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Alberto Muņoz 
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 Posted: December 02 2010 at 13:15 |
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They never "fell", define "fell".
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thehallway
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 13:18 |
They fell and got back up again several times, haven't we all?
Like today, I slipped up in the snow, but then I righted myself!
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Bonnek
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 13:23 |
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I wouldn't say they fell in any sort of way, I even enjoy Momentary Lapse of Reason if I want to hear something BIG.
But for my taste their best years were surely 68-71, with DSOTM being a turning point to more consistent but - for me - less exciting releases.
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Mushroom Sword
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 16:02 |
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For me it's not after the Final Cut, but before. The Wall was great. But the only good track from The Final Cut is "One of the Few". So after the wall...
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The Block
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 16:10 |
 Mushroom Sword wrote:
For me it's not after the Final Cut, but before. The Wall was great. But the only good track from The Final Cut is "One of the Few". So after the wall... |
So they ran into "The Wall" and couldn't get back up 
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 Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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jean-marie
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 17:27 |
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The story ends up with DIVISION BELL witch is a very good album even if WATERS is gone
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 22:14 |
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
They never "fell", define "fell".
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Pete and Repeat were sitting on a fence. If Pete fell off, who'd be left?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:08 |
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I used to really dislike The Final Cut but recently have found it's chilling austerity to conceal some real fine melodies. It's not an everyday impulse though but now I regard it as a fine album.
Have a look at the Rough Guide To Pink Floyd. He really takes DG to task (especially his bass player) for U2 like moments and unnecessary live albums (unlike Ummagumma.)
I find it amazing that a band of the commercial level of PF managed to navigate different albums of different music and really challenging progressive listeners (who can like preferred formula just as much as anyone alse...)
Courageous band all round.
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Dean
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:23 |
^ The Delicate Sound Of Thunder is perhaps "unnecessary", but I think it was recorded and released to make a point and the point was well made at the time - Pink Floyd wasn't a spent force and they could continue without Waters.
Pulse is completely necessary IMO - Floyd were(are) one of the most bootlegged bands of all time and RoIO albums were the only way of hearing Meddle, ATM, DSotM, WYWH, Animals and The Wall played live since Floyd hadn't officially released any live albums during the height of their success through the 70s.
I've just replaced the battery in my copy so the pulse blinks again  |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:02 |
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Or do you pretend they did not fell? |
Why should it be "pretend"?  If we believe they didn't, we are necessarily wrong and biased? Floyd went into gentle decline after Dark Side, which lapsed into the mild mannered boredom of the last two Gilmour albums but it was not a fall by any means. As a last album, Division Bell is quite coherent and well written and expressed. Boring, especially for my taste, but that does not constitute a fall, as in a band who badly lost their way and failed to make sense at any level.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 07:27 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 07:31 |
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I didn't claim it to be a fact. But for what it's worth, my assessment is that it's a largely AOR/MOR oriented affair that would not get half the respect it does if it were not for the Floyd name. I go the other way, I find it disappointing to hear the adventurous, daring Floydians going through the motions. The only reason I don't come down too hard on it is Gilmour can't help being, well, Gilmour and that lends a semblance of emotion to the otherwise sleepy music.
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Paravion
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 08:03 |
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Meddle indicated the fall of Pink Floyd..
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Moondrop
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 09:58 |
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With Obscured by Clouds and Dark Side of the Moon they became a lot less interesting, but I wouldn't say they "fell" as they still had high quality outputs.
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Dean
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:27 |
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it was when the changed their name to the Screaming Abdabs
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Blackbeard
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:35 |
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Everythings has its time and its place. For Pink Floyd this coincidence is gone, but i am thankful for a lot of really great music.
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Finnforest
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 19:03 |
Dean wrote:
it was when the changed their name to the Screaming Abdabs |
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adace1
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 01:36 |
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I think they lost their footing with the Cut and Reason albums but really ended on a bang with Division Bell. That album for me stands up to any of their 70's material.
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himtroy
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:46 |
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Around 1968
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:21 |
infandous wrote:
... ... It should be mentioned though that all members of Floyd had their sights set on commercial success (though maybe not Barrett, but we'll never know that for sure now). However, they seemed to aim for that mostly in the business side, while the music remained completely in their control (they made sure of this fairly early on). ...
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I'm not sure this is the case ... the nice attention they were getting was helping them get around and get known ... but they did things that most rock bands don't do at all today ... where someone is so pre-occupied with fame and notoriety and making sure they had heard and seen on Prog Archives.
PF already had a lot of attention in 1972, and they had already been a part of at least 3 movies, 2 by Barbet Schroeder, 1 by Anotnioni that was totally hacked by the American studio that paid for it that did not want to use Pink Floyd, and several other film projects, one released as a concert with DSOTM outtakes, a lot of which ... Nick Mason called ... "nice home movies" ...
The point to be made here, is that Pink Floyd was looking for their music to be "visual" ... and they had made the call that their concerts would be a treat ... and then they put together a trip for DSOTM, that featured a film that won an Oscar later, and had some far out singers and the tours were sold out. heck ... PF was sold out in 1972 at the Hollywood Bowl where I saw them first ... to give you an idea ... and their main concern then, was the quality of the music coming through the Quadraphonic sound system they started with ... (they were the first with it) ...
I don't thik that PF fell ... I think they ran the course of their life ... and what more can you do together? ... not much except share a glass of wine and look at each other and say ... we did well ... much better than we thought.
And btw, much of "The Final Cut" were out takes from The Wall, and they were in the first version of the film and were cut later because it was too long for the American audience and they wanted to make sure they did not go over the 2 albums time span. The extra material was about Roger's dad and the war, and that is where Vera Lynn and a lot of the war stuff came from ... and added a very nice historical concept to the story of The Wall. As it is right now, the whole 4th side is bizarre and the whole military thing is stupid ... and an analogy for the social powers, and that was not exactly the concept before, and it still isn't!
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