ELP Appreciation thread !!!! |
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richardh
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:20 | ||
thanks! a few snippets on the actual creative end of ELP and then why they didn't tour after High Voltage:
I'm very proud of ELP, but it wasn't the journalists that brought down ELP. I think it was ELP themselves. It started to fragment when they made Works Volume 1. It was a good album, but it wasn't ELP. It was Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer with an orchestra. Well, with three separate orchestras. [Laughs] The album went platinum, and I can say with all the humility that I can muster that there were some great tracks on the record. But it wasn't a record that reflected the chemistry of ELP. It reflected the individuals apart from each other. There are some tracks, like "Pirates," for example, which stand up on their own. Leonard Bernstein liked that song a lot. But the truth of it was that Works Volume 1 was the beginning of the end. After that, ELP never made another really innovative record. I don't know. It frustrates me. Frankly, it takes a lot of energy and determination to reach a playing standard that people expect from a band like ELP. The expectation is very high. People are coming to see the legendary ELP. What do they expect? I'll tell you. They expect to see the band they heard on record or saw on tour in 1974. And now we're 40 years older, and you've got to do it the same. That takes some doing. I really wanted to go out and play a world tour. We only got the one show, and after five or six more the band would have been formidable. Keith and Carl didn't want to do it. I don't know why. It's very strange, but there's something about ELP that doesn't work. It used to work, but it doesn't work now. That might change. People do change, of course. I go back to my philosophy of the duty you have to perform for people who have invested not only their money, but a lot of their feelings into your music. I just feel that you should try and give them satisfaction Edited by richardh - March 05 2013 at 17:21 |
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rdtprog
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:15 | ||
Thanks for that interview! Nice!
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 13:47 | ||
An interesting interview with Greg Lake in Rolling Stone that I thought should be shared. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prog-rock-pioneer-greg-lake-punk-is-not-a-form-of-music-its-a-fashion-statement-20130305?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Rollingstone%2FCNN%2FNews+%28RollingStone.com+--+CNN%29
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O666
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Posted: June 04 2010 at 06:23 | ||
Intresting. From ELP to KC!! ( From Genesis to revolution).
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Dellinger
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 23:04 | ||
^ There is a thread "Gateway to King Crimson" on Prog Recommendations, perhaps you could get an idea of how to proceed with King Crimson with that thread. There was a good post explaining which albums or eras of King Crimson to pursue depending on what songs you liked better from the debut. If you post there we could help you with that discography too.
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Kojak
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 02:22 | ||
Of course I have 'In The Court...' I could never claim to like this kind of music and not own that one, I'd deserve to be shot if I did... I have that, plus 'In The Wake', 'Larks Tongue', and 'Red' - got a long way to go yet with KC, I know. Cheers ProgressiveAttic, I'm gonna copy and save your list. @Richardh - cheers again, 'Emerson at The Movies' goes on my (ever expanding) list. All the best, guys... Edited by Kojak - June 01 2010 at 02:22 |
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boo boo
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 01:15 | ||
I guess you don't consider bands like Pink Floyd and Hawkwind prog because I'd say that isn't true at all.
Space rock is one genre of prog that doesn't put much emphasis on technical abillity, neither does krautrock.
Again there are bands like Pink Floyd, VDGG, PT and so on who deal with those kinda themes all the time.
Again you act like the only kind of prog is symphonic. I think a truly progressive band could be influenced by pretty much anything. There's blues in Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and GG, there's R&B in pretty much all the proto prog bands as well as Yes and there's primal rock n roll in Hawkwind.
As prog evolves it will continue to merge with newer genres of music. There are already prog bands who are influenced by everything from punk to reggae to electronica to alternative rock. How can prog evolve if it has to forever remain limited to certain influences? What would be so progressive about it then? Edited by boo boo - June 01 2010 at 01:36 |
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richardh
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 01:09 | ||
'Keith Emerson At The Movies' is also a great little 3cd box set. Includes the soundtracks to Dario Argento's horror film 'Inferno' and the Hollywood production 'Nighthawks' (starring Sylvester Stallone). Emerson was extremely creative in this period and was helped by Godfrey Salmon (the guy who conducted the orchestra on the Works tour). Well worth checking out.
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 22:39 | ||
No problem! + I assumed you already own King Crimson's In The Court of the Crimson King.... If you don't, forget everything else and go BUY IT RIGHT NOW!!!!! |
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Kojak
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 17:28 | ||
ProgressiveAttic - thank you for you time, mate, I really appreciate it.
(Yes, I was including 'Pictures'). Edited by Kojak - May 31 2010 at 17:30 |
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 16:45 | ||
Are you including Pictures at an Exhibition in the list? If so, you already have the important stuff.... if you are now an ELP fan these are musts (in that order): *Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends *Keith Emerson Band feat. Marc Bonilla *Live At The Isle Of Wight Festival 1970 After that: *Emerson Lake & Powell *Emerson,Lake & Palmer - King Biscuit Flower Hour (AKA "Live") *Black Moon *Works Vol. 1 *Works Vol. 2 *3 - To the Power of Three *In the Hot Seat (This one is OK, nothing special... but it is worth buying because of the superb studio recording of Pictures at an Exhibition!) Here are some amazing box-sets to get for some unique stuff from classic ELP (first 5 albums...): *Return of the Manticore *From the Beginning (it includes one of the best live performances ever!) *A Time and A Place (just released.... apparently an amazing source of high quality live recordings...) If you are really desperate for more (be prepared for big disappointment): *Love Beach Outside ELP you could also check: *The Nice: -Five Bridges Suite -Vivacitas (It includes some great and different versions of ELP tunes) -The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack -The Nice -Ars Longa Vita Brevis -Elegy *Atomic Rooster - Atomic Roooster (Palmer's pre-ELP band) Enjoy it!!!! |
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Kojak
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Posted: May 31 2010 at 14:40 | ||
Ok, as a novice, I have purchased the first 5 albums of ELP, and I love them......This is where it starts getting messy. Where do I go from here...?? (bearing in mind that I'm also working on the back catalogue of Yes, King Crimson, Genesis & Peter Gabriel, etc, as well as all the Italian prog I'm learning about from this site. I really wish I had some friends into this stuff). So much music - so little time....
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 03:46 | ||
I love plenty of different styles of music but ELP will always be my favourite band. I can't think of anyone else
who had their combination of musicianship, aggression, dynamism and er, oh yeah "overblown pompous bombast". When it worked - ie mainly on the first five albums - it was brilliant.
I'm sure their reputation would be a lot better if they'd done a King
Crimson, split up around 1974 and not hung around to become punk
whipping boys, but of course that's easy with hindsight.
I'm toying with the idea of seeing them at the High Voltage fest in London this summer but a bit worried there might be an air of old men trying to recreate former glories. A lot of ELP's music relied a lot on pure energy and attack so I think it's harder for them to recreate in their dotage than the more 'stately' material of Genesis. Still will probably end up going and hope for the best. Anyway here are some examples of why they were so great: |
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richardh
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 15:27 | ||
BEWARE!!!
Karn Evil 9 is exactly the same version as on the live triple release (Welcome Back My Friends...) and other tracks on the first disc include performances from the Lyceum concert and The Isle Of Wight festival 1970 (all available on the excellent Deluxe edition of Pictures At An Exhibition).
This is a blatant rip off I'm afraid.
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Gerinski
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 14:55 | ||
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 02:06 | ||
^ Although the ad clearly states the following: Featuring 4 Discs of Never-Before-Released Live Tracks!
Does anyone know for certain if some of these ain't just repackaged material from the Manticore Bootleg series ? |
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ProgressiveAttic
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 20:54 | ||
OK...I need to get that!!!!! |
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Garion81
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 14:40 | ||
Then maybe this will interest you:
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O666
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Posted: March 22 2010 at 11:43 | ||
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: March 21 2010 at 10:05 | ||
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