DT... already a prog legend?
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Topic: DT... already a prog legend?
Posted By: crimson87
Subject: DT... already a prog legend?
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 17:15
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Lately I have been listening to DT for hours and hours and I realized that I can be considered a fan of the band. Three years ago , I couldn't understand what the fuss was about with this group. But now they are one of the ones that I listen the most.
The question is , when we always talk about the prog giants we always mention: Yes , Genesis , KC , ELP , Tull and Rush. They all had their prime in the 70's and some like Rush and KC recorded good material in the 80's (KC always released good records to my ears) The point is , can't DT be considered into this group as well? Some of my reasons that could stand this statement are the following:
I know there are loads of DT threads but probably my question was worth opening one. |
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Posted By: Mind_Drive
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 17:38
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I think they should be in the group of prog legends for the reason you mentioned! the newer genre of prog metal needs to have at least one band considered to be one of progs giant´s.. and wich band is more qualified for this honor than DT? so DT is a legend, at least for me  ------------- It's just a ride... <3 |
Posted By: MysticDreams2331
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:27
| I also have thought this for awhile. Especially when you mention the recent output. People seem to be incredibly harsh on DT's newer albums but if you look at almost all of the other greats they all reached a certain level of mediocrity later in their career. To be honest I think the new DT stuff is more valid and true to their roots than most other groups. Also, no one can deny the impact of the first half of their career on prog metal and their concerts are some of the best around. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:44
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If not now, for sure in a few years. In prog-metal at least, they are THE legend.... ------------- 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:50
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I think the fact they were not only commercial but are arguably the most important band to prog music in the 1990's means they are certainly legends. We may not all like them, and I dont consider them amongst my favourites anymore, but no one can deny the impact they have had and continue to have. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:55
| Well, you all know that I'm no DT fan, but denying their influence on the whole prog-metal scene would be downright ridiculous. In my reviewing activity I've come across a number of bands whose music had 'DT' written all over it, and I believe the number is much larger than I can even imagine. Therefore, like it or not, they are well on their way to becoming a prog legend. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:57
 Courage is the mark of legends...  -------------
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Raff wrote:Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 18:59
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Hi,
I think the output itself is fabulous ... and while not many people can give them credit, if there are any doubts about the musicianship ... grab the album with the orchestra ... because that is hard and unreal ... and it not only takes guts and ability ... it takes believing in your music and your work ...
... and that ... is usually the definition of great musicianship ... and I hope that it lives past my lifetime and then some ... make their name bigger still. There is a lot of music to be had out there ... and they know it. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:12
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They are definitely already a prog legend for all the points you mentioned. Images & Words, Awake, and Scenes From A Memory are all prog-metal classics. 20 years from now, I guarantee they will be THE representative prog band of the 1990's/2000's. -Jeff ------------- 
Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 20:55
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I was watching the 20th anniversary documentary on the Score DVD last night, and it made me respect DT's achievements all the more. These guys have developed a huge fan following, had hit albums, toured worldwide, sold out arenas; and all virtually without any support from radio or the press. Not only this, but they are bigger now, more than two decades into their career, and still growing in popularity. How many bands can you say this of, 20 years into their career? And they had so many setbacks. Line up changes, being dumped by record labels, no support from labels, people trying to compromise their music. There's so many points when they could have chucked in the towel. But they stayed true to their beliefs and finally made a big success of themselves. Good on them. I think they deserve to be considered a prog legend. They do want they want to do, not what some suit at a record company tells them to. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:40
I don't really know these DT's music, but hey, promoting them to prog legend, why not? Do they get some kind of prize or statuette for that? Personally I'm starting to get very afraid of exploring artists with big discographies. 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 21:52
| Yeah, I guess wether you like them or not, they do have become legends. I myself like their music very much. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:13
| I think at least purely on the strength of Images & Words and Awake, they should be considered as such. I don't like most of their post Moore efforts but these are awesome. Also, their Live At The Marquee really does flatten many legendary live prog albums by the masters...sorry, and this is coming from someone who definitely sides with the masters. |
Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 07:20
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Yep they are. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 Colt - Admin Team MMA 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 08:50
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Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:10
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple  ... Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden any day ! |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:24
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:39
| As others have stated more eloquently: I'm not a big DT fan, although there are some songs that are really amazing, but they are legendary no doubt. Very influential and an important band in prog. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:41
Yes... yesterday I read one review of yours in that matter... but com'n... Sabbath is not metal... or well, is not heavy... Now, Priest and Maiden are really the thing but you see... the revolution of metal happens in the 80's... maybe Sabbath was the first metal band, but it sound very soft nowadays don't you think... I mean... Metal has become a lot louder this days, of course there are some mommy whommy metal bands but in this case, I do believe that the older guys do not stand DT for their heavieness... but OK... I take it back... In this site there's people who don't give enough value to metal... but the younger generations are really pushing them up... is that better...??? ------------- |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:46
| "already"? They've been around now as long as King Crimson had been around when DT started. 22 years is a long time there, peeps. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:47
| Loudness = / = Heaviness. Sabbath is definitely metal and imo more metal than a lot of DT. Lately, DT do have a lot of metal in their music but much of it has simply been prog rock with metallic riffs, which is not quite the same thing as metal. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:48
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Prog is a narrow category these days so it's easy to say that absolutely DT is one of the legends. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:50
| Just for the record: I didn't mention Sabbath, nor do I think they are metal - they're much more than that. Anyway, if you think music should be defined by loudness, I am afraid we're never going to agree... What so much prog-metal lacks these days is not volume, but sheer power. Black Sabbath may sound soft to your ears, but I'd urge you to give a listen to stuff like "War Pigs" or "Symptom of the Universe", and then you might revise your judgment. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:53
| Indeed Symptom of the Universe is one of the most killer riffs, strikes terror and sends shivers down my spine everytime I hear it. DT have NEVER written a riff that memorable, not even Metropolis. Sorry, I don't like to be defending Sabbath in a thread about DT but my hand is forced. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:00
In that I totally agree... there's some spontaneous energy and originality that is almost impossible to reach these days... but... DT is one of those bands who really have it... Memorable riffing...??? Dream Theater have enough... and I think all of us knows what songs are they...!!! ------------- |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:05
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I don't particularly like the band much. In fact I can't stand their music. But ANYONE who has at least an ounce of prog knowledge has to appreciate that they did solidify Progressive Metal as a genre, and they did earn the genre a lot of respect, so kudos to them.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:21
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I've got four DT albums, and whilst I would never state that I am an adoring fan of the band, no one with an inkling of prog knowledge could deny that they are probably THE leading exponents of the genre right now, both commercially and through media statements. All respect to a bunch of latter day legends ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:34
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for me.... I'll be around to be proven wrong if I am.. but don't think I am. we have celebrated the likes of Yes, Genesis, ELP for 30 years now... in 30 years... people will say DT?.. who? ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 12:53
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i read some post and i think that Sabbath has many many excellents riffs and heavyness that many bands lacks today. I add that also the Sabbath music have a density and a depth that others bands lacks.
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:46
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R.E Sabbath: Not only are they definitely metal, they pretty much started the whole damned genre! Just about every metal group that followed owes something to Sabbath. About them not being heavy, well its all contextual. Imagine being there in the late sixties, with hippies singing about peace and love. Then these doom and gloom merchants come along, and scare the hipsters and the establishment s&*%less with their terrifyingly heavy, bluesy sound. The song 'Black Sabbath' still freaks me out to this day! Back on topic, DT are legends of the prog genre. They have done a lot for prog. Aside from being revolutionary in the prog metal subgenre, they go out of their way to help champion fellow bands that may not have got the same success they have (Pain of Salvation, Beardfish, Bigelf, etc). You must credit them for this, even if you're not a fan. I respect them for sticking to their beliefs, and doing what they want to do, even back in the nineties when prog was completely not in fashion. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:53
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The thing about DT is that I don't think any band has had quite a monopoly or a stranglehold on prog quite like what DT has had for the past 15-20 years. They've really kinda been THE prog band of the 90s and 00s, as I believe Jeff noted earlier. For that reason, I don't think we have any choice but to look back at this time and crown them as the kings of current prog. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:54
That's true. In 20 years, Yes had gone from Yes! to Big Generator. Pink Floyd had gone from Piper At the Gates... to A Momentary Lapse of Reason. 20 years is a long time, at least in the fickle entity known as the music business, folks. DT still get treated like a recent phenomenon. They've been at the game for quite some time. In fact, I think they are nearly eligible for the Rock and Roll Hame of Fame (isn't the cut off point 25 years or something? Not that they'll ever get into that joke of an establishment). They are indeed worthy of prog legend status. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:56
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I don't see how anybody can say that DT is not a legend, and I am not a fan of them at all. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:11
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To be fair, DT has been "celebrated" in the sense that they continue to be talked about and respected (for their influence, even if you don't enjoy their music) for 18 years already (if you count since Images and Words)... and they've managed to stay arguably more consistent than some of the other "legends" we recognize. I apologize for the terrible run-on sentence ^ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:12
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If one means by legend, "a romanticized or popularized myth of modern times", then....
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:38
| I'm not a big DT fan but they are prog legends. Not legends generally- they're not a household name and I doubt they ever will be- but they have cast a huge shadow over prog and so are definitely prog legends whether you like them or not. |
Posted By: Angel of Death
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 13:17
Sabbath not heavy??? I'd go as far as saying the Black Sabbath album is one of the heaviest albums ever made. Being loud, or fast, or having screaming in your music doesn't make it heavy. The slow, doomy style they use is far more brutal and mosh-worthy than all those bands that think they are heavy just because they turn their amps way up and use cookie monster growls.
On topic, I'd say that Dream Theater will without a doubt be known as legends one day, but don't you think it's a bit early? When I think of legends, I think of bands that made great music back in their day, but are no longer in existence/no longer producing quality music. I'd like they have another great album or two in them, don't you?
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 13:46
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To say Dream Theater are not legends is blasphemy.
In fact, 'legends' really is an understatement as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 13:50
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I have time for Dream Theater. They're a great band, especially live, but I personally dont hold them in the same legendary esteem, as Genesis, Yes, Crimson et al. The main reason for this, is the legendary prog bands of old, were unique. Nothing like their music had gone before. Dream Theater, on the other hand wear their influences on their sleeve, to the point of playing covers for encores.
I would argue that The Mars Volta are more deserving of such a title. I'm not running Dream Theater down, they're one of the bands that keep the prog flag flying high, and track for track, I think I enjoy them more than TMV. But legends? No, not really. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:14
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DT are not legends. To quote Miles Davis - "A legend is an old man (or band in this case) with a cane known for what he used to do. I'm still doing it." sure some may say DT are not what they used to be, but their last 10 years have been more successful overall than their first 10 years. SDOIT has many mixed reviews, but true fans will tell you it's one of their best. Octavarium (song) is highly regarded as the band's best song ever. BC&SL has some of the best reviews for a DT album since SFAM or SDOIT. Some think it's one of their best albums, I think so myself. their other albums, though flawed, also contain some of their best material. The band has not stopped evolving and experimenting with their sound since their first album, always staying progressive, complex, and doing what they want to do without compromising their own music for the sake of record companies or whatever. how many classic prog bands could you say stuff like that about after the 70s? most of those bands were about 10 years old by the time 1980 rolled around. theyd be legends if they broke up after Awake, or sometime before 1998. no doubt. and for sure if they broke up after SFAM. but they havent stopped. so they are not legends... ...they are just legendary! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:49
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I think it's interesting how many posts in here start with "I don't like them, but to argue that they are not legendary...". I wonder how that will effect their actual legendary status? In thirty years, will people on progarchives be talking about the glory days of Dream Theater? Will reviews on progarchives often say "Like Dream Theater with a mix of..." the way that reviews nowadays often compare with Genesis, Yes, Tull, Floyd, etc? For sure, they have their fans, but they have many non-fans too. When I think of bands like Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, etc., they were genre defining, but they are also looked upon by lovers of the genre with reverence. I feel that, while Dream Theater does get a lot of reverence, they also get a lot of indifference or distate, surely more so than the '70s classic bands.
The genre of prog is hugely vast, and I think that DT has a lot of fans that aren't fans of the genre, which makes them seem bigger than perhaps they would otherwise. So for prog in general - I'd say that they are less legends than the bands we commonly perceive as legends. Legends of prog metal, but perhaps not prog in general. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:55
Very good insights here . However, I believe a lot depends on how prog will develop in the coming years. If, as this site and others seem to show, prog-metal will turn into the dominant subgenre, then DT will inevitably become the yardstick on which new bands are judged. Nowadays, their influence is huge, but - as you pointed out in the last paragraphs - limited to bands and artists that can be labeled as 'traditional' prog-metal. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 15:57
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Listeners on Last.fm: Yes - 515,869 King Crimson - 264,697 Genesis - 661,229 Rush - 529,675 ...Dream Theater - 589,354 Now obviously last.fm is skewed for younger music fans, just as Internet usage is skewed more heavily toward younger people. But compare that to other famous current-day prog acts: Marillion - 278,386 Pain of Salvation - 189,747 Who here doesn't consider Marillion a legend? Or at least vastly influential, important to prog, etc.? This isn't scientific or anything, just a curiosity. There's not doubt that Dream Theater is at least as influential as Marillion, perhaps even more so than the big prog acts of the 70s. What more do you want out of a legend? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 16:37
To the topic...if I think about the word "legend" I would have to say no...They are not a prog legend. Legend refers to a story that may have been handed down from the past or possibly of myth or a "legendary tale".
Obviously DT is for real.......don't get me wrong as I understand what the OP is asking/meaning in the question. If I think about that, I don't put DT in the same category as Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Beatles, Eric Clapton.......who in my mind changed the face of music and are "legendary performers"
.So I have to wait to give DT such an enormous title..I think they are amazing at what they do....but not "legendary"...... -------------   
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 16:51
From the Zune Marketplace, total plays to date since about Nov 2006.
KC - 455,525
J Tull - 2,432,528
Genesis - 4,004,719
Yes - 2,302,939
Rush - 11,177,252
PF - 26,556,803
DT - 4,900,092
Metallica - 49,765,843
Linkin Park - 83,177,231
This tells me young kids do not listen to older prog, classic rock. And agree this is skewed to the teenybop metal heads as last.fm is. -------------
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 18:30
Well said about the longevity issue. Most of the 70s bands were not at their peak, creatively or popularity-wise, more than 10 years into their career. DT have become bigger in the second half of their career. It's almost unprecedented. Many have argued about the quality of their post- Metropolis part 2 output. I don't agree. I loved SDOIT (especially disc 2, which sounds even more incredible live with the Octavarium Orchestra!); loved the heavier approach of Train of Thought; thought Octavarium (the song and the album) was one of the best pieces of music they've ever written, and thought the most recent two were decent, if not quite classic, albums. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 18:37
You're right about DT having as many naysayers as they do hardcore fans. But isn't this true of any prog band, really? I know there isn't much argument about the legendary status of Floyd, Genesis, Yes, etc on this site. But outside of prog circles, I assure you, there's a lot of Yes or ELP detractors. DT are in the awkward position of perhaps being too metal for the progheads, and too prog for the metalheads. You either get it or you don't. Since I enjoy both prog and metal, I appreciate what they do with their music, and consider myself a fan. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 18:39
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A prog legend? No, only WILLOW playing a Hammond is...
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 19:43
This. It's not like they're a spanking new band. And yes they are prog legends if you consider their brand of music prog. They serve as the "gateway" to introducing many, many people to the wider prog universe, and remain one of the favorites among young and old on this site and in prog fandom in general. That I think they've suffered a massive decline in quality over the past several years doesn't change this fact. |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 21:54
That's kind of my point though - are they legends of prog? Should the fact that they have large appeal be what matters, or should it be how they are viewed by those who have broad knowledge of the genre? Some combo of both? Neither?
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:07
Nice to meet you over here. Interesant point of view yours about progmetal. I think is the gem of the METAL scene now. Katatonia, Redemption, Simphony X and many others bands drink from the DT rivers...
But nobody can forget that prog-metal is a sprig of that huge prog tree that is CLASSIC PROG ROCK, as progjazz, jam bands with prog bunches, symphonic, krautrock, etc etc...
Prog-metal isn´t for good the future of PROG. Actually prog rock is at hospital as the sounds of the magic 70s hard rock or blues rock. The 80s changed many more things that Nirvana made in 90s.
Excuse me for my humble English- Uriah Heep said.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:30
The lover / detractors thing reminds me a lot about ELP, which is hailed by many and hated by others, to the point they don't get many good ratings in Prog Archives. About having many fans outside prog, that reminds me of Pink Floyd, which have reached their legendary status I guess more because of their huge non-prog fanbase than from proggers. However, as a matter of fact, I don't think their fanbase is so much Metal-Heads either: on the concert I attended from them, I didn't see almost any All Black clad metalhead, while on concerts from other Metal bands those would be about all the crowd they would gather. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 12:53
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I think it´s fair to call DT legends of prog. Whether you like their music or not, they have been charting for the last decade making them one of the only prog bands in recent times to do so apart for PT and what Transatlantic? I am certainly not their biggest fan, but thinking about how MANY people out there, who got loured into this strange world of insane and beautiful music, - I´d say the phrase is legit. They´ve ignited the spark - much like Marillion did in the early eighties. Prog legends are also a label you can stick on an artist you don´t care for.. |
Posted By: eddiefang
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 16:46
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Of course! They have been a legend for some time now, and remember that they have carried the progressive flag long before it was considered one of the current "main influences" for some of the newer bands not necessarily associated with prog! Long live Dream Theater!
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 17:05
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Yeah. I look through this thread, and I see unanimous agreement, and I must confess that there is a part of me that instantly wants to play devil's advocate. Despite this, I can't quite bring myself to do it. I don't really care much for Dream Theater anymore, and I haven't got very much good to say about their music, but their influence is undeniable and they have completely transformed the face of prog. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 19:38
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If you need to ask this question...I have doubts that the are a legend, but if you still ask it and there's not an almost unanimous yes, they can't be Prog legends. Nobody will ask if Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, PFM, etc are legends, because it's accepted as a tautology, and the road is very hard for DT:
Bands like Yes and Genesis have lost their best lineup at least 35 years ago, and still are icons, King Crimson has changed more lineups than I changed underwear, and still icons, Genesis doesn't release a Prog album in 32 years (As a afactthe don't exist anymore) and still have a Prog fanbase. Pink Floyd has lost 2 key members, probably Waters and Gilmour won't ever play again together...But still people talk about tem That's being a legend Dream Theater had ups and downs, but mostly get massive attention only when they are about to release an album. They are great musicians (I don't like their music, but going to see them next March, probably will buy the ticketts 20 minutes before the concert when they are sold at 50% of the cost), but being great musicians is not enough, this guys still have to pass the test of time 20 yers since their first release, is probably too soon for this guys, there are instant legends, DT is not one of them. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 20:35
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^ I´m OK with all you have exposed here. But... are we rating their legendary suposse because of their sales and impact in 20 years with no legends in prog and counting their commercial success overall, OR are we truely rating their global musical impact and composition qualities which are more important?? For me they are a prog masters, no more. Legends, never. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:00
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I think the 70s/80s bias of a lot of guys on this site may be hurting DT's chances of being hailed a prog legend. I mean, the classic bands like Floyd, Yes, etc, etc are never debated as being classic or not here. DT are disputed here, let alone outside PA. Even on metal sites, there's as many DT haters as there are diehard fans. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:08
1. Fair enough, although that doesn't necessarily keep them from being legends. 2. Support? I could argue that a very high percentage of Progheads do consider them prog. Hell I could state that a very high percentage of Progheads are members of the Russian mafia and spend their spare time doing coke and offing offensive politicians. Doesn't mean anything unless you can back it up. 3. I agree with this (their top rated album, IAW, is ranked significantly lower on the site than albums by other, non-legendary bands such as Anglagard, Camel and Harmonium) but to me the reason why they are legendary has less to do with their actual output and more to do with the impact they've had on the prog scene. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:12
I consider plenty of their albums gems of Progressive Rock. Clearly no one else agrees with me...  ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
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Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:29
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:42
I hope those words weren´t dedicated to me.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 05:58
| You know, there is a simple fact of life - the further back in time you are, the more you're likely to become a legend. This is not only true in the world of prog, but for the arts in general, including literature. So, I am not surprised people consider the classic bands of the Seventies as legends, while DT still haven't reached that status in the eyes of many. In my opinion, there are many more reason than just this one, but it may very well be that DT will manage to stand the test of time, and in 2030 be hailed in the same way as Yes or Genesis are nowadays. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:10
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Well... I don't know guys but... did Genesis were a leyend during the 80's? of course not... especially when they were publishing their pop material... they have to stay a litle bit more to be consider a total legend... so, that's what happen with DT right now and in this site... Raff is right... of course DT is not in the level of Pink Floyd BUT PF is no more... so, there's no rules about how many years you have to be there... is just that your influence will remain evident on the genre... and since 10 or 15 years ago, DT label is all there... we have to wait a little more but the most probable is that they will be more famous when they stop playing... that's a common thing to happen... we miss them more when they are gone... ------------- |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:58
I believe your comparison is absurd and even offensive, most of our members are not even for Russia, and would be stupid to even say that most Russians are part of the Mafia.
But let's go to the backup: I say that A GOOD NUMBER of Progheads here don't consider DT Prog:
Read:
As you see, I always back up what I say. I'm not sure if they are Prog or not, but give them the benefit of the doubt, well at least I admit Ruddess and Portnoy have also played in Prog bands (don't know about Myung and Petrucci and don't care about La'Brie). Iván -------------
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 09:32
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Ivan
Firstly you state: I say that A GOOD NUMBER of Progheads here don't consider DT Prog:
In the thread for point 1: 98% of pollers consider DT prog.
In the thread for point 2, I fail to see where anyone (let alone a good percentage) say they are not Prog. Maybe Certif1ed but I think he was just having a laugh.
They may not have been the best threads to choose to back up what you say.
oh and btw they are MOST definitely prog IMO.
If not, I may as well leave this forum and site now, together with all the other metalheads and genuine people with open minds ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 Colt - Admin Team MMA
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:01
This pises me, when people use the word "open minded" to describe other people who agree with them, prove how limited is their perspective........In other words or you accept what I believe or you are a close minded.
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I'm not sure if DT is Prog, but as I say, I give them the benefit of the doubt, but if people believe they are not Prog...Well, they are entitleds to their opinion even if we don't share it, but the kit is that you don't have the ruight to call them close minded because they have adifferent perception of reality than you. Learn to accept what others believe as they accept your position.
Plus you are making the point of those ho don't believe DT is Prog...You say you will leave with all the other metalheads if some people believe DT is not Prog.
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:08
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I thinki we are discussing two different things...
first, DT is prog... just see how is called their special tour "Progressive Nation" in which they pick other prog bands to play with them... it was easier for them to do a "Metal Nation"? the fact that in this site there are a few or a lot of people doubting of their progressivenessless is really out of the discussion... I don't think Radiohead is prog but is already in this site and I will stay with that...
second, the impact of the band in the prog world is already there, with the thousand of prog metal bands that are a complete sub genre in this site besides of all the contributions of each member of DT have bring out each time... so... I think you are starting to discussing something that is not matter of this thread...
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:10
Not right Progmetalhead
1% considers them Prog (exclusively)
1% Consuiders thjem Metal exclusively
40.91% Considers them PROG with Metal elements
54.55% Considers them METAL with Prog elements
Being Metal MAINLY with Prog elements doesn't mean the are Prog, many 70's POP, Rock and whatever bands have Prog elements, but are not here.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:18
No, it isn't...If a representative number of fans of Progressive Rock doesn't even consider them Prog, they can hardly be a legend of Prog, because people is not certain about their identity.
Gabriel Genesis is a Prog Legend, Hackett & Collins Genesis is a Prog legend, The trio is hardly a Prog legend, because despite many people believe ATTW3 and Duke are Prog, many other people (Me included) believe Genesis became POP after W&W.
Many bands and artists had imnpact in Prog world, like Hendrix, The Beaytles and Miles Davis, the are here, but hardly considered Prog legends, They may be Rock, Pop or Jazz legends but never Progressive Rock legends, and I'm sure at least Beatles and Davis had a bigger impact in Prog than DT.
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:21
You've obviously had a bad day Ivan 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:25
Iván [/QUOTE]
basically yes... I was wondering with myself and get to that conclussion... I don't believe in democracy so... my opinion should be the one that counts...
I don't get your argumentation about Genesis... I mean, I don't understand it... there can be a prog legend that had 10 years of not been prog...? in that case, Genesis is not a legend because was mainly pop during the 80's... right...?
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 11:56
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Sorry, duplicate post
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 11:57
I respect your opibnion, but don't share it, I believe that the status of Prog Legend needs almost unanimous support, and I'm sure DT doesn't have it.
Of course I'm trying to give reasons why I don't agree.
I see it different, I see Genesis at least as 2 different bands that share the name for economic reasons.
Until Hackett left they are a Prog legend
From there on, they were a POP legend.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:05
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And for that we respect your opinion Ivan, but for many post Hackett albums Genesis were still very much prog to certain members of the forum here. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:08
That's my problem... for you it's a different band.. but for legacy meaning, Genesis is the prog and pop one... so... I seriously doubt they can recieve the united support... so... ------------- |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:08
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^Thank you Ivan. You've just made it clear that you don't want metal in your site. Of course, if you say DT is not prog-metal, then we pretty much can eliminate a whole subgenre. As I assume that if you had heard some extreme/technical metal you would say the same, probably we might as well do what I've always though was the sanest thing to do: Partition the site.
One thing is to say DT are not legends... I agree (time hasn't passed yet). But to deny their importance in prog.. in prtogressive metall... that almost reeks of ignorance.
Damn there was a reason I only came to this forum for non-musical discussions nowadays... It's clear people here don't want us in this website.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:09
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Dream Theater (DT) may not be my cup of T, but I consider the band to be a Progressive Metal legend (legend in the sense of the OP), Magma a Zeuhl legend, Miles Davis a Fusion and jazz legend, Soft Machine a Canterbury Scene legend, Henry Cow a RIO legend etc. ELP is also not really my cup of tea these days, but a legend of Progressive Rock -- certainly. I do think that DT is Prog, and I haven't noted that questioned in the past, though I have seen questions raised about how truly progressive the band is. EDIT: Actually, I have seen it questioned whether Progressive Metal is truly Prog, but I don't make the distinction some do between metal and rock (I look at metal as subset of rock music -- or hard rock music). Now the fabled Stin Kee is a different kind of legend (who never really received legendary status as his faux exploits are so unknown to all but this writer, so unlike the legendary King Arthur who may have existed in some form or may not have existed but gained mythical status). Stin Kee -- Progressive Flatulist The legendary Stin Kee is practically (myself excluded) unknown in progressive music circles. Art is three-quarters fart, and he knew how to put the fart in art. He was a man before his time, and should be recognised as a leading figure in Proto-Progressive Flatulism (it's a shame that Fart Rock is not a recognised category at this site -- too anal perhaps). I hope to rectalfy this situation with a glorious epic production shot in smell-O-vision that pays tribute to a this great and inspirational Canadian entertainer that has indirectly inspired such bands as Air Supply and Visible Wind. Truly, he is the wind beneath my wings. First off; some background historical info. A Fragrant Art In the 1950s, the advent of home television led to declining cinema audiences. In a desperate search for gimmicks to lure people back to the cinema, movie theatres experimented with a whole range of gimmicks, from tremOrama (which was on shaky ground) to Smell-O-Rama. With Smell-O-Rama, the odours were circulated through the air ventilation units. This technique was first used in the Mickey Mouse cult classic, "Who Cut the Cheese? " (perhaps DT will dispense with LaBrie at some time at which time a documentary will be made called "Why Cut LaBrie?"). Part 1: The Life and Times of Stin Kee: aka the Rise and Fall and Rise and Fall Again of a Canadian Legend Stin Keizerensteinemen was born in Eastern Europe in 1892 to a poor gypsy circus family. They migrated to British Columbia, Canada in 1896, anglicized their family name to Kee, and quickly found success on the Vancouver vaudeville circuit, delighting dozens. Stin had a troubled childhood; he suffered from severe gastro-intestinal problems. However, the family used Stin's ailment to their advantage. In 1898 they brought him into the show, where he performed as a flatulence artist. Stin Kee's performance became widely renowned, and people would travel from as far away as Burnaby (a municipality about a ten minute drive from downtown Vancouver) to catch his act. As Stin's fame increased, he dumped his family, took on a solo career, and entertained thousands at venues such as Carnegie Hall, the Royal Albert Hall, the Commodore Ballroom, and Zellers. Unfortunately, with the advent of moving pictures and its increasing popularity, people became less interested in vaudeville. Stin Kee's career languished and his health deteriorated. In the 1940s, with the popularity of Glen Miller, Stin Kee reinvented himself as the big band leader of Stin Kee's Big Wind Orchestra to rave reviews. However, the pressure of performing became too much for Stin Kee's intestines, and he was confined to hospital for many years in a well ventilated room. Never-the-less, he managed to make some progressive should-be classic covers during his bed-ridden period, including a backside version of Bach's "Air on the G-String" as well as explosive versions of both Focus' and ELP's "Eruption." It's not surprising, as farting around is common to progressive Rock. Despite his poor health, Stin Kee lived into his nineties and died an old fart. Part 2: The Return of Stin Kee: Get your stinkin' beaver paws off me! aka The Beaver Warriors Now for some speculation:This hasn't happened yet, of course, but I think it's fair to speculate with recent developments such as GMB (genetically modified beavers) that this might happen at some time. I propose this prognostication as a dramatization of probable future events. At the very least, one could consider this a beaver cautionary tale. The year is 2018 and most of the world's petroleum deposits have dried up. The world's economies and governments have collapsed, and territories are ruled by ruthless semi-intelligent beavers ... the humans are enslaved. Dam those beavers! The beavers, who are in control of the last remaining and almost depleted petroleum reserves, rule the world by recklessly driving around in fast cars and motorcycles -- not only does this terrify and shame the human males into submission, but the beavers fast cars ensure that they pick up all the hottest chicks... Whilst chewing through a few old books, a group of bogus beaver historians encounter the story of Stin Kee, and, for no reason whatsoever -- other than they find anything to do with flatulence hilarious and they like to hang around in beaver bars -- they tell a group of beavers they met at a bar about it. By a most extraordinarily convenient, and ridiculous plot device, the beavers they inform just happen to be semi-brilliant rogue scientists who specialise in alternative fuel sources. The semi-smart beaver scientists develop a hypothesis which turns out to be completely wrong, but that's another story. ... skip six months and fifty pages to The Gas Chamber... With the help of the historians they find Stin Kee's air-tight tomb where he lies perfectly preserved in his own gasses. Using semi-super beaver science they rejuvenate and revive him. They force him to power a really fast natural gas vehicle. He who controls the gas gets the chicks (or more aptly beavers) and rules the world! When the other beavers see how fast the rogue beavers can drive, they fall off their feet in wonder and fear, and naturally they pledge allegiance to the their new masters superior torque and power. However, Stin Kee eventually kills his enslavers (the details are unimportant, but it involves removing his tail-pipe) and comes to rule the world and get all the hottest chicks. And he lives happily ever after. The end! Or is it? We can only hope. *Notes: Stin Kee is a "legend," in much the same way that King Arthur is, and even more like he isn't. And like the legend of King Arthur of Camelot, the legend of Stin Kee Fartur of Toot-a-lot is shrouded in an air of mystery. But unlike Arthur, the legend of Stin Kee is also shrouded in an air of stench. And that's what makes him so special! He deserves a big-budget smell-o-rama feature film as a tribute to all those who have lifted our spirits with their sweet effluvia. copyright Logan Productions, all rights reserved No beavers were harmed in the making of this story. So, assuming Stin Kee existed, would there be any case for his inclusion in the archives as a Progressive fartist? 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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:24
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Why always take poor old Genesis for examples??
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 12:28
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 15:14
Please don't change what I said
Do please, read what I say, and what I said is that it pisses me when people write that they will go with the real open minded people only because somebody disagrees with them.
Please, READ WHAT I SAID:
That was my argument, and you are here enough time to remember how many members have said DT is not Prog (I never did), people like Certifi1ed or The Baldies among many others pointing this is not lying, it's presenting an argument....Some fans of Progressive Rock (Again not me), believe DT is not Prog.
That's why I said and that's one of the reasons I believe Dream Theater is not accepted enough to be considered a legend of Progressive Rock.
So please, stick to what I said, and if you want to call me ignorant, do it for what I said, not for what you dreamed I said.
Great, play the victim.....Tell that to ELP fans, an iconic band and beyond any doubt a legend of Prog,. that is attacked constantly, but their fans don't play the victim..
First you invent things I never said
Now you claim people don't want you here.
Nobody has said DT is a bad band or they don't belong here, some people said "They (me included) don't believe Dream Theater is not a Preog legend, maybe a Metal legend, but still not achieved that status in my opinion.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:00
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Ivan, Dream Theater IS a progressive metal band, and it's almost absurd to deny that. If they aren't progressive metal what is? It's alright that you don't think they're legends, but to deny that the leaders of prog-metal since 1992 aren't even prog is pretty questionable.
Keep in mind that Certif1ed believes that Metallica is a FULL-BLOWN prog metal band, yet he will deny Opeth and Dream Theater as being progressive metal. We shouldn't rely on an opinion like that.
This is a very false statement. This is essentially saying that all Dream Theater fans play the victim, but ABSOLUTELY NO ELP fans play the victim? We get it Ivan - you hate Dream Theater, and we're aware of that. But that doesn't mean that you have to attack their fanbase AND deny that they're even progressive (which is rather absurd). How can Symphony X and Pain of Salvation be progressive metal, but Dream Theater is not? -Jeff -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:11
*sigh*
In turn: 1. Genesis, Yes, Kansas, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Rush, Porcupine Tree, Jethro Tull, and ELP are not exclusively prog, so I don't see how this matters. 2. Which "progheads?" And what percentage? And why does this matter? 3. According to whom? And what exactly is a "definitive gem?" ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:17
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One thing is sure. Dream Theatre manage to stir emotions and trigger deviating opinions! I think that alone makes them quite legendary. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:25
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Posted By: pr@halfpastfour
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:32
legend or no legend- they are great! ------------- www.halfpastfour.com http://www.paperplanemusic.ca/ |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:35
Possibly the problem is not DT music itself, but DT cult as behavior, point of view,etc. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:38
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:39
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The two all time highest rated prog-metal albums on PA are by Dream Theater, but I suppose that's not "definitive gem" enough if you don't like them.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:47
1. There is an agreement that you don't agree with (if that makes sense) 2. They're irrelevent. 3. That definitely does give us an indication - against you. The 2 top rated progressive metal albums are BOTH Dream Theater, and the next closest is pretty far behind. -------------
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:49
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:50
I don't think it matters if there's "agreement" or not- the music can speak for itself. More than half of ELP's music is not prog, yet for some reason, they are regarded as prog legends (I myself wouldn't debate this- just pointing it out)- pick any song at random, and you will likely get a terrible pop song. But perhaps you are not listening to much Dream Theater, my friend? I see that of the 667 ratings and reviews of Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory, yours is not one of them- I'd be interested to read what you'd have to say.Better yet, pick on Images & Words, since I don't like that album. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:52
Why do you suppose it is they get so much grief on this site....Grant it I don't Forum on any other music sites, so maybe I am the ignorant one??
 I read a lot of reviews and even though I don't base music purchases by them, I do find the information interesting. Pretty much everything I have read is very positive about DT releases.....One source I pay ZERO attention to is Rolling Stone Magazine....Maybe that's where all the bashing is coming from...dunno -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 16:53
You make a point for me.
You mention them as PROG albums and it's enough..
When you talk about DT, you need to mention Prog Metal, because like it or not, Prog Metal is almost a different world than most Progressive Rock, a sub-genre for a limited group of Progressive Rock listeners, with almost as much detractors as fans.
Their situation is absolutely different, they can be great, but if you are not a Metal listener, hardly you would like them, in the other cases I mentioned, it's enough to be a Prog listener to at least agree are icons of the genre.
Iván
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:00
Just because Prog Metal isn't Prog Rock, that doesn't mean that the Prog part is out or diminished.
What, because there's a limited group of listeners that enjoy Prog Metal it means it's less Prog or it can't fully be considered Prog, because you have to clarify that it's Prog Metal?
 If that's the case, then the subgenres RIO/Avant, Prog Electronic, Indo/Raga, Post Rock, and so on, can't be called ''Prog'' solely because they're "almost a different world that most Progressive Rock". What is ''most of Prog Rock" by the way? Symphonic? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:01
That doesn't matter in the least. Why doesn't it? Simple: "Prog" doesn't sound like anything. Metal sounds like something. Folk sounds like something. Electronic sounds like something. These genres can be prog or not. Prog has little to do with sound and much more to do with composition. In other words, one could take a Dream Theater composition and do it in the style of, say, Genesis, and you'd still have a prog song. The method of delivery does not dilute the composition. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:08
I will place big fonts, because despite I said it repeatedly, seems people tend to change my words
I also said that Prog Metal is a different world inside Prog universe....Please, they are the only casethat has three sub-genres.
Exclusively a Prog Metal legend...most likely, probably a Metal legend, but not a Prog legend as the started asked.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:08
Definitely, but according to Iván, just because you have to mention that 'method of delivery' and not solely Prog, then it's definitely not the "Prog that abounds" thus not really Prog. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:14
NEVER SAID PROG METAL IS NOT PROG
FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:14
I don't really understand your point Ivan. Still if we're talking about Genesis, YES, etc., I would like to point out that the "legendary" status in Symphonic Prog, Eclectic Prog or Space Rock is shared by many great bands, DT have contributed to the creation of a genre and have dominated it in a way which no other major bad that you mention from the 70s ever did with their own genre. That is why I think that even though I don't like their music, their legendary status is maybe even stronger than that of the many of the classic bands. |