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Perhaps you can tell us why you think they fell?

 

 

Definately the Humpty Dumpty thing! 

Wish You Were Here.

 

And if their two songs "Welcome to the Machine" and then "Have a Cigar" don't tell you all of it ... you are not listening to the words! They were pist at the record company for being forced to do something closer to the concept of Dark Side of the Moon, than they were in doing the material that they already had been playing in concert for at least a year! ... which finally appeared in "Animals" ...

 

That is not to discredit things like "The Wall" at all ... and I think that Roger decided to do something even bigger to get back at the record company ... but by that time, so much money was rolling in and DSOTM was still on the charts that no record company was going to say NO to Pink Floyd ever again ... because the contract would die that very second!

 

In the end, PF even gave in to the record company and the film company. Material, pictures and visuals that ended up in "The Final Cut" were a part of "The Wall", that would have made it way too long and force it onto 3 LP's and it was hard enough to sell double LP's, let alone triples in those days ... and you pretty much could only use about 80 to 90 minutes tops for the whole thing!

 

Were it today, the day and age of the CD, the material of "The Final Cut" would be much more integrated into "The Wall" ... and it has ... the political nature of it is quite visible in the current version of "The Wall" ... which apparently Roger wanted in the other shows but had to be curtailed for both financial reasons and the length of the work.

 

If I correctly understand, Ferush means

The Piper At The Gates of Dawn

A Saucerful of Secrets

More

Ummagumma

Meddle

Five bad albums? 

 

Many regard it as a solo Gilmour album, but musically it is a completely different product when compared to his previous solo albums and one that is more than worthy of the Floyd name (more so than the undeniably Water's driven Final Cut) - while Wright and Manson are present on the album practically in name only is somewhat irrelevant given that their presence in the studio was enough to motivate and inspire Gilmour and Ezrin to make it more than just a solo album, (especially in light of the ensuing legal battle with Waters during the recording).

 

 

 

If you are simply slating the chart success of DSotM as indication of their commercial saleability then that's also appears curious, since it was not their first bite at album chart success either - Atom Heart Mother got to No 1 in the UK (DSotM never did). With the exception of Ummagumma all Floyd albums upto and including DSotM contained short "pop" songs together with longer experimental tracks. Dark Side Of The Moon wasn't such a radical departure for them (compare it to the "soundtrack" albums like More or Obscured By Clouds for example).

Almost correct. Atom Heart Mother was released one year before Meddle. But that does not stop me from being flabbergasted . I guess that Ferush's statement was meant to be just a provocation. I would give 3 to 5 stars for these albums.

 

You didn't finish the sentence ... dark side of the moon ... because Syd WAS the original Greatest Gig in the Sky ... go listen to the bootlegs that are around from before the release of that album!

 

And when you do, you will know that "Wish You Were Here" is total and utter ... disgusting ... crock ... mandated by the record company.

 Everybody has to come up with a description of the early Floyd. That description is DRUGS. As if to say that every musician or composer that wrote 20th century Avant-Garde HAD to have taken drugs. What's up with that? Don't you see how that influence has dragged society down and pushed them so far from the arts they can no longer see the light? It's the same as Jim Jones brainwashing to me. If most people are going to think the same then they might as well take the plunge right? After close to 30 years of this garbage,...it really feels that extreme. When Edgar Varese heard the traffic in the city through his window, he was inspired to write music. He created those car horn sounds and city noise through instruments. Roger Waters did the same on Ummagumma with unorthodox methods that created sounds. or sound effects. He didn't have to drop LSD to accomplish that. Christ, most people have it all wrong. You can blame that on the radio.

And I remark ALL

 

Like today, I slipped up in the snow, but then I righted myself!

 

Pulse is completely necessary IMO - Floyd were(are) one of the most bootlegged bands of all time and RoIO albums were the only way of hearing Meddle, ATM, DSotM, WYWH, Animals and The Wall played live since Floyd hadn't officially released any live albums during the height of their success through the 70s.

 

I've just replaced the battery in my copy so the pulse blinks again

 

I'm not sure this is the case ... the nice attention they were getting was helping them get around and get known ... but they did things that most rock bands don't do at all today ... where someone is so pre-occupied with fame and notoriety and making sure they had heard and seen on Prog Archives.

 

PF already had a lot of attention in 1972, and they had already been a part of at least 3 movies, 2 by Barbet Schroeder, 1 by Anotnioni that was totally hacked by the American studio that paid for it that did not want to use Pink Floyd, and several other film projects, one released as a concert with DSOTM outtakes, a lot of which ... Nick Mason called ... "nice home movies" ...

 

The point to be made here, is that Pink Floyd was looking for their music to be "visual" ... and they had made the call that their concerts would be a treat ... and then they put together a trip for DSOTM, that featured a film that won an Oscar later, and had some far out singers and the tours were sold out. heck ... PF was sold out in 1972 at the Hollywood Bowl where I saw them first ... to give you an idea ... and their main concern then, was the quality of the music coming through the Quadraphonic sound system they started with ... (they were the first with it) ...

 

I don't thik that PF fell ... I think they ran the course of their life ... and what more can you do together? ... not much except share a glass of wine and look at each other and say ... we did well ... much better than we thought.

 

And btw, much of "The Final Cut" were out takes from The Wall, and they were in the first version of the film and were cut later because it was too long for the American audience and they wanted to make sure they did not go over the 2 albums time span. The extra material was about Roger's dad and the war, and that is where Vera Lynn and a lot of the war stuff came from ... and added a very nice historical concept to the story of The Wall. As it is right now, the whole 4th side is bizarre and the whole military thing is stupid ... and an analogy for the social powers, and that was not exactly the concept before, and it still isn't!

You should have heard the original ... called "Raving and Drooling" ... it was the best space rock song ever done and had Gilmour going even further out ... which was taken out by Waters in the re-mixing of the album ... which also killed the song and made it something else ... although I will admit that it did have a nice moment in it ... and you could feel Anaheim Stadium lift and your stomach turn on a chord change on the keyboard part ... but that is/was the only thing that made that song stand out ... the rest was not as nice or as good as before.

 

The album is nice, but not half as good as the original ... not even close! It's too bad that the majority here will never hear it or have any idea about it ... or even learn what the Greatest Gig in the Sky was really all about ... because it was about Syd!

I was thinking the same thing. Gilmour led Floyd sounds like what it is...Gilmour led Floyd. I can't imagine the record company telling him what to do or him or him acquiescing. Does The Jester also think that On An Island is controlled by the label?

 

The Division Bell was hailed as a return to form for the band. However the reception was overall cold. i like the album but not everyone has warm feelings towards it. The live versions are excellent on PULSE. I think Floyd existed after this purely as a live act, never returning to the studios as a band rather exploring solo careers, and Gilmour succeeded as a solo artist, though it is debatable if Waters did so much.

 

The band could do more live shows easily but are settled into a retirement phase. Never say never though because the band did reunite as we know for Live Aid 8. If anyone wants to see this concert I loaded it myself on youtube!

 

 

 

 

 

The Wall was indeed a commercial success and features short songs, but none of which are in what anyone would describe as being "commercial" format - one hit single and one very popular track does not constitute a commercial album - there are 24 other tracks on the album - which of those are "commercial"? 

 

Like DSotM, the "art" is not in the individual tracks but in the complete whole - just as Atom Heart Mother was a single track of seperate parts, so was The Wall - it is also cyclic with no actual beginning or end - just as history repeats itself, so does the "story" within the album, with the end folding back to the beginning - how "art" is that?