete with.

Some of the big studios are even releasing so-called "triple play" packs, where you get a Blu-Ray of the film, plus a DVD (which you could then happily lend to anyone who doesn't have a blu-ray player, or use yourself until you get around to converting to Blu-Ray), and a digital copy you can load onto any device you like, all for the price of a standard Blu-Ray. They've by and large realised that they create more goodwill - and thus make people more inclined to pay money - if they work with their cuatomers rather than against them.
Working for redbox it becomes pretty obvious that people are still interested in dvds and blu rays even if just as rentals, they arent going  anywhere
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Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Some of the big studios are even releasing so-called "triple play" packs, where you get a Blu-Ray of the film, plus a DVD (which you could then happily lend to anyone who doesn't have a blu-ray player, or use yourself until you get around to converting to Blu-Ray), and a digital copy you can load onto any device you like, all for the price of a standard Blu-Ray. They've by and large realised that they create more goodwill - and thus make people more inclined to pay money - if they work with their cuatomers rather than against them.
This--  you listening industry ??
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Some of the big studios are even releasing so-called "triple play" packs, where you get a Blu-Ray of the film, plus a DVD (which you could then happily lend to anyone who doesn't have a blu-ray player, or use yourself until you get around to converting to Blu-Ray), and a digital copy you can load onto any device you like, all for the price of a standard Blu-Ray. They've by and large realised that they create more goodwill - and thus make people more inclined to pay money - if they work with their cuatomers rather than against them.
This--  you listening industry ??


'scuse me for being a cynic here, but isn't this backdoor selling of Blu-ray discs to encourage more people to adopt the format?
 
Sony sell the Playstation 3 for less than it costs to make because of the Blu-ray compatible transport, the most likely reason why they did this was to get blu-ray players into more homes by the backdoor. Sony caught a crab with Betamax and they had no intention of doing that again with CD and DVD, hence the deal with Philips and buying up media producers in the 80s (eg Columbia and CBS).
 
So this is just another tactic to ensure they don't lose the HD optical media war IMO.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Some of the big studios are even releasing so-called "triple play" packs, where you get a Blu-Ray of the film, plus a DVD (which you could then happily lend to anyone who doesn't have a blu-ray player, or use yourself until you get around to converting to Blu-Ray), and a digital copy you can load onto any device you like, all for the price of a standard Blu-Ray. They've by and large realised that they create more goodwill - and thus make people more inclined to pay money - if they work with their cuatomers rather than against them.
This--  you listening industry ??


'scuse me for being a cynic here, but isn't this backdoor selling of Blu-ray discs to encourage more people to adopt the format?
 
Sony sell the Playstation 3 for less than it costs to make because of the Blu-ray compatible transport, the most likely reason why they did this was to get blu-ray players into more homes by the backdoor. Sony caught a crab with Betamax and they had no intention of doing that again with CD and DVD, hence the deal with Philips and buying up media producers in the 80s (eg Columbia and CBS).
 
So this is just another tactic to ensure they don't lose the HD optical media war IMO.
I forgot Sony was in on the whole bleu-ray thing.  Revenge of the Betamax I guess.  Betamax's ultimate downfall against VHS was that it couldn't hold longer movies in a single cassette. 

Anyway, this thread need some Jen for those who missed this:
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And a little research confirms I'm not having thread deja voodoo:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64142&KW=end+of&PN=1


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 08 2011 at 14:18
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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I don't see the issue anywhere with this CD thing. You can still buy blank cassette tape, reel-reel tape and VHS tapes. The big record companies may be looking at digital downloads but I doubt it will be the only media they are involved in. CD's are here to stay, the music companies don't make them, some media storage company will still make blank CD's.
And there will always be small indie labels issuing CD albums just like they are doing now with vinyl....Its their niche. Sony and the like are only looking at how to capture the mass media market via the internet, its quick and easy money for them....specifically the pop, hip hop and country music scene. Seems to me all other genres do not fit this profile. Although I do believe the online music subscription service will only grow.....The ability to download music on the fly whether at home, work, airport, park, beach is what makes it so attractive versus having to get in your car, bus, bike and go to a music store and purposefully browse for music for 2 hours and only to find that what you are looking for is not physically available.
 
You all know I love vinyl and I will sit and dig thru countless bins looking for those gems and jewels....but I also will sit at home in my PJs and download music without batting an eye.
 
You can still find parts for a '64 VW Bug or a '57 Chevy.......why on earth would the CD go away after about 35yrs....
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