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Points: 41 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2010 at 15:53
I'm lucky to be able to enjoy almost all of prog's subgeners. Besides, I started to get into music through classic rock, some of which is now considered proto-prog. Then it was on to heavy and prog rock. I've always enjoyed musical prowess so its no wonder that  I really enjoy prog metal, although that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy symphonic or most of all the classic prog bands. In fact, bands like Dream Theater combine many elements of the classic prog bands along with heavier stuff. The thing is that I have many friends that like prog but that don't even have the interest of exploring some of its offsprings! Sorry for them for its their loss! Maybe they associate prog metal with a younger generation...LOL
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Why are classic prog and prog metal presented as the only two options?

Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of prog metal. To be honest I haven't really been exposed to too much. I've got a few Dream Theater albums, who I don't really like all that much anymore, really the only thing I'll listen to is the Mind Beside Itself suite off Awake. The rest got boring fast. I enjoy Opeth, though.

I guess I do have a problem with heavy music, in a way. I don't really mind heaviness itself, that doesn't bother me, but to me it's more the way that all the "chug-chugging" leaves the music sounding harmonically empty to my ears. When the backing for a section is just a guitarist crunching out fifths, there's only so much you can do. And sure they switch it up a bit with changing time signatures and virtuoistic drumming but it still ends up sounding a bit boring to me. Sometimes, Opeth especially, will chug chug in a way that brings out all sorts of weird notes, which I enjoy, but for the most part it's just fifths, fifths and more fifths.
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2010 at 17:36
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

It's like metal is the new modern sound of prog or neo prog.


Well, there's the problem right there.


Oh yeah and Walter, once again, sh*t in your hands and clap.


That would sound like a post-1989 album, then.
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Points: 32524 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2010 at 18:07
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Definitely I love good progmetal. Last cds buyed online were Redemptionī s last work (my great hopeless) and a box with of an excellent spanish team called AVALANCH. The whole discography only 25 dollars...
 
In my humble opinion, I think nobody who loves prog can deny the doors or heir feelings to another prg scene.
 
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I find that very often prog-metal follows a few certain formulas. Normal Prog doesn't  follow formulas.
I have yet to hear some prog-metal with a section where they play very quiet (and maybe add a little jazz? please!) like for example King Crimson's "21'th century schizoid man". Also the recording of much modern music is to perfect/sharp. To much metal in modern music (not all are bad, some are exeIent Clap). love tons of 80's Trash metal, NWOBHM and Tech/Extreme Metal.  Jazz, Metal, Classical, Rock, and electronica (you can mix all of these genres exept Rock and Metal, right?). I also find most drumming in Prog-metal to be kinda boring, same sound when each drumstick hit the skin. Love all subgenres of prog, Prog-metal being the one i like/listen to the least.


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Prog has always had a very close relationship with metal. From the beginning. King Crimson was some of the heaviest stuff around at the time. Songs like Starless and Larks Tongues In Aspic part One have some very heavy parts. Black Sabbath, although more known for being a metal pioneer, rather than prog, always put proggy parts on their albums. Check out some of the stuff on the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album.
 
Both have technicality and virtuosity as a priority. I'd say metal and prog have more in common than metal and punk do.
 
And this 'all music after the 80s sucks' routine is so ignorant and closed minded. I thought we were supposed to be prog fans, and thus more open minded about music. I've noticed a lot of this attitude on this board.
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I don't listen to much prog metal or classic prog. Do I win a prize?
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Apart from Pink Floyd, I don't really listen to much in the way of classic prog anymore really.
I like metal in general and don't really care if it's prog or not, so I'll happily listen to Megadeth, Nevermore and Katatonia alongside Between the Buried and Me, Opeth and Gojira.
I do like a wider variety of prog though, from the post hardcore-prog stylings of Fall of Troy and The Mars Volta, through to jazz fusion like Ohm and Planet X and a whole bunch of other stuff
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I like and perform classic prog. Prog metal, or some other heavier sub-genre, is the music of another generation . I am glad that it exists, that another generation of musicians and listeners keep progressive rock moving forward, but I am part of that original movement. I am not sure the audience for prog metal would believe me, or take me seriously if I was doing stuff made by and for 20-somethings. I am 54.
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Originally posted by 88melter 88melter wrote:

I like and perform classic prog. Prog metal, or some other heavier sub-genre, is the music of another generation . I am glad that it exists, that another generation of musicians and listeners keep progressive rock moving forward, but I am part of that original movement. I am not sure the audience for prog metal would believe me, or take me seriously if I was doing stuff made by and for 20-somethings. I am 54.
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I am not a Dream Theater fan, but I'd like to point out that their keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, is also 54, and the other members are all in their forties. And prog-metal here has a lot of fans who are much older than 20. As I said in another thread, let's avoid age-related stereotypes whenever possible.
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Points: 94 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:33
Why avoid people's age, that is, their cultural context, as a valid factor in their preferences and inclinations. Without that, a 54 yr old player in a new-style band loses its significance, rather than gaining some sort of objective stance.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:42
Originally posted by 88melter 88melter wrote:

Why avoid people's age, that is, their cultural context, as a valid factor in their preferences and inclinations. Without that, a 54 yr old player in a new-style band loses its significance, rather than gaining some sort of objective stance.
88melter, the older guy who has seem a lot of the life in music.
If age is relevant then of course take into consideration, but if it isn't why bother? For Progressive Rock and Progressive Metal age has no significance - they're not exactly singing about teenage anst and the problems with zits and girls.

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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:52
I like both, but I must say I haven't heard about 95% of Prog  Metal, but then  again...I haven't heard all Classic Prog either.
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Points: 170 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2010 at 23:29
 Oh yeah ,prog metal is cool ,one of my fav bands is Threshold .Aso the early heavy prog stuff such as Heep ,early Queen ,Sabbath ,early Rush(Exit Stage Left) ,Kansas & Budgie .Thumbs Up
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:37
there is some prog metal I really like... there is some I really loathe...

just like 'prog' I guess
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Points: 522 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 20:05
I'm a prog fan and I'm a metal fan but I can't usually do them together...
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by 88melter 88melter wrote:

I like and perform classic prog. Prog metal, or some other heavier sub-genre, is the music of another generation . I am glad that it exists, that another generation of musicians and listeners keep progressive rock moving forward, but I am part of that original movement. I am not sure the audience for prog metal would believe me, or take me seriously if I was doing stuff made by and for 20-somethings. I am 54.
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I am not a Dream Theater fan, but I'd like to point out that their keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, is also 54, and the other members are all in their forties. And prog-metal here has a lot of fans who are much older than 20. As I said in another thread, let's avoid age-related stereotypes whenever possible.

I agree. Prog metal is hardly teenybopper music, made by and for that demographic. The average age of DT is at least early forties. They all have families. Porcupine Tree are all in their forties, too, except Richard Barbieri who is in his fifties. 

At my last PT concert there was everyone from fans wearing metal band t-shirts, to middle aged guys wearing Pink Floyd and Rush shirts going there with their wives. 
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

I have two prog metal albums by bands that have been active since the 80s (Queensryche and DT), but I just can't stand the cliches and samey sounding modern gloss of this genre. I'll take prog from 70s and the 80s over the claptrap being issues these days. As for metal... its all been done before and since cookie monster vocals seem to be the biggest innovation of the past 20 years I count myself out of this goofy game.

Well, I could say the same thing about some classic prog. I have two Marillion albums and I find them incredibly cheesy. I also find that a lot of modern prog which tries to sound like the 70s stuff (retro prog like Spocks Beard, Transatlantic, etc) is very heavy on the cheese factor as well. 
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:08
If you're a progressive rock fan and don't see the value of an album like, say, Vanden Plas' "Beyond Daylight", or A.C.T.'s "Last Epic", you're just missing out.

That said, there are many non-prog bands that I prefer over many prog-metal acts. Any of you guys like the Mountain Goats? Big smile
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