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Posted: March 20 2010 at 13:24
Yes, brilliant musicianship in the studio, but what about the mind-blowing live performances? One of those pretty rare occasions where the showmanship blended beautifully with the showmanship. Heck, like someone put it quite nicely once, they'd go as far as a 'look mom, no hands!' type of performance. This attitude is hard to digest for many, but I love it!
WHY? I think ELP is a great band and i listen to it since 1984. Any prog fans find many favorite things in ELP but maybe find cheezy parts or elements too. Everyone have own opinion. I agree with you BUT i have problem with guitar in ELP!
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 14:40
Lizzy wrote:
Yes, brilliant musicianship in the studio, but what about the mind-blowing live performances? One of those pretty rare occasions where the showmanship blended beautifully with the showmanship. Heck, like someone put it quite nicely once, they'd go as far as a 'look mom, no hands!' type of performance. This attitude is hard to digest for many, but I love it!
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 20:54
Garion81 wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Yes, brilliant musicianship in the studio, but what about the mind-blowing live performances? One of those pretty rare occasions where the showmanship blended beautifully with the showmanship. Heck, like someone put it quite nicely once, they'd go as far as a 'look mom, no hands!' type of performance. This attitude is hard to digest for many, but I love it!
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 15:27
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ExittheLemming wrote:
^ Although the ad clearly states the following: Featuring 4 Discs of Never-Before-Released Live Tracks!
Does anyone know for certain if some of these ain't just repackaged material from the Manticore Bootleg series ?
If you click on "Show track listing" the details of which gig each track comes from are there, so should be easy to check if they are the same.
BEWARE!!!
Karn Evil 9 is exactly the same version as on the live triple release (Welcome Back My Friends...) and other tracks on the first disc include performances from the Lyceum concert and The Isle Of Wight festival 1970 (all available on the excellent Deluxe edition of Pictures At An Exhibition).
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 03:46
I love plenty of different styles of music but ELP will always be my favourite band. I can't think of anyone else
who had their combination of musicianship, aggression, dynamism and er, oh yeah "overblown pompous bombast". When it worked - ie mainly on the first five albums - it was brilliant.
I'm sure their reputation would be a lot better if they'd done a King
Crimson, split up around 1974 and not hung around to become punk
whipping boys, but of course that's easy with hindsight.
I'm toying with the idea of seeing them at the High Voltage fest in
London this summer but a bit worried there might be an air of old men
trying to recreate former glories. A lot of ELP's music relied a lot on
pure energy and attack so I think it's harder for them to recreate in
their dotage than the more 'stately' material of Genesis. Still will probably end up going and hope for the best.
Anyway here are some examples of why they were so great:
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
Ok, as a novice, I have purchased the first 5 albums of ELP, and I love them......This is where it starts getting messy. Where do I go from here...?? (bearing in mind that I'm also working on the back catalogue of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis & Peter Gabriel, etc, as well as all the Italian prog I'm learning about from this site. I really wish I had some friends into this stuff). So much music - so little time....
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 16:45
Kojak wrote:
Ok, as a novice, I have purchased the first 5 albums of ELP, and I love them......This is where it starts getting messy. Where do I go from here...?? (bearing in mind that I'm also working on the back catalogue of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis & Peter Gabriel, etc, as well as all the Italian prog I'm learning about from this site. I really wish I had some friends into this stuff). So much music - so little time....
Are you including Pictures at an Exhibition in the list?
If so, you already have the important stuff.... if you are now an ELP fan these are musts (in that order):
*Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends
*Keith Emerson Band feat. Marc Bonilla
*Live At The Isle Of Wight Festival 1970
After that:
*Emerson Lake & Powell
*Emerson,Lake & Palmer - King Biscuit Flower Hour (AKA "Live")
*Black Moon
*Works Vol. 1
*Works Vol. 2
*3 - To the Power of Three
*In the Hot Seat (This one is OK, nothing special... but it is worth buying because of the superb studio recording of Pictures at an Exhibition!)
Here are some amazing box-sets to get for some unique stuff from classic
ELP (first 5 albums...):
*Return of the Manticore
*From the Beginning (it includes one of the best live performances ever!)
*A Time and A Place (just released.... apparently an amazing source of high quality live recordings...)
If you are really desperate for more (be prepared for big disappointment):
*Love Beach
Outside ELP you could also check:
*The Nice:
-Five Bridges Suite
-Vivacitas (It includes some great and different versions of ELP tunes)
-The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack
-The Nice
-Ars Longa Vita Brevis
-Elegy
*Atomic Rooster - Atomic Roooster (Palmer's pre-ELP band)
Enjoy it!!!!
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 22:39
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ProgressiveAttic - thank you for you time, mate, I really appreciate it.(Yes, I was including 'Pictures').
No problem! + I assumed you already own King Crimson's In The Court of the Crimson King.... If you don't, forget everything else and go BUY IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 01:09
'Keith Emerson At The Movies' is also a great little 3cd box set. Includes the soundtracks to Dario Argento's horror film 'Inferno' and the Hollywood production 'Nighthawks' (starring Sylvester Stallone). Emerson was extremely creative in this period and was helped by Godfrey Salmon (the guy who conducted the orchestra on the Works tour). Well worth checking out.
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 01:15
ExittheLemming wrote:
1 - A degree of virtuosity is required to play Prog.
I guess you don't consider bands like Pink Floyd and Hawkwind prog because I'd say that isn't true at all.
Space rock is one genre of prog that doesn't put much emphasis on technical abillity, neither does krautrock.
2 - The subject matter of Prog is more often than not borderline sci-fi hippy cosmology, but more importantly it ain't remotely about disaffected yoof, teenage rebellion and slaughtering your parents with a six foot safety-pin.(then devouring their remains)
Again there are bands like Pink Floyd, VDGG, PT and so on who deal with those kinda themes all the time.
3 - Prog does has a tiny sliver of Jazz and R'n'B in its DNA but is for all intents and purposes unequivocally 'white' music that does not source its development from funk, soul, blues, motown, dance music or basic primal rock and roll. Without wishing to embroil us in undue controversy on an ELP appreciation thread, there is more than ample evidence to suggest that (exclusively white) music journalists in both the UK and USA have always had a covert racist agenda when it comes to bestowing their laurel wreaths on the heads of those they will subsequently decapitate before the month's out.
Again you act like the only kind of prog is symphonic. I think a truly progressive band could be influenced by pretty much anything. There's blues in Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and GG, there's R&B in pretty much all the proto prog bands as well as Yes and there's primal rock n roll in Hawkwind.
As prog evolves it will continue to merge with newer genres of music. There are already prog bands who are influenced by everything from punk to reggae to electronica to alternative rock. How can prog evolve if it has to forever remain limited to certain influences? What would be so progressive about it then?
ProgressiveAttic - thank you for you time, mate, I really appreciate it.(Yes, I was including 'Pictures').
No problem! + I assumed you already own King Crimson's In The Court
of the Crimson King.... If you don't, forget everything else and go BUY
IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Of course I have 'In The Court...' I could never claim to like this
kind of music and not own that one, I'd deserve to be shot if I did... I have that, plus 'In The Wake', 'Larks Tongue', and 'Red' - got a long way to go yet with KC, I know. Cheers ProgressiveAttic, I'm gonna copy and save your list.
@Richardh - cheers again, 'Emerson at The Movies' goes on my (ever expanding) list.
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 23:04
^ There is a thread "Gateway to King Crimson" on Prog Recommendations, perhaps you could get an idea of how to proceed with King Crimson with that thread. There was a good post explaining which albums or eras of King Crimson to pursue depending on what songs you liked better from the debut. If you post there we could help you with that discography too.
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Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
When it worked - ie mainly on the first five albums - it was brilliant.
I'm sure their reputation would be a lot better if they'd done a King
Crimson, split up around 1974 and not hung around to become punk
whipping boys, but of course that's easy with hindsight.
I have that, plus 'In The Wake', 'Larks Tongue', and 'Red' - got a long way to go yet with KC, I know. Cheers ProgressiveAttic, I'm gonna copy and save your list.