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Gandalff 
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 Posted: December 27 2010 at 09:25 |
Some metal fan´s hand (probably Forum Newbie) is just very painful by furious clicking. 
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
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o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 10:23 |
The Who and Deep Purple ARE prog. Gandalf get your sh*t together man! 
and no reason to vote now.... seriously what's the deal with vandalize a poll like this?
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 10:42 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog...The first phrase in the front page of their site claims they are the epitome of UK Glam Rock.
If I have to choose to whom believe...I choose them, they know who they were.
But at the end, you claim that because I said said they were a Glam Rock band I didn't knew them (Now you at least admit they had a Glam period)...Ergo, they don't know themselves according to you.
And of course you won't get into an extensive discussion, but because it's obvious they were a Glam Rock band, something they proudly admit
Iván
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Kiss claims they are " THE HARDEST BAND IN THE WORLD" do you believe them? 
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Pekka
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 10:42 |
Green Day  That's all I have to say in this thread.
Oh wait, I voted for Telegraph Road. Some heavy metal fans around here have way too much time on their hands, considering the votes certain songs have gotten.
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 10:50 |
Jörgemeister wrote:
The Who and Deep Purple ARE prog. Gandalf get your sh*t together man!
and no reason to vote now.... seriously what's the deal with vandalize a poll like this? |
The Who And Deep Purple ARE Proto Prog. Therefore they aren´t counted to "Real" Prog. They are on PA but somewhat on the margin.
About b*****dization of the poll by some clicker it´s a pity and I didn´t expect this.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 10:54 |
i think if PA would catalog by albums and not by artists albums like "quadrophenia" and "machine head" or "in rock" will be under prog.
what do you think?
btw does the poll allows multiple choice?
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steppenfloyd
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:11 |
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Nights In White Satin or The End
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:14 |
Jörgemeister wrote:
i think if PA would catalog by albums and not by artists albums like "quadrophenia" and "machine head" or "in rock" will be under prog.
what do you think?
btw does the poll allows multiple choice? |
Multiple votes are allowed. You can actually try it. Though that´s primarily thought as voting for several favourite options, not for multiple clicking for one option. This one wouldn´t be permitted. 
Regarding your first idea, I mean it would be more fair. But it´s for longer debate.
Edited by Gandalff - December 27 2010 at 11:19
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:40 |
but we at PA love debates 
btw i got my name changed my name (in case you havent notice)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:52 |
Jörgemeister wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog...The first phrase in the front page of their site claims they are the epitome of UK Glam Rock.
If I have to choose to whom believe...I choose them, they know who they were.
But at the end, you claim that because I said said they were a Glam Rock band I didn't knew them (Now you at least admit they had a Glam period)...Ergo, they don't know themselves according to you.
And of course you won't get into an extensive discussion, but because it's obvious they were a Glam Rock band, something they proudly admit
Iván
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Kiss claims they are " THE HARDEST BAND IN THE WORLD" do you believe them? |
No, but the case is different.
Every Metal band claims to be the hardest one, because that's some sort of achievement for them, very few claim to be a Glam band, because the term Glam is seen as derogatory by some fans.
Still The Sweet say with pride in their official website that they are the epitome of the Glam movement (They could had said they were a Rock band, but no, they placed emphasis and with no shame in the Glam aspect), and with a good reason, because Glam bands made great music, I was never offensive with the band, i said they made great rock tracks, but seems that some fans feel offended when their favorite band is not cataloged as Prog, as if Prog was an award or an achievement.
There are great and terrible Prog bands, in the same way that there are terrible and amazing Glam bands, Bowie during this era did good music, hey, I even liked the pomp of bands like Europe, The Sweet made some amazing tracks, but they shout they are Glam, they dressed as Glam, they are recognized as pioneers of the Glam movement...Denying they were a great Glam band is absurd and full of prejudice.
This doesn't mean they are bad or brainless, they made great music, but Prog...................No way, not even a track IMHO.
If somebody feels offended with this...bad luck, I say my truth even if people don't like it.
Iván
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 12:03 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Jörgemeister wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog...The first phrase in the front page of their site claims they are the epitome of UK Glam Rock.
If I have to choose to whom believe...I choose them, they know who they were.
But at the end, you claim that because I said said they were a Glam Rock band I didn't knew them (Now you at least admit they had a Glam period)...Ergo, they don't know themselves according to you.
And of course you won't get into an extensive discussion, but because it's obvious they were a Glam Rock band, something they proudly admit
Iván
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Kiss claims they are " THE HARDEST BAND IN THE WORLD" do you believe them? |
No, but the case is different.
Every Metal band claims to be the hardest one, because that's some sort of achievement for them, very few claim to be a Glam band, because the term Glam is seen as derogatory by some fans.
Still The Sweet say with pride in their official website that they are the epitome of the Glam movement (They could had said they were a Rock band, but no, they placed emphasis and with no shame in the Glam aspect), and with a good reason, because Glam bands made great music, I was never offensive with the band, i said they made great rock tracks, but seems that some fans feel offended when their favorite band is not cataloged as Prog, as if Prog was an award or an achievement.
There are great and terrible Prog bands, in the same way that there are terrible and amazing Glam bands, Bowie during this era did good music, hey, I even liked the pomp of bands like Europe, The Sweet made some amazing tracks, but they shout they are Glam, they dressed as Glam, they are recognized as pioneers of the Glam movement...Denying they were a great Glam band is absurd and full of prejudice.
This doesn't mean they are bad or brainless, they made great music, but Prog...................No way, not even a track IMHO.
If somebody feels offended with this...bad luck, I say my truth even if people don't like it.
Iván |
Genres are a very vague concepts, and ever changing. take a recognized prog band eg: Genesis, they werent prog anymore at some point, but still know as "progressive music" although it was closer to some pop form.
I dont know the sweet, im just bored. but most bands "goes with the flow" as a plublicitary move, maybe they felt they could gather more fans dressing like that and claiming to be glam? Kiss could fit into glam too, but they chose to say they are "the hardest band in the world" and people catalog them as metal(?)
my point is: do not believe what you read, specially in the internet. even if it comes from the source itself.
eg: I, Jörgemeister, claim to be the most progressive of the prog fans.
Cheers.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 12:50 |
Jörgemeister wrote:
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my point is: do not believe what you read, specially in the internet. even if it comes from the source itself.
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I agree, wouldn't dare to talk about a band I don't know.
I grew with The Sweet, I danced "Ballroom Blitz" in every party since I was 13, had all the albums ffrom "Funny how Sweet Co-Co Sweet Can Be" (1971) up to "Level Headed" (1978) when I lost the interest in them, but I also listened everything they did until "Identity Crisis".
But when you enter in a discussion, you can't give your opinion exclusively, you have to give evidence, and what better than the one in their official site?
Iván
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J-Man
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 12:55 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Jörgemeister wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog...The first phrase in the front page of their site claims they are the epitome of UK Glam Rock.
If I have to choose to whom believe...I choose them, they know who they were.
But at the end, you claim that because I said said they were a Glam Rock band I didn't knew them (Now you at least admit they had a Glam period)...Ergo, they don't know themselves according to you.
And of course you won't get into an extensive discussion, but because it's obvious they were a Glam Rock band, something they proudly admit
Iván
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Kiss claims they are " THE HARDEST BAND IN THE WORLD" do you believe them? |
Every Metal band claims to be the hardest one, because that's some sort of achievement for them, very few claim to be a Glam band, because the term Glam is seen as derogatory by some fans. |
That's not true AT ALL. 
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 12:55 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Jörgemeister wrote:
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my point is: do not believe what you read, specially in the internet. even if it comes from the source itself.
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I agree, wouldn't dare to talk about a band I don't know.
I grew with The Sweet, I danced "Ballroom Blitz" in every party since I was 13, had all the albums ffrom "Funny how Sweet Co-Co Sweet Can Be" (1971) up to "Level Headed" (1978) when I lost the interest in them, but I also listened everything they did until "Identity Crisis".
But when you enter in a discussion, you can't give your opinion exclusively, you have to give evidence, and what better than the one in their official site?
Iván |
But you always say, when you reject suggestions for Symphonic, that we shouldn't care if the bands call themselves symphonic, or prog, because what the bands say isn't reliable at all. I guess you only say this when it favours your point of view
Edited by harmonium.ro - December 27 2010 at 12:57
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 13:23 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
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But you always say, when you reject suggestions for Symphonic, that we shouldn't care if the bands call themselves symphonic, or prog, because what the bands say isn't reliable at all. I guess you only say this when it favours your point of view
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Of course Harmonium
- My personal experience creates my opinion
- The printed material, photos, interviews and web pages are used ti support my opinion.
Unlike other persons I don't claim that X band plays Prog or Rock or Glam Rock or whatever because I say so. Much less I call ignorants to those who disagree with me, I give my opinion and I support it with whatever is available.
When we add a band to Symphonic, we rely in our opinion as a team, but what other sites say and the information provided by web sites is a useful aid to confirm what we think.
Iván.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 13:29 |
Ivan wrote:
J-Man wrote:
Every Metal band claims to be the hardest one, because that's some sort of achievement for them, very few claim to be a Glam band, because the term Glam is seen as derogatory by some fans. |
That's not true AT ALL.
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The loudest, the hardest, the toughest, etc, are terms that MANY (have to be precise because seems that people can't understand figures of speech) bands use to describe themselves.
But when a band uses a term like Glam (which has negative connotations) to describe themselves...I believe them.
And when a band dresses like this:
To promote their greatest hits...I confirm what I suspected.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 27 2010 at 13:34
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 14:42 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
And when a band dresses like this:
To promote their greatest hits...I confirm what I suspected.
Iván
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that they are transvestites from outer space? 
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J-Man
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 14:58 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Ivan wrote:
J-Man wrote:
Every Metal band claims to be the hardest one, because that's some sort of achievement for them, very few claim to be a Glam band, because the term Glam is seen as derogatory by some fans. |
That's not true AT ALL.
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The loudest, the hardest, the toughest, etc, are terms that MANY (have to be precise because seems that people can't understand figures of speech) bands use to describe themselves. That's debatable, but no matter what, it's entirely different than what you said in your previous post. Now you're saying that MANY bands use these adjectives, whereas in the previous post you said "every metal band claims to be the hardest one", which is even more incorrect.
But when a band uses a term like Glam (which has negative connotations) to describe themselves...I believe them. I have no place to get involved in the discussion about Sweet. However, this comment is also heavily debatable/incorrect. Glam does not always have negative connotations- many metal fans (myself included) don't enjoy glam metal very much, but some of the most critically and commercially praised metal albums are glam metal.
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Matthew T
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 15:10 |
Just needed to see The Beatles look respectable. Gee, A Day In The Life is popular 
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Catcher10
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 15:15 |
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son....oops, couple too many
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