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dwill123
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Topic: What kind of car do you own? Posted: July 07 2011 at 20:25 |
2010 Cadillac CTS (similar to the one below)
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Dean
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 10:15 |
All exhibitions are indicative of current fashion, (and "fashion" is all that art is at any one time), therefore can be taken as a measure of such, the shock of the new is an old hat.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 10:06 |
You drew a definitive conclusion about the global state of art in the Western world by watching a 6 minutes video of an exhibition opening? By God, I think I speak in the name of all art critics when I say that I envy such a powerful, even clairvoyant, vision...
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Dean
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 09:57 |
^ 240 years of self-propelled carriages and that's the best they could come up with for "art"? Oh dear. Western art is in worse state than I imagined.
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harmonium.ro
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clarkpegasus4001
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Posted: July 04 2011 at 13:59 |
I just purchased one of these, 5 door, metallic black, brand new, I collect it this Saturday!  I can't wait. http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/com/newIbiza08/site/start/main,lang=en.html
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 23:27 |
stonebeard wrote:
All males in America need to know how to drive a stick shift. I know cars are less of a thing in Europe and so on, but here it needs to be in the canon of Things Guys Must Know.
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My favoute car was the 1979 Trans Am i owned in the early eighties until i destroyed it in a car accident.It had a 4 speed Hurst shifter in it and this was a blast to drive.Way too many roach burns on the seat though. I now drive a black 2001 Chev pickup.Nice truck when it was new but it looks like sh*t now,well up close it does anyway.It's a four door with leather seats and about 440,000 kms on it.The body is starting to rust and my tailgate literally fell off when i was driving down the highway 2 years ago.Never bothered to replace it. The wife has a white 2008 3.5 Nissan Altima.Nice car with a Bose stereo system.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 22:37 |
A 2010 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited and a 1998 Cadillac Deville.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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CCVP
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 21:32 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 20:26 |
CCVP wrote:
you can allways save ur moniz to buy a high-end car when you are 70 or something.
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This is true. Rolling around the retirement home in my super luxury car
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CCVP
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 20:05 |
Lark the Starless wrote:
Dean wrote:
Lark the Starless wrote:
It just seems tedious to do the aforementioned steps, especially when on a freeway that has spurts of traffic. |
Have you got something better to do with your hands and feet while driving? Yes? Well, stop it and concentrate on driving instead. 
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Air drums, guitar, moog, mellotron, bass, sax, violin, etc.
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in other words, fap.
JJLehto wrote:
Dean wrote:
I have a sneaky suspicion you're not the real JJ Lehto...  |
Merely all part of my cover to keep the attention off me, I want to enjoy my retirement in peace. Also too much bad press from drinking and crashing that boat ya know?
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is an irony in loving racing/cars and not caring what I drive I
suppose, but it's more the fact: I would love a hot car, but it's just
not essential to me...would rather blow money on music  Also I'll never afford one anyway so I don't bother wanting one! 
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you can allways save ur moniz to buy a high-end car when you are 70 or something.
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 19:43 |
Dean wrote:
Lark the Starless wrote:
It just seems tedious to do the aforementioned steps, especially when on a freeway that has spurts of traffic. |
Have you got something better to do with your hands and feet while driving? Yes? Well, stop it and concentrate on driving instead. 
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Air drums, guitar, moog, mellotron, bass, sax, violin, etc.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 19:00 |
Dean wrote:
I have a sneaky suspicion you're not the real JJ Lehto...  |
Merely all part of my cover to keep the attention off me, I want to enjoy my retirement in peace. Also too much bad press from drinking and crashing that boat ya know? There is an irony in loving racing/cars and not caring what I drive I suppose, but it's more the fact: I would love a hot car, but it's just not essential to me...would rather blow money on music  Also I'll never afford one anyway so I don't bother wanting one! 
Edited by JJLehto - June 30 2011 at 19:01
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Dean
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:53 |
I have a sneaky suspicion you're not the real JJ Lehto...
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:47 |
.... I see? If the thing moves I really don't care
Edited by JJLehto - June 30 2011 at 18:48
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Dean
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:40 |
Lark the Starless wrote:
It just seems tedious to do the aforementioned steps, especially when on a freeway that has spurts of traffic. |
Have you got something better to do with your hands and feet while driving? Yes? Well, stop it and concentrate on driving instead. 
JJLehto wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
All males in America need to know how to drive a stick shift. I know cars are less of a thing in Europe and so on, but here it needs to be in the canon of Things Guys Must Know. |
I assume you're being silly but when I have cared about being typical, especially a "normal guy"  I don't know anyone...so unless you want to teach me! Oh, also get me a car that is stick, because I'm not getting rid of mine until that thing is dead!
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One thing you can't do in the USofA is hire a manual car... aside from the quizical looks you get when you go up to the Hertz desk and ask for a manual, then have to explain that you don't want a book that tells you how to drive, but a car with a manual gearbox: "a stick?" ... "yes, it's got a stick..." ... "we don't rent them" ... "why not?" ... "people drive them in first gear all day" ... "oh, I see... can I have a Mustang?" ... "You sure can. _____(long protracted bit about signing forms and finding driving licence, credit card etc.)____ so, you return the vehicle to us with a full tank of gas, or we charge you two dollars a gallon to fill it" (this was late 2002 btw) ... "two dollars - that's like a quid, a quid a gallon for petrol!" ... "yes, I'm sorry but we charge two dollars a gallon to refill the vehicle" ... "One GB pound for a gallon of petrol..." ... "but if you refill the car before you return it you pay a dollar 50 a gallon, so be sure to full-up before you return the car" ... "two dollars a gallon... cool - I'll return it empty and you can fill it then I don't have to look for a gas station and my hands won't stink of benzine for the whole of the 11 hour filight home - all for 7 bucks extra ... a bargain!"
Edited by Dean - June 30 2011 at 18:42
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Atkingani
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:23 |
The stick shift is so embedded in our culture that when we are children pretending to drive a car we make the movements of the clutch-and-gas pedals and also the noise of gears being shifted.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:13 |
Well yeah Caio, no one in my family has had stick before so there was no need! I have no clue, I know there's differences and a laundry list could be compiled for either side but I do not care. My car moves forward, works for me  If for whatever reason I needed to learn manual then...I shall. Though I do live in a very congested area and the only time I move in not GO-STOP-GO-STOP is on the highways, which at rush hour are a horrid mess so that would be a pain to deal with in manual.
Edited by JJLehto - June 30 2011 at 18:13
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:01 |
Dean wrote:
Lark the Starless wrote:
Plus, I don't know how to drive a stick well enough  |
Press left-hand "freewheel" peddle, engage "1" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, keep pressing "go" peddle into the carpet until engine cries and sounds like it's going to break free of the engine bay, press left-hand "freewheel" peddle and release right-hand "go" peddle, engage "2" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, keep pressing "go" peddle into the carpet until engine cries and sounds like it's going to break free of the engine bay, press left-hand "freewheel" peddle and release right-hand "go" peddle, engage "3" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, by this time you may have noticed a third peddle between the left-hand "freewheel" peddle and the right-hand "go" peddle, this is called the "stop" peddle, we will refrain from calling this the middle-hand "stop" peddle and just refer to it as the omfg! "stop" peddle", however this should not concern you at this moment in time, but as a precaution it is worth making a note to remember where this is now so that should the need arise for use at some later point in time recourse to the driver's handbook will not be necessary, anyway, where were we... keep pressing "go" peddle into the carpet until engine cries and sounds like it's going to break free of the engine bay, press left-hand "freewheel" peddle and release right-hand "go" peddle, engage "4" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, keep pressing "go" peddle into the carpet until engine cries and sounds like it's going to break free of the engine bay, press left-hand "freewheel" peddle and release right-hand "go" peddle, engage "5" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, if you are lucky and the stick-like thing growing out of the floor has a number "6" on it then keep pressing "go" peddle into the carpet until engine cries and sounds like it's going to break free of the engine bay, press left-hand "freewheel" peddle and release right-hand "go" peddle, engage "5" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor, release left-hand "freewheel" peddle while pressing right-hand "go" peddle into the carpet, under no circumstances should you engage "R" on the stick-like thing growing out of the floor while the vehicle is anything other than stationary otherwise the road will be littered with many disk-like pieces of metal with teeth around the edge called cogs and an further forward motion will become increasingly more difficult. |
I am fully aware of the process of driving one, good Dean  It just seems tedious to do the aforementioned steps, especially when on a freeway that has spurts of traffic.
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CCVP
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Posted: June 30 2011 at 18:00 |
Atkingani wrote:
CCVP wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Lark the Starless wrote:
Gas here is LA is about $3.65 a gallon. Wouldn't know the conversion in pound/litres/etc. |
I've heard that it in Europe it generally equates to what would be 8 or 9 dollars a gallon for us.

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In Brazil the price is about that much as well (in Reais, not dollars, obviously), despite us being self-sufficient in oil. f**king taxes. 
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In Brazil, petrol price is around 1.00-1.15 EUROS per liter; I think it's around 7 USD per gallon. Anyway, the diesel (gas-oil) price is subsidized by those using petrol and costs half the price.
We have also the options for etanol and natural gas (some states) and very recently for electricity (yet experimental).
BTW, Dodge Journey is not for the wealthy. It's half the price of a Toyota Hilux!  |
That still ain't cheap.
JJLehto wrote:
Yeah, some of my taller friends can be a bit...tight in there but I'm short so w/e  Stick? Nah min is automatic, I don't know how to drive a stick. INB4 10 people "OMG driving one is so easy!" yeah...that's because you know how 
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It isn't likyou have ever tried to drive a stick shift car.   Besides, depending on how's traffic, auto cars are for the best. Many people in the larger cities here are having joint problems because of traffic (you know, from shifting gears a million times or from keeping the shift peddal pressed). Keep in mind cities like São Paulo and Rio have tens of miles of slow traffic each day.
Edited by CCVP - June 30 2011 at 18:06
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