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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2010 at 22:52
I honestly think people here are trying far too hard to look "tolerant"...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2010 at 23:10
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I'm honestly confused why so few people are agreeing with me, so I'll make it out to be their problem and not mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 01:01
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It's vastly different. 

First off the obvious thing is that people don't BELIEVE in the Lord of the Rings, etc. it's been used as a source of fantasy.


You'd be surprised the sort of things you'd find on the internet. I once discovered a community of people who believed the Digital world in Digimon was real. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find people who believe Middle Earth was real. People believe all sorts of crazy things.

Just because Neal Morse happens to believe in some bearded man in the sky who loves him, and happens to write lyrics about it, doesn't really change anything about his talent as a songwriter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 09:13
Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

I'm honestly confused why so few people are agreeing with me, so I'll make it out to be their problem and not mine.

You're a f**king dick. People are being immensely pushy in this thread as is, outright insulting people if they don't like Jeebus lyrics. And then you pull this sh*t.

I guess Transatlantic doesn't bother people like you since you're too busy being a complete and utter a****le to notice how grating the vocals are.

Of course it's their problem if they're the ones that can't stand that people would be put off bands for singing about something that makes them uncomfortable, and insult them based on it. People like you are the worst you can get in any debate, and a reason why a lot of forums outright ban editing quotes, it's childish.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 09:14
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:


It's vastly different. 

First off the obvious thing is that people don't BELIEVE in the Lord of the Rings, etc. it's been used as a source of fantasy.


You'd be surprised the sort of things you'd find on the internet. I once discovered a community of people who believed the Digital world in Digimon was real. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find people who believe Middle Earth was real. People believe all sorts of crazy things.

Just because Neal Morse happens to believe in some bearded man in the sky who loves him, and happens to write lyrics about it, doesn't really change anything about his talent as a songwriter.

There's a difference between fringe loons and an enormous culture. The connotations are completely different. Some of us don't feel comfortable with the concept of organised religion and mindlessly dedicating yourself to one individual at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 09:25
Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

I'm honestly confused why so few people are agreeing with me, so I'll make it out to be their problem and not mine.

You're a f**king dick. People are being immensely pushy in this thread as is, outright insulting people if they don't like Jeebus lyrics. And then you pull this sh*t.

I guess Transatlantic doesn't bother people like you since you're too busy being a complete and utter a****le to notice how grating the vocals are.

Of course it's their problem if they're the ones that can't stand that people would be put off bands for singing about something that makes them uncomfortable, and insult them based on it. People like you are the worst you can get in any debate, and a reason why a lot of forums outright ban editing quotes, it's childish.


Sorry, but people like you are worse, when you have to resort to crude personal abuse in order to make a point, no matter how valid you might think it is. Careful, or the admins will be banning youAngry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 10:32
Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:


It's vastly different. 

First off the obvious thing is that people don't BELIEVE in the Lord of the Rings, etc. it's been used as a source of fantasy.


You'd be surprised the sort of things you'd find on the internet. I once discovered a community of people who believed the Digital world in Digimon was real. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find people who believe Middle Earth was real. People believe all sorts of crazy things.

Just because Neal Morse happens to believe in some bearded man in the sky who loves him, and happens to write lyrics about it, doesn't really change anything about his talent as a songwriter.

There's a difference between fringe loons and an enormous culture. The connotations are completely different. Some of us don't feel comfortable with the concept of organised religion and mindlessly dedicating yourself to one individual at all.
What the hell is your problem, dude?
Sure you can say, you don't like Transatlantic lyrics for the reasons you've mentioned, but don't get pissed, if a lot of people - both gnostic and agnostic - don't share your feelings in that thread. You are the one who "pushes" people into "admitting they don't like the lyrics either, because you can't have it that the people who'd agree with you aren't really reacting...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 12:05
I usually defend religion these days, mainly because it has become somewhat trendy to criticize it, and I tend to be contrary by nature. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:16
I myself am a Christian and a prog fan, and I find immense satisfaction in hearing Christ-themed lyrics in the context of progressive rock.  I think Neal Morse's lyrics could sound a little more sophisticated (more Livgren-esque), but I'll take what I can get.
 
This thread will probably go on for another fifteen pages, at which point everybody will forget that it started as a discussion about TA and Neal Morse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:24

^ Haha, well, I think this thread will die out for a while and then will be read by some guy and the whole discussion starts all over again...and I don't think that's a bad thing, I guess, since, by then, a whole lot of new PA members will be here to share their thoughts on the matterSmile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by Medicine Melancholy Medicine Melancholy wrote:

I'm honestly confused why so few people are agreeing with me, so I'll make it out to be their problem and not mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:53
Ok, you are aware of the fact that it's not funny anymore, footwolf? -_-'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 15:00
Yeah, I'll stop. Poor kid's likely to blow a blood vessel if I keep it up Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 15:12
I don't understand why this is such a controversy. Why can't those who appreciate or tolerate Christian lyrics listen to them and those who don't appreciate or can't tolerate Christian lyrics not listen to them? A songwriter should be allowed to write about what moves them and for Neal Morse that is his religious beliefs. If you are offended, move on and listen to something that isn't offensive to you.

I honestly would rather have Neal write about something that means something to him, then for him to try to appeal to the masses and not have as much conviction in his music. It is his emotional investment in his music and lyrics that makes him so great as an artist in my opinion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 15:32
Originally posted by mamboboy mamboboy wrote:

...lyrics put me off so, so much! Being an atheist it really makes me cringe to hear some of the lines. The 'Dancing with eternal glory , whirlwind' is probably the best (or worst) example of this. An epic 12 minute song, but it's all about God!

"...and you're dancing with eternal glory, taking that step to another land. you are dancing with eternal glory, don't be afraid, go and take his hand"

Dead It all really brings the album down a few levels to me, anyone else finding this? Or are most okay with it? I mean, I have nothing against Christian bands, but Transatlantic throw it right in your face in some songs...
 
You have to allow people to be who they are. If you don't like the lyrics, there are plenty other bands out there that you can enjoy and appreciate that speak your lingo and doesn't interfere with your very own inner state.
 
Please be tolerant pf people's abilities and desires. Specially in the arts. Without many of those artists speaking to you, in many places and countries, you have no voice whatsoever!
 
I, personally, do not buy something because of the lyrics or because it is that band or not. May I suggest a deep evaluation of your tastes in music? And .. no ... religion and "arts" do not mix very well and has a history of massive collusion!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2010 at 19:34
I'm also an atheist, but the religious lyrics don't really bother me. If you rally against stuff like that, you're just as bad as the Christians who like to rant and rave against every last piece of entertainment while labeling everything as "immoral." Music transcends ideology, especially when music that's as amazing as Transatlantic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2010 at 01:15
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

I'm also an atheist, but the religious lyrics don't really bother me. If you rally against stuff like that, you're just as bad as the Christians who like to rant and rave against every last piece of entertainment while labeling everything as "immoral." Music transcends ideology, especially when music that's as amazing as Transatlantic.

This.

It's especially telling that all the different band members have seemingly completely different religious affiliations. Neal's a christian, Mike's jewish. Not sure what Roine is, I think he's stated that he's "spiritual" but doesn't affiliate with any particular religion. And yet they can all come together and write some great music. And I'm pretty sure they're not the only prog band where this is the case (see also Kansas, who have the fundmentalist Livgren and skeptic atheist Swalsh writing songs together).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2010 at 06:34
Enjoy the music and take the words as artistic expression, regardless of what they actually say. Yes, I know they can be important to people, but whether we agree or disagree with what's being said, the right to freely say things is very important. I know I don't agree with people who preach death and destruction, or blind worship , but they still have a right to express such opinions. You would hope people educate themselves enough to know right and truth from whatever you want to call the other options. Transatlantic is a truly enjoyable collaboration, as are the member artists individual home bands. Provocative or interesting words may be part of any musical creation, just as Roine's choice to play an A flat instead of an A natural may be. The end result may be dissonant or consonant, but it's still music, and you may like either option. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2010 at 12:43
I agree that Transatlantic are an extremely talented bunch (although much of what they produce is tantamount to an affectionate homage to classic early 70's prog IMO)

We can't really afford to get too picky about prog lyrics. After all, it's the fact that Morse's words actually make conventional narrative sense that makes our approval/disapproval of them possible in the first place.
Given some of the cryptic and arcane verbal poo produced by Anderson, Sinfield, Gabriel, Lake et al over the years, we could be forgiven for thinking Christian oriented Prog is the only type capable of secular and unpretentious lyrics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2010 at 17:29
In line with many others before me:  if the lyrics are religious, let them be.
 
I'm not religious myself but I don't mind too much religious lyrics as long as they are not over the top. If played cleverly they can actually be interesting.
 
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