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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:29
Why does Malawi attrack more males than females? Is it the chance to join their people's army??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:34
This is rapidly starting to turn into this thread
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 16:04


Hehe, was expecting 8 pages of bloodshed, but there are no women to take part in it.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 16:22
^ That's because, as been said, women are more intelligent socially Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 09:22
Originally posted by WatcherOfTheSkies88 WatcherOfTheSkies88 wrote:

I think everyone is missing one of the most important reasons why Men like prog more than Women: vocals. Women seem to put much more importance on vocals than Men do. Some progressive rock songs have long instrumental sections, and that can turn women off... because they crave to hear the human voice sing. Women want songs with vocals and minimal instrumental breaks. 
 
 
I actually sort of agree with this, or at least I've had first-hand experience of this recently. The other week, I told my sister that she should listen to "My Room (Waiting for Wonderland)" By VDGG. The first thing she said was "I'll never be able to sing along to this". Not sure if this is quite the point you were making but still, maybe it's a factor? (The second thing she said was that it sounded like cheesy elevator music GRRRR)
 
Other than that, I personally don't know what it is about me that might set me apart from other females in my choice of music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:20
Originally posted by JemJem714 JemJem714 wrote:

Originally posted by WatcherOfTheSkies88 WatcherOfTheSkies88 wrote:

I think everyone is missing one of the most important reasons why Men like prog more than Women: vocals. Women seem to put much more importance on vocals than Men do. Some progressive rock songs have long instrumental sections, and that can turn women off... because they crave to hear the human voice sing. Women want songs with vocals and minimal instrumental breaks. 
 
 
I actually sort of agree with this, or at least I've had first-hand experience of this recently. The other week, I told my sister that she should listen to "My Room (Waiting for Wonderland)" By VDGG. The first thing she said was "I'll never be able to sing along to this". Not sure if this is quite the point you were making but still, maybe it's a factor? (The second thing she said was that it sounded like cheesy elevator music GRRRR)
 
Other than that, I personally don't know what it is about me that might set me apart from other females in my choice of music.
I agree, and had already posted something to this effect. That is exactly the reason why my wife likes "Follow You Follow Me" but when she went to see Genesis she was bored by the long instrumental breaks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 13:48
Originally posted by JemJem714 JemJem714 wrote:

Originally posted by WatcherOfTheSkies88 WatcherOfTheSkies88 wrote:

I think everyone is missing one of the most important reasons why Men like prog more than Women: vocals. Women seem to put much more importance on vocals than Men do. Some progressive rock songs have long instrumental sections, and that can turn women off... because they crave to hear the human voice sing. Women want songs with vocals and minimal instrumental breaks. 
 
 
I actually sort of agree with this, or at least I've had first-hand experience of this recently. The other week, I told my sister that she should listen to "My Room (Waiting for Wonderland)" By VDGG. The first thing she said was "I'll never be able to sing along to this". Not sure if this is quite the point you were making but still, maybe it's a factor? (The second thing she said was that it sounded like cheesy elevator music GRRRR)
 
Other than that, I personally don't know what it is about me that might set me apart from other females in my choice of music.
 
Interesting.  I had my daughter take a look at this thread because I wanted her input.  I also wanted her to see how ridiculous some of the replies were.LOL 
 
She also singled out WatcherOfTheSkies88's above referenced comments and said that may have something to do with it.
 
My sister loves prog.  We went to many prog concerts long ago before the term prog existed.Wink  She is a musician.  I've always felt that musicians of all people have a greater appreciation for this type of genre, due in large part to the structure and complexity of the music.  Her favorite group was Gentle Giant.  We saw them several times including an unforgettable performance at the Roxy on Sunset Blvd. in LA.  My daughter has a greater love of classical music.  Kind of goes against the vocal theory though, now doesn't it?  My wife, well it's country music all the way.  As a matter of fact, my sister is the only female in my entire family who really likes progressive rock.  She is in no way into it as much as me though!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:26
There are not zero women who like prog rock. Not at all.

As for it appealing more to men than women, you're absolutely correct.

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Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:


Let's look at some of the famous female musicians out there: Shania Twain, Avril Lavigne, Lily Allen, etc. Then let's look at some of the famous male musicians out there: Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison. Very different music.

Bullsh*t. You could have easily inverted that and said: Nico, Janis Joplin, Patti Smith, etc. Ricky Martin, Rick Astley, Jedward.

Although I do think Rick Astley is pretty enjoyable myself once in a while.

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Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:


Now let's take that supposition a step forward and say that said 16 year old girl interrupts her Bryan Adams or Spice Girls or whatever the young'ns (Tongue) are listening to today and listens to Van Der Graaf Generator. What are they going to think of those long songs, dark lyrics in Peter Hammill's unique voice? What will they think of the manic drumming and the dual saxophone attack? It will be beyond their scope of expectation and they likely won't know what to make of it. Most people these days judge music on the first listen, and VDGG requires more than just one listen to properly penetrate. So without an immediately obvious reason to love the music, and a lot of confusing new aspects, what will this young girl think?

For sure, she might love it. But I think that in most cases, it will be too far beyond her current scope of knowledge for her to appreciate, unless someone is showing it to her, adding their own enthusiasm to build up hers, etc...but I don't think it's likely she's going to discover & love it herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU0wg5nupXM

That's a beautiful song that anyone from any demographic should be able to appreciate.

I used to listen to Soft Machine and Hatfield and the North when I was with my ex-girlfriend. She didn't like Third very much.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 12:33

It's just natural.

Not always middle aged men though, I am 15. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2010 at 01:02
In 1978 a girl introduced me to the music of Happy The Man. It was strange to see her judged by other female friends. When she would play the music of Happy The Man, her girlfriends would cringe with embarrassment.Shocked I also knew a girl that was obsessed with the early King Crimson. She made life uncomfortable for the other girls in our band by playing early Crimson recordings during our transport to gigs.Shocked My first wife who was a Gong fanatic, experienced turmoil with female friends who may have thought that due to her personal musical tastes, Ancora Psychiatric Hospital would have been her suitable place to reside.Ermm
 
All 3 were fans of Progressive rock and were not musicians. I was good friends with a female keyboardist that spent most of her day learning Keith Emerson pieces....and yet another girl who worked feverishly on string arrangements and her main instrument was Cello. Both girls were rejected by most of society as we travelled on the road for many years. It would seem that women who have an interest in Prog, have a tough time getting excepted and have more confrontations than a criminal has with the law. They were always off on their own because of that realization and there was no doubt, that the music they loved and respected was considered to be like a disease for many.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2010 at 16:23
My wife has for some unknown reason been humming TMV's Since We've Been Wrong all day.  I take this as a positive thing. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2010 at 17:02
My fiancée loves prog shows.  Why?  No lines in the womens restrooms. LOL

Actually she likes a variety of prog music but her favorites are Genesis, IZZ, Kansas, ELP, Helmet of Gnats, LTE, Cryptic Vision and a few others.  Not into metal of any kind and also not a big Yes or Rush fan as she does not like the alto vocals of Jon Anderson except for Relayer and well, I will be nice and not repeat what she says about Geddy Lee's voice. Wink
I don't know I  think there are women who would be open to prog because quite a few listen to classical. it is also involvement on the listeners end to get into the music.  It is why so many musicians favor it or people who have had some kind of experience playing or learning music. Most people don't have a clue to the technical aspects of what make a great passage of prog  and so it sounds boring to them .This is not limited to women. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2010 at 17:55
I introduced one of my friends here at school to Magma (I know, taking a big chance of alienation LOL), and she enjoyed them well enough.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 00:47
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

What's a female?  Confused

The pretty humans who accompany you on your travels through space and time.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 02:50
I just had to say something. Having the same IP doesn't mean the traffic originated from the same machine. Just means they came from the same gateway! I agree this was probably a case of a doppelganger, but I don't want to get banned if my roomie behind the same router joins!
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I just had to say something. Having the same IP doesn't mean the traffic originated from the same machine. Just means they came from the same gateway! I agree this was probably a case of a doppelganger, but I don't want to get banned if my roomie behind the same router joins!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 10:26
Where there's a rule, there is often going to be an exception, but men seem generally more inclined to take music 'seriously' This is tricky to articulate without sounding like a mysoginist, but please bear with me..

In general terms, it often seems more important to a male music fan, how good a musician is on technical level. Women tend to like something if it simply appeals to their ears in some way. Men are natrually more inclined to be 'nerdy' and into collecting things and being an 'expert' on something which arguably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things; a favourite band, film director, a football team etc

Exploring prog through a forum like this, is sometimes like one long game of Top Trumps. Who's the best drummer? Who's the best shredder? Who had the best beard?? I've noted that our female members are less inclined to be part of these discussions.

It's a boys will be boys thing imo. Who's got the biggest Yes collection etc? Women dont really seem to give a sh*t about such things. Why women seem to like prog less than men is simple, the men who play prog rock, and the men who listen to prog rock, seem more interested in prog rock, than they do in women...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 11:06
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I just had to say something. Having the same IP doesn't mean the traffic originated from the same machine. Just means they came from the same gateway! I agree this was probably a case of a doppelganger, but I don't want to get banned if my roomie behind the same router joins!
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For local networks, routers enforce NAT (network address translation), so your lan IP is secure. It also helps your ISP in that they don't have to give each machine on your lan a separate IP. For instance, if you post any where in the residence halls on my uni's campus, it'll look like it's coming from 1 of 3 IP addrs, which one it is depends on the load of each device. Basically, I'm just saying that red-flagging ppl whose posts come from IP is not necessarily a good practice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 11:16
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I just had to say something. Having the same IP doesn't mean the traffic originated from the same machine. Just means they came from the same gateway! I agree this was probably a case of a doppelganger, but I don't want to get banned if my roomie behind the same router joins!

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For local networks, routers enforce NAT (network address translation), so your lan IP is secure. It also helps your ISP in that they don't have to give each machine on your lan a separate IP. For instance, if you post any where in the residence halls on my uni's campus, it'll look like it's coming from 1 of 3 IP addrs, which one it is depends on the load of each device. Basically, I'm just saying that red-flagging ppl whose posts come from IP is not necessarily a good practice.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT


A lot more went into that person being banned than just matching ip numbers. It was pretty obvious something very fishy was going on, I knew there was a double personality going on there, matching ips and matching email addresses were the icing on the cake.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:00
Why does prog attrack so many socially-incompetent people? Your answer in the number of pages this thread has reached... 
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