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This topic was created just to annoy people, stop giving it attention it doesn't deserve and listen to some... Jaga Jazzist instead! 

Rune2000 wrote: This topic was created just to annoy people, stop giving it attention it doesn't deserve and listen to some... Jaga Jazzist instead!

Jaga Jazzist was created to annoy people, stop giving them attention they doesn't deserve.

Henry Plainview wrote: elder08 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Umm...this is a prog site, not Amazon.com or some other general music site.  The progginess quotient or lack thereof is a somewhat important factor to consider in regards to the audience that you are writing the review for.  The star guidlines do tell you to rate the album on where it would fit into a prog fan's collection.  There are now different star guidlines in regards to albums of artists listed as prog-related and proto-prog.  I suppose that where it gets sticky is with the non-prog albums of artists that are listed as prog bands.  Those albums should get immediately downgraded under the star system as a result of their lack of progginess.  Thus, the inclusion of such a discussion within the review. Yeah but I have seen some people give a fine album that deserved a 4 a 2 for lack of being prog enough that would be like me giving Crack the Skye a one for lack of amazing vocals keying in on one point and not even noting on others that are amazing Or they just didn't like it? There are very few non-prog rock albums that I would give a 4 to under any circumstances, and in a large part that is because of the qualities that makes something non-prog rock.

5 - Do not voice general opinions on matters such as whether a band/album/sub-genre should be included in the site, whether you agree with the star rating system, etc.. Such matters should be discussed in the forum. Keep the review pertinent to the specific album concerned. The reviews section is NOT the place for initiating or prolonging a debate.

Wouldn't that apply...I mean its sounds like almost anything not prog you wouldnt like therefore you wouldn't rate or review nicely in a good manner I review by how good something is in every category not just if its non-prog or supreme prog

elder08 wrote: 5 - Do not voice general opinions on matters such as whether a band/album/sub-genre should be included in the site, whether you agree with the star rating system, etc.. Such matters should be discussed in the forum. Keep the review pertinent to the specific album concerned. The reviews section is NOT the place for initiating or prolonging a debate. Wouldn't that apply...I mean its sounds like almost anything not prog you wouldnt like therefore you wouldn't rate or review nicely in a good manner I review by how good something is in every category not just if its non-prog or supreme prog

I think you address a valid issue indeed.
There's a contradiction between the guidelines that kind of bugs me:

- Guideline 5 indeed says NOT to debate whether an album should be on the site (hence whether it's prog or not)
- But then the rating system clearly demands you to judge an album on its prog value.
          eg ***** Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music.
          It doesn't say a masterpiece of music.

If I bother at all then I solve this by addressing the progginess in my review text, but it doesn't reflect in my rating.
Some people handle this in another way and they are perfectly entitled to. That's one of the great things about this whole site.

It's up to the reader to decide whether a review makes relevant points for him or not.



Edited by Bonnek - June 03 2010 at 01:14

 Its more of the fact that if someone visits the site and see's one of these review it would really make us look like idiots.

Rune2000 wrote: This topic was created just to annoy people, stop giving it attention it doesn't deserve and listen to some... Jaga Jazzist instead!

stonebeard wrote: Dude....there are tons of things about this site that make us look like idiots. They just have to visit the forum.

What does 'zeuhl' mean???? 

elder08 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Umm...this is a prog site, not Amazon.com or some other general music site.  The progginess quotient or lack thereof is a somewhat important factor to consider in regards to the audience that you are writing the review for.  The star guidlines do tell you to rate the album on where it would fit into a prog fan's collection.  There are now different star guidlines in regards to albums of artists listed as prog-related and proto-prog.  I suppose that where it gets sticky is with the non-prog albums of artists that are listed as prog bands.  Those albums should get immediately downgraded under the star system as a result of their lack of progginess.  Thus, the inclusion of such a discussion within the review. Yeah but I have seen some people give a fine album that deserved a 4 a 2 for lack of being prog enough that would be like me giving Crack the Skye a one for lack of amazing vocals keying in on one point and not even noting on others that are amazing

I've seen people give an album that deserves five stars one star and I've seen them give an album that deserves one star five stars... oh wait! I almost forgot that it's not my place to say how many stars an album deserves! We all can only give our opinions. Stop complaining that other people don't share yours.

elder08 wrote: Anyone notice how some of the people here on Progarchives.com review albums by how "PROG" they are or how "ZEUHL" they sound?  I could understand using this very much so as a small part of a review but honestly basing a whole review around one topic?  That would be like me reviewing a RHCP album based on how funky they are?!?!?!  Please think of this next time you write a review it just makes you look stupid.