Why does prog attrack more males, not females? |
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TheGazzardian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8667 |
Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:15 | ||||
Even if that's true (I think that the rest of my post kind of pointed in the opposite direction ), it still relies on somebody getting exposed to Van Der Graaf Generator before they can like it. So let's say I'm a 16 year old girl in my impressionable age, still feeling more influenced by what's on the radio, love songs, etc. What is going to make me aware of Van Der Graaf Generator in the first place? You have to keep in mind that, other than the radio singles, a lot of prog is only heard by those who seek it out. Now let's take that supposition a step forward and say that said 16 year old girl interrupts her Bryan Adams or Spice Girls or whatever the young'ns () are listening to today and listens to Van Der Graaf Generator. What are they going to think of those long songs, dark lyrics in Peter Hammill's unique voice? What will they think of the manic drumming and the dual saxophone attack? It will be beyond their scope of expectation and they likely won't know what to make of it. Most people these days judge music on the first listen, and VDGG requires more than just one listen to properly penetrate. So without an immediately obvious reason to love the music, and a lot of confusing new aspects, what will this young girl think? For sure, she might love it. But I think that in most cases, it will be too far beyond her current scope of knowledge for her to appreciate, unless someone is showing it to her, adding their own enthusiasm to build up hers, etc...but I don't think it's likely she's going to discover & love it herself.
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Ethos
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:17 | ||||
Don't say sorry. That is so cool! You are independent. The same as me. You liked what you heard, and that was enough, no different than me. We proggers are in the minority for sure. I am surrounded by people, especially at work, (men and women BTW) who do not appreciate what I listen to, at all. That's why I'm here. I run into even fewer women who are into it. 1. Do any of your female friends like prog also? 2. Who is your favorite group? 3. What is it about prog in relation to gender that makes you an exception to the rule (from a woman's perspective)? In other words, what connected with you that doesn't connect with other women? There has got to be more to it than "my brother listened to it." Why, why, why? Edited by Ethos - April 22 2010 at 23:41 |
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:17 | ||||
:) yeah that's what I said earlier
True, but I was thinking more in terms of women who have matured beyond solely basing their opinions on first impressions |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:18 | ||||
People don't pronounce things the same way you do!? CLEARLY THEY ARE RETARDED!
This is incredibly stupid. Carla Kihlstedt? Okkyung Lee? Satoko Fujii? Sylvie Courviousier? Ikue Mori? Marnie Stern? P-we? Carla Bley? Laurie Anderson? Evelyn Glennie? Susie Ibarra? Dagmar Krause? Leslie Flannigan? That annoying woman from Thinking Plague? That's just off the top of my head, and except for the last two they're all semi-famous in their respective fields. I'm sure I could find more if I looked. Maybe Transatlantic can only drawn the aging men, but the concerts at The Stone that I went to and the Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann gigs had fairly mixed audiences. And a lot of them were much older than you would expect.
This is completely wrong! You're making wild assumptions based on nothing! Look at how many women there are here! If we're going to base things off stereotypes, I would say that women are more likely than men to like classical music because it is relaxing and men want RAGE AGGRESSION. I know it's a meme, and I know it's said every time we do this, but THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS! Edited by Henry Plainview - April 22 2010 at 23:19 |
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thellama73
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:24 | ||||
I don't know any women who listen to Dagmar Krause or any other of the women you mentioned. I wasn't referring to female musicians, I was talking about the musical taste of the vast Majority of women. I don't dispute that a lot of women like classical music. What I said was that fewer women than men like it. I might be wrong, and as I said, I have no data other than experience, but I used to work in a record store, and the population of the Classical/Jazz department was always far more male than female. Your link listed orchestra players, not the distribution of women in the audience. There exists a difference. Edited by thellama73 - April 22 2010 at 23:26 |
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:26 | ||||
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It's the music lovers we gotta target with our prog-spreading ways =D |
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:27 | ||||
Prog fans are very eager to hop aboard the serious business train.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:32 | ||||
Women go to concerts, they don't buy albums.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:36 | ||||
Why not? |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:41 | ||||
Well, my wife does (I am a lesbian), and she grew up with it too. She is American by birth, and her parents were hippies. She was not even a year old when she attended Woodstock. I don't really have a favourite band, but VdGG, Hawkwind, Magma, Embryo, King Crimson, Gong, Amon Düül 2, Guru Guru or Can are some of my favourite artists. I especially like early Krautrock or space rock; that's where the strangest sounds came from.when I was a kid. Edited by BaldFriede - April 22 2010 at 23:49 |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:46 | ||||
I don't know. While Googling for a poll, I found that a classical label enclosed a survey in their albums, and out of the first 1000 responses, 997 were male. Clearly this does not reflect the actual demographics of classical fans.
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Ethos
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:47 | ||||
Favorite group? |
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:48 | ||||
Could also just be that more men fill out surveys xD |
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thellama73
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:52 | ||||
I suspect (and again I have no proof besides experience) that women go to the orchestra mainly as a social event, rather than because they love the music. Have you ever seen a woman there by herself? I haven't. Obviously this doesn't apply to all women, but I bet it's statistically significant. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:53 | ||||
maybe men are just more obsessive.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 22 2010 at 23:54 | ||||
^ I definitely believe that.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 00:01 | ||||
I think most people don't go to a concert by themselves.
That's true to a certain extent. The vast majority of audiophiles are men, and it doesn't get much more obsessive than that.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 00:38 | ||||
I don't have "the" favourite band, but VdGG, Gong, Magma, Can, Embryo, Amon Düül 2, Guru Guru, King Crimson or Hawkwind are sme of my favourite artists. I generally love Krautrock and Space Rock; that's where the strangest sounds came from when I was a kid. |
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Ethos
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 00:53 | ||||
Good music taste. I lean more towards the symphonic side rather than space rock. Back to the question at hand: What is it about prog in relation to gender that makes you an exception to the rule (from a woman's perspective)? In other words, what connected with you that doesn't connect with many other women? There has got to be more to it than "my brother listened to it." |
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WatcherOfTheSkies88
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 03:57 | ||||
I think everyone is missing one of the most important reasons why Men like prog more than Women: vocals. Women seem to put much more importance on vocals than Men do. Some progressive rock songs have long instrumental sections, and that can turn women off... because they crave to hear the human voice sing. Women want songs with vocals and minimal instrumental breaks.
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