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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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There's a lot to say about the subject, but i'll begin with some pictures... Contrails (condensation trails) over France ![]() ![]() The sun is now white instead of yellow (and yellow/orange at sunset, instead of red) ![]() Artificial clouds appears everywhere below saturated airlines (south of France, famous for its beautiful sunlight) ![]() |
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Well, I would say there's a lot of air traffic over France. The coral reefs are disapearing & the polar bears will be gone by 2050 and the rain forests not long after. I think we are doing the best job possible to wreck our planet. I'm sure God gets up every morning and yawns makes himself a cup of coffee and before he switches on his computer says to himself " wonder what they've scewed up today ".
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Salut Olivier
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they try to cut our use of the car, but they do absolutely nothing to curb the useless flights around the globe, polluting much morec (kerosen is much more dangerous than diesel or normal gas)
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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We talk a lot about CO2 and greenhouse effect...always cars are quoted as a source of pollution as Sean said. The sad truth is that we are over the threshold of saturation of plane's exhaust since about 2007. The steam water/soot blend rejected by planes doesn't evacuate anymore.
The sky and the light become uniform everywhere: an eclipse light, even in the middle of summer. The weather is greatly disturbed since 2007: cloudy, dark, more and more humid. Because of this excessive moisture, it's always too cold or too hot, but we never feel well outside anymore. The sun dazzles (very dangerous when driving) and burns the skin cause the sunbeams are not parallel anymore: it has to go through an infinity of water drops blended with various particles. The sunlight is weaken and scattered. We're greatly disturbing natural water and light cycles which are vital for life on earth. No place anymore is preserved, here's the Sahara sky ![]() Whereas there's a very urgent need to go back at a traffic volume less than the world level of 2005, we're about to double and then triple the traffic. I let you imagine what quantity and quality of light we'll receive then. Edited by oliverstoned - February 25 2011 at 10:10 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Nice to see that people in Western Europe actually care about these things. Where I come from (Eastern Europe) everything (the air, the water, the ground) is unfortunately much, much more dirty, dusty and filled with toxic substances.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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After the 11th Sept 2001, air traffic stopped during 3 days causing a rising of 1°C centigrad of temperature in the USA.
During the volcano eruption of last April, all traffic stopped on most part of Europa during 3 days as well. Have a look at the bottom of the page of this (french) blog, showing two pictures: one took when there was no plane flying, the second one took the day after when a part of the traffic had begin again. In the two cases, the weather report announced good sunny weather: http://www.jehaisparis-maiscachange.com/article-la-disparition-du-ciel-bleu-avec-couchers-de-soleil-45296809.html Edited by oliverstoned - February 25 2011 at 10:05 |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I remember reading that when the air traffic was suspended after the 9/11 attacks that there was a dramatic improvement in air pollution. I wasn't able to find anything to link to though. Down the memory hole.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Good. So how do you propose that people move from country to country?
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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What is more important..........
1.......having a planet to live on 2.......moving from country to country |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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This is the most ridiculous and simplistic statement you've ever made. Not to mention it's also a false dichotomy. |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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I don't know if you deserve an answer, the T...
But here's your sky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEAwShRjQM PS: i don't believe at all in the chemtrail theory, i only speak about "contrails" |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Here it is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2058273530743771382# Everyone must see this video about global dimming |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Explain. It would seem you only discuss things with people who agree with you. Therefore, you don't like to discuss.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I guess an alternative source of clean renewable energy needs to be found, and quick, because we are not going to change our travel habits. Unless, of course, the cost of fuel goes through the roof and stays there, and carbon taxes are imposed on all nations making air travel only the preserve of the uber rich.
It's interesting that technology allows us to telecon more and more at work, and yet business air travel seems to increase year on year. The company I work for spent over £1.3 million on travel last year, and that's just our one UK site. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Edited by The T - February 25 2011 at 12:35 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I don't give you my approval anyway. And I'm quite sure you don't need it. This website and discussions are not about giving approval. Yes, maybe the world is going down the drain. But stoping personal travels around the world is certainly not a bright idea of how to end the problem. I hope, though, that you've given up driving your car or riding on buses... They also contaminate, and horribly so.
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Ecological crisis? Depends on how you look at it. There were many extinctions before us. Most animals that were ever on the earth are extinct now. We're not really crying about that are we? So, humanity might be screwing up the atmosphere for a bit. Oh well. We'll just end up killing ourselves and most other megafauna on earth, we'll have a period of desolation, and earth will rebound, hopefully without a uncaring, out-of-equilibrium species like Homo erectus erectus around to screw it up again. Earth survives, life survives, the universe survives. Maybe it's to our benefit to care about the environment, but it's certainly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. All we are is ants builing a really large colony, and it will crash down sooner or later.
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