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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2010 at 17:23
Originally posted by halabalushindigus halabalushindigus wrote:

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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I'd rate higher an album with several true masterpieces but some flaw, than a consistently good album but with no real highlight in it. Of course we need some sense of measure, a masterpice of 10 min in an otherwise full of sh*t album of 50 min is not enough to rate the album 5 stars, this is common sense. I love the song Lifeline in Neal Morse's same titled album but I rated it 2 stars because most of the rest sucks. And yet I rate any of the first albums of ELP until Welcome Back (included) with 5 stars without hesitation.
I was just listening to IQ's "The Seventh House" and realised that it's a perfect example of what I meant with this. It has an average rating of 4.03, exactly the same as "Trilogy" and very close to "ELP debut", "Tarkus" or "BSS". And 41% 5-star ratings. Sorry but I can not get that such an album has the same score as ELP's masterpices. Just as reference here's my just posted review of this IQ album:
 
"Martin Orford may not like the neo-prog tag but the truth is, if you should explain to somebody what neo-prog is there are not much better ways that putting on this CD. IQ are as close to the paradigm of neo-prog as one can be, and this album is a really fine one in their discography.

A very solid and consistently good album from start to finish, it does not have any really weak moments or flaws. Why then only 3 stars? Well, the problem is a frequent one between IQ and me: as much as I can not find any weak moments, I can not find any really memorable music either. It's as if the music is constantly hovering around the level of 7 - 7,5 over 10, never getting below this but never getting higher either. It's not easy to really identify the reason, maybe the lack of virtuosism, the absence of really interesting ideas in their choices of chord progressions, scales, keys and dynamics, the lack of sympohic moments, I don't know. It's as if the guys were not ambitious enough.

This consistency makes it hard to talk about individual tracks, none is really bad but none does really stand out, although if I should choose I would select "The wrong side of weird", the title track and "Guiding Light" as the best picks.

Personally I can not understand how this album has got 41% of the reviews with 5 stars. To me it's a good album which can be listened to with moderate pleasure, an album fitting perfectly with the description for 3 stars: Good, but far from essential."

  
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Points: 28029 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2010 at 14:52
^ Interesting comments as IQ are probbaly my second favourite band after ELP. I rated Seventh House as 4 stars but did admit that it lacked originality. That said the material on the album is very strong throughout.Neo Prog as a genre sits very differently to classic symphonic prog. IQ write in a more emotional 'human' vein than ELP although quite obviously Paul 'Cookie' Cook is not going to threaten Carl 'the human whirlwind' Palmer in the best prog drummer stakes any time soon. But I do thoroughly enjoy IQ's music and they give me something that I don't get from ELP. Seventh House is a solid 4 stars in neo prog terms as Trilogy is in classic symphonic prog terms IMO.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2010 at 15:22
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well, dont worry about elp's records rating,  its just a balance of taste prog archives people.

iMO, yes destroys elp cause they manage better virtuosity and shymphonic in their albums than elp, although elp is a top 5 live prog rock band. Clap

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Points: 956 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2010 at 19:15

I like ELP as an integral effort, but they have many lights and shadows in their albums. I know that it's a matter of taste, and nothing is written about this. But the key, in my opinion, is in the composition quality. Emerson and Palmer (maybe Lake), are full of virtuosity, they are great performers, but they were not great composers (or songwriters). I like much many tracks of ELP but I can't find an album that I can say: "ok, It's excellent". By the way the top progbands in the seventies were Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd and ELP. The ELP sound is unique, and the bombastic side of them, is fantastic for me, is one of the reason why I like this band.
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Points: 1601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2010 at 19:51
How many threads exactly like this are there?
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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2010 at 12:37
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

How many threads exactly like this are there?
 
If I had a penny for every thread like this, I would have 7 or 8 pence by now!
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Points: 12732 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2010 at 22:17
What I find kind of weird, is that the "Why do people hate ELP" kind of threads are getting more attention than the "ELP apreciation" threads.
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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2010 at 22:27
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

What I find kind of weird, is that the "Why do people hate ELP" kind of threads are getting more attention than the "ELP apreciation" threads.


It could be what's called a self fulfilling prophecy (and I'm a massive ELP fan)
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