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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:45
I find the idea of a government telling its citizens what they can and cannot wear utterly abhorrent. Yet another reason to dislike France.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:34
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I've read that many women do not feel imposed upon at all by the tradition and are actually insulted by the feminist reaction toward it.

However, I can see one reason behind the ban: Suppose a person commits a crime?  Identifying her would be very hard with a covered face.

However, does this mean it's illegal to wear masks in public as well?  The French do celebrate Halloween, I believe. Wink

I've seen videos of people trying to hide their face with bags over their head while attempting to rob a store. That didn't turn out to well. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:31
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


I think this is a terrible decision for many reasons.
(Teo) What is your view?



I'd be interested in hearing the reasons too.

I'm kind of torn on this though I tend to agree with the ban. It is slightly negative for religious freedom but I can't accept religious ideas that make one half of the population into second-class persons, and that forces them to hide behind a curtain. Maybe they feel freer inside the veil? Maybe. But themandate to wear it is a man-made (male-made should I say) decision, imposition on all muslim woman who wouldn't have a choice not to wear the thing (at least those in the radical exextremes of the religion) so I think this decision is healthy and a steo towards less discrimination.

I can understand this reaction.  I also feel that in some Muslim communities and countries, women are treated horribly.

However, there are some women that choose to wear these garments as an expression of their religion.  Also, tell me what you think will happen:  do you see that this law is going to all of a sudden make the Islamic communities in France say, "Wow, they're right, our religion/culture is just completely wrong about this."  Or will they really bristle about non-Muslims dictating to them what their women should wear - honestly, how do you think they will react to this?  Is this really the best way to try to achieve a modicum of integration into Western society and thought, by force of law?

Now that being said, because it's a full body veil I can see placing restrictions on its use; for example, it might be prudent to say that you're not allowed to drive wearing one of these, or if a police officer requests that you show your face you will need to do so.  I think those are sensible restrictions; an outright ban goes too far.  If a Muslim woman and law-abiding citizen wants to simply walk down the street wearing a burqa than we should not forbid that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:22

I think it is an animal/human instinct to demand that we should be able to see another's creature/humans face to check out if that creature/human being is displaying aggressive or friendly behavior. In short, every single one of us is always risk analyzing everything that comes across us on a street. Human faces is an important part of a risk analysis. This is our basic human instincts.......... as well as the instincts a dog and a cat lives by too. Burkas on cats or dogs will create total havoc in the animal kingdom. 

Hence I support this ban on all veils, burkas, closed helmets and masks worn in city streets. 

I became aware of this risk analysis when I lived in a terrorist ravaged city for some years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 15:57
I've read that many women do not feel imposed upon at all by the tradition and are actually insulted by the feminist reaction toward it.

However, I can see one reason behind the ban: Suppose a person commits a crime?  Identifying her would be very hard with a covered face.

However, does this mean it's illegal to wear masks in public as well?  The French do celebrate Halloween, I believe. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 15:39
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:


I think this is a terrible decision for many reasons.
(Teo) What is your view?



I'd be interested in hearing the reasons too.

I'm kind of torn on this though I tend to agree with the ban. It is slightly negative for religious freedom but I can't accept religious ideas that make one half of the population into second-class persons, and that forces them to hide behind a curtain. Maybe they feel freer inside the veil? Maybe. But themandate to wear it is a man-made (male-made should I say) decision, imposition on all muslim woman who wouldn't have a choice not to wear the thing (at least those in the radical exextremes of the religion) so I think this decision is healthy and a steo towards less discrimination.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:03
Good decision......what is a libertarian? i am not familiar with this word/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 13:50
I think this is a terrible decision for many reasons.

(Teo) What is your view?


Edited by Padraic - July 13 2010 at 13:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 13:50
Here's a good take on this issue: http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=22920

Warning, long article...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2010 at 13:49
French lawmakers have approved a ban on burqas, that piece of clothing that covers all the woman's body including her face. Polls show most people in France, Germany, Spain and others approve of a ban like this while 2 out of 3 americans oppose it. What are your views? I'm very interested in libertarian opinions...
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