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    Posted: November 07 2011 at 16:02
Genesis, Yes, ELP, and Gentle Giant had their heads up their arses according to the Jethro Tull frontman...
 
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Ah Ian, you cheerful chap - and this from the man responsible for the lyrics in Aqualung Wink 
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I love the way he whispered. LOL
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Not the first time he's made those kinds of comments. He seems to cling to the fact that TAAB was a "spoof" concept album (and often conveniently forgets A Passion Play in the process) as some kind of proof that JT were never a "real" prog band. It's not the concepts that made it prog, Ian, it's the way you wrote, arranged and played the tunes! The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Not surprised. As far as I recall, he never cared for the prog banner is any way shape or form.
 
Shame being he is quite good at it.
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Originally posted by The Hemulen The Hemulen wrote:

Not the first time he's made those kinds of comments. He seems to cling to the fact that TAAB was a "spoof" concept album (and often conveniently forgets A Passion Play in the process) as some kind of proof that JT were never a "real" prog band. It's not the concepts that made it prog, Ian, it's the way you wrote, arranged and played the tunes! The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 
Yeah, he's actually full of sh*t. Think about TAAB and when it came out in '71. Prog had not really gotten into the full blown excesses that it would be criticized for yet. It's more likely (as others on a different forum have pointed out) that if TAAB was indeed a "spoof" (uh huh... right), it was probably taking potshots at something like Tommy.
 
Look at the prog heavies circa '71. Genesis released Nursery Cryme but I doubt IA was very familiar with it as that album made little to no impact in Britain at the time (and even if he was, there's nothing conceptual or bombastic on NC). Van der Graaf Generator were more popular than Genesis at the time (VdGG appeared on the cover of Melody Maker as 'Britain's Most Fashionable Band' in May of '71 -- a big deal at the time to appear on MM's cover) so Anderson would have been aware of them, but VdGG weren't doing concept albums either. Yes had The Yes Album & Fragile out but this was when the group were putting out great albums with little or no fat, before any shastric scriptures invaded the Yes landscape. Crimson had the sidelong 'Lizard' out and it occupied all of side 2, but Ian didn't mention them in his little potshot. Gentle Giant in '71? Not much to tie in with the idea of concept albums from them. ELP had Tarkus out as well as the Pictures at an Exhibition album, but I doubt that TAAB's supposed 'spoofery' was influenced by those albums.

Just Ian Anderson larking about, probably, and with a bit of revisionist history (which, of course, casts JT in a favorable light and everyone else as being in their dust).


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Anyone who plays a flute and dresses in tights is prog, sorry Ian.
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Actually, the reason why he made TAAB into a concept album was because people kept on calling Aqualung a concept album, even though he denied it. So he decided to create a concept album. When he mentions that TAAB was a "spoof" album, I think he was refering to the way the song was written and not how the story evolves.
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Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

When he mentions that TAAB was a "spoof" album, I think he was refering to the way the song was written and not how the story evolves.
 
Well, I haven't seen the video interview in a couple of days (the link at the beginning of this thread) but I thought he called TAAB a spoof and made it sound like that album was taking the piss out of groups like Genesis, Yes, GG, and ELP.
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What an a****le. I'm not gonna hold the idiot he's become against the witty, talented guy he used to be.

Saw Jethro Tull a couple of years ago, and it was the lamest, most uninspired concert I've been to in ages. Ian's lost his voice, his good taste (+ hair). The sh*tty Enya synths, metal drums and hair metal guitar managed to ruin every single classic he ever wrote. The flute was ok. He's also ten years late dissing pretentious proggers.
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Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

When he mentions that TAAB was a "spoof" album, I think he was refering to the way the song was written and not how the story evolves.
 
Well, I haven't seen the video interview in a couple of days (the link at the beginning of this thread) but I thought he called TAAB a spoof and made it sound like that album was taking the piss out of groups like Genesis, Yes, GG, and ELP.
That is only the second half. If you have spotift, I'd suggest that you listen to this: Jethro Tull – Interview With Jethro Tull
Listen to as much as you get the time to, they get back to the topic regarding the concept album once in a while.
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Please guys.....Ian Anderson is just having a laugh. Get a SOHPinch
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Yeah, seriously. Do any of you people have any concept of a joke? Confused He like tried to make it obvious as possible he was joking, too.
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Points: 864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2011 at 11:33
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Yeah, seriously. Do any of you people have any concept of a joke? Confused He like tried to make it obvious as possible he was joking, too.
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Please guys.....Ian Anderson is just having a laugh. Get a SOHPinch
 
Yeah, he is (as I mentioned) probably just larking about, but he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's taken potshots at prog bands before and, even though it's a bit tongue in cheek, one gets the feeling he kind of feels that way. But, it's like, "hey, since I'm being sort of jokey about it, you can't really get mad at me; I'm not totally serious here..."
 
A few issues ago, in Classic Rock Presents Prog, he stated, "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous."
 
I don't even totally disagree with him. I just think it's rich coming from him. A dude in tights, with one leg elevated and foot upon knee, and playing the flute ain't exactly a whole lot more badass than a guy in a sunflower mask...
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Points: 13495 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2011 at 11:36
Well considering Jethro Tull recently headlined the High Voltage festivals Prog stage i'd like to think he was joking.
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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Yeah, seriously. Do any of you people have any concept of a joke? Confused He like tried to make it obvious as possible he was joking, too.


I know but That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore. Neither is Ian.
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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Please guys.....Ian Anderson is just having a laugh. Get a SOHPinch

Indeed - that is Anderson all over. indeed, any self respecting JT fan would know all of this either from history, or by actually listening to many of the witty, self deprecating lyrics he sang.
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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Please guys.....Ian Anderson is just having a laugh. Get a SOHPinch

EXACTLY!  For Christ's sake, he's being interviewed in front of a huge "Prog Rocks" sign by prog critics (who were, by the way, fawning all over Yes and ELP whilst slamming "Passion Play.").

He's just having some fun at the expense of the audience, totally in character!!    I would have been surprised if he said anything different! 

Maybe IA should square off against Rick Wakeman's "Grumpy Old Rick" TV routine?  It would be rather hilarious!
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Please guys.....Ian Anderson is just having a laugh. Get a SOHPinch

EXACTLY!  For Christ's sake, he's being interviewed in front of a huge "Prog Rocks" sign by prog critics (who were, by the way, fawning all over Yes and ELP whilst slamming "Passion Play.").

He's just having some fun at the expense of the audience, totally in character!!    I would have been surprised if he said anything different! 

Maybe IA should square off against Rick Wakeman's "Grumpy Old Rick" TV routine?  It would be rather hilarious!
 
See my post above (below...ha ha!) and, if you get a chance, let me know what your vibe is about his quote in Classic Rock, which I give below:
Yeah, he is (as I mentioned) probably just larking about, but he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's taken potshots at prog bands before and, even though it's a bit tongue in cheek, one gets the feeling he kind of feels that way. But, it's like, "hey, since I'm being sort of jokey about it, you can't really get mad at me; I'm not totally serious here..."
 
A few issues ago, in Classic Rock Presents Prog, he stated, "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous."
 
I don't even totally disagree with him. I just think it's rich coming from him. A dude in tights, with one leg elevated and foot upon knee, and playing the flute ain't exactly a whole lot more badass than a guy in a sunflower mask...
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