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crimson87 
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 Topic: DT... already a prog legend?
Posted: February 09 2010 at 17:15 |
Lately I have been listening to DT for hours and hours and I realized that I can be considered a fan of the band. Three years ago , I couldn't understand what the fuss was about with this group. But now they are one of the ones that I listen the most.
The question is , when we always talk about the prog giants we always mention: Yes , Genesis , KC , ELP , Tull and Rush. They all had their prime in the 70's and some like Rush and KC recorded good material in the 80's (KC always released good records to my ears) The point is , can't DT be considered into this group as well? Some of my reasons that could stand this statement are the following:
- They are the most successful American prog band , touring all over the world and having good sales figures taking into consideration they are a prog act.
- They are the most representative Progresive Metal band
- While not in their prime (in my opinion) the band's output has been consistent all over 20 years. We can compare this with what Genesis , Yes ELP or Tull were doing 20 years after their first release (late 80's)
- They achieved all previous three at a time when prog is not fashionable anymore
I know there are loads of DT threads but probably my question was worth opening one.
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Mind_Drive
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 17:38 |
I think they should be in the group of prog legends for the reason you mentioned! the newer genre of prog metal needs to have at least one band considered to be one of progs giantīs.. and wich band is more qualified for this honor than DT? so DT is a legend, at least for me 
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MysticDreams2331
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:27 |
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I also have thought this for awhile. Especially when you mention the
recent output. People seem to be incredibly harsh on DT's newer albums
but if you look at almost all of the other greats they all reached a
certain level of mediocrity later in their career. To be honest I think
the new DT stuff is more valid and true to their roots than most other
groups. Also, no one can deny the impact of the first half of their
career on prog metal and their concerts are some of the best around.
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:44 |
If not now, for sure in a few years.
In prog-metal at least, they are THE legend....
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:50 |
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I think the fact they were not only commercial but are arguably the most important band to prog music in the 1990's means they are certainly legends. We may not all like them, and I dont consider them amongst my favourites anymore, but no one can deny the impact they have had and continue to have.
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:55 |
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Well, you all know that I'm no DT fan, but denying their influence on the whole prog-metal scene would be downright ridiculous. In my reviewing activity I've come across a number of bands whose music had 'DT' written all over it, and I believe the number is much larger than I can even imagine. Therefore, like it or not, they are well on their way to becoming a prog legend.
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:57 |
 Raff wrote:
Well, you all know that I'm no DT fan, but denying their influence on the whole prog-metal scene would be downright ridiculous. In my reviewing activity I've come across a number of bands whose music had 'DT' written all over it, and I believe the number is much larger than I can even imagine. Therefore, like it or not, they are well on their way to becoming a prog legend.
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moshkito
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:59 |
Hi,
I think the output itself is fabulous ... and while not many people can give them credit, if there are any doubts about the musicianship ... grab the album with the orchestra ... because that is hard and unreal ... and it not only takes guts and ability ... it takes believing in your music and your work ...
... and that ... is usually the definition of great musicianship ... and I hope that it lives past my lifetime and then some ... make their name bigger still. There is a lot of music to be had out there ... and they know it.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:12 |
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They are definitely already a prog legend for all the points you mentioned. Images & Words, Awake, and Scenes From A Memory are all prog-metal classics. 20 years from now, I guarantee they will be THE representative prog band of the 1990's/2000's.
-Jeff
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Kashmir75
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:55 |
I was watching the 20th anniversary documentary on the Score DVD last night, and it made me respect DT's achievements all the more. These guys have developed a huge fan following, had hit albums, toured worldwide, sold out arenas; and all virtually without any support from radio or the press.
Not only this, but they are bigger now, more than two decades into their career, and still growing in popularity. How many bands can you say this of, 20 years into their career? And they had so many setbacks. Line up changes, being dumped by record labels, no support from labels, people trying to compromise their music. There's so many points when they could have chucked in the towel. But they stayed true to their beliefs and finally made a big success of themselves. Good on them. I think they deserve to be considered a prog legend. They do want they want to do, not what some suit at a record company tells them to.
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:40 |
I don't really know these DT's music, but hey, promoting them to prog legend, why not? Do they get some kind of prize or statuette for that? Personally I'm starting to get very afraid of exploring artists with big discographies. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:52 |
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Yeah, I guess wether you like them or not, they do have become legends. I myself like their music very much.
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:13 |
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I think at least purely on the strength of Images & Words and Awake, they should be considered as such. I don't like most of their post Moore efforts but these are awesome. Also, their Live At The Marquee really does flatten many legendary live prog albums by the masters...sorry, and this is coming from someone who definitely sides with the masters.
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:20 |
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Yep they are.
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 08:50 |
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal...
Edited by jampa17 - February 10 2010 at 08:52
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:10 |
jampa17 wrote:
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... |
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple  ... Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden any day !
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:24 |
Raff wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... |
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple...
Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden(and SABBATH!) any day!
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:39 |
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As others have stated more eloquently: I'm not a big DT fan, although there are some songs that are really amazing, but they are legendary no doubt. Very influential and an important band in prog.
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jampa17
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:41 |
Raff wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... |
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple...
Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden any day!
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Yes... yesterday I read one review of yours in that matter... but com'n... Sabbath is not metal... or well, is not heavy... Now, Priest and Maiden are really the thing but you see... the revolution of metal happens in the 80's... maybe Sabbath was the first metal band, but it sound very soft nowadays don't you think... I mean... Metal has become a lot louder this days, of course there are some mommy whommy metal bands but in this case, I do believe that the older guys do not stand DT for their heavieness... but OK... I take it back... In this site there's people who don't give enough value to metal... but the younger generations are really pushing them up... is that better...???
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:46 |
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"already"? They've been around now as long as King Crimson had been around when DT started. 22 years is a long time there, peeps.
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