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Ancient Troubadour 
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 Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:44 |
 Darklord55 wrote:
I recently discovered that G.F. Handel wrote a few organ concertos. WOW! I cant' stop listening. Very Proggy!!  |
Names, serial numbers?? Recommendations! I must listen to these babies myself.
Going thru a Hammond Phase, y'see.... my improv sounds a bit Bach like (or Vince Crane, perhaps!) a bit of Handel ought to do me good.
Thanks a bunch.... -Brendooooon
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:48 |
I save my sympathies for "Prog" fans who just don't. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Ancient Troubadour
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 18:05 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I save my sympathies for "Prog" fans who just don't.
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Don't progress, d'ye mean?
Getting old is a sort of progression. I wonder if that counts?
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Guitar1Jesse
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Posted: November 24 2009 at 18:09 |
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I am unattracted to songs about riding in the car with your homies ready to party, or a song about the party, or a song about the girls at that party. It's all too obvious to me. I don't like songs that are rediculously relatable either, like A LOT of country music. I seek music that has more under surface. Something that'll get you thinking analytically, not just about your ex girlfriend or the party you were at last week. That is why I prefer prog, because it "progresses" past the obvious and brings on new wonderment and critical thought. Of course there are always exceptions.
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Take a few minutes and listen to this!
http://www.myspace.com/jlangmusic
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Dorsalia
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 05:36 |
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Yes, I do.
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"Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls."
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 06:44 |
Guitar1Jesse wrote:
I am unattracted to songs about riding in the car with your homies ready to party, or a song about the party, or a song about the girls at that party. It's all too obvious to me. I don't like songs that are rediculously relatable either, like A LOT of country music. I seek music that has more under surface. Something that'll get you thinking analytically, not just about your ex girlfriend or the party you were at last week. That is why I prefer prog, because it "progresses" past the obvious and brings on new wonderment and critical thought. Of course there are always exceptions.
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One of the pitfalls of not being to invited to parties is that nagging regret that you never got the opportunity to decline with withering contempt.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 06:57 |
Hey you, yes, I'm talking to you, you boring song full of nothing.
I'm sorry, do you understand ? Sorry, sorry, SORRY! -something like that ? :-)
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 07:24 |
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Try and find a hip hop forum, with a prog rock thread....
It just doesn't happen, but in this community we discuss metal, indie, electronica, classical, blues, even musicals FFS!!
I dont personally know any prog fans who are musically narrow minded. Having an open mind goes with the territory.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Marty McFly
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 07:38 |
Well, I like country, folk, some musicals, film soundtracks (classical likes, not pop songs), classical music (something), something from pop (from time to time), even some electro rock (like Lemon Jelly). Also of course rock, symphonic prog, heavy metal (all prog related genres basically, like not cliché metal, good jazz).
I don't like old jazz (20-40s), very old pop songs, but pop songs from 60s-70s are good for me. Of course hip-hop and death metal, as I can't stand it, it's quite clear that I don't like it.
Am I narrow minded ?
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my
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Jorvik
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 08:40 |
I don't believe in being open minded, I don't want my brain to fall out.  I found this thread quite disturbing at first, but I've been heartened by a few responses. I've noticed a fair bit of inverse snobbery, for want of a better phrase, on PA from time to time – this whole notion that you must be open minded, with all the insinuations that go along with that. People should be more open minded about people's narrow-mindedness. I don't listen to music other than prog, it simply doesn't excite or interest me. Within prog there's way more variety than I need to keep me satisfied. To say that someone is missing out, is to impose your tastes and values on them. "Have you heard this? I like it and you might enjoy it " is fine, but "You don't know what you're missing out on" is rather arrogant, in my opinion. Being open to argument and persuasion is all well and good in discussions about objective issues – I don't see a problem with knowing your own mind and being single-minded when it comes to matters of taste.
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I ljuset från min lykta
ser jag skuggan utav sorg
drömmar som har slocknat
ifrån ett liv som haft sin tid
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infandous
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 09:23 |
Nuke wrote:
It's not like "we're going to cry for you because you must be sad listening to such a limited range of music." It's more like "what a shame that you limit yourself like that." It's not that anyone feels the need to feel sorry for you. If you had never ridden a bike, or if you had never climbed a mountain, I would also feel sorry for you. It's not arrogance of the highest degree, and I'm not forcing an open mind on you, I'm just saying "you should try this, you're missing out." Would you get all huffy-puffy if someone told you you should try sushi?
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Nope, I wouldn't. But I also wouldn't want them to feel sorry for me if I choose not to. And, yes, it IS arrogant to think that it's a shame that someone "limits" themselves, based on your subjective criteria of what is "limiting" or not. By the way, I'm not "huffy-puffy", just rational. I don't really care if others feel sorry for me or think I'm limiting myself. Though, as I think I mentioned, I do enjoy lots of different music from time to time, I just prefer to spend most of my quality listening time with prog (which contains more than enough variety if you ask me.....assuming you listen to most of its sub-genre's, like I do).
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infandous
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 09:25 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 09:30 |
Blacksword wrote:
Try and find a hip hop forum, with a prog rock thread....
It just doesn't happen, but in this community we discuss metal, indie, electronica, classical, blues, even musicals FFS!!
I dont personally know any prog fans who are musically narrow minded. Having an open mind goes with the territory. |
You are wrong, probably you will find at least one saying "Prog Rock is Crap" or "What's wrong about Prog Rock", etc. They believe Hip Hop is the best music in the world...And what's wrong with that?
The are being honest with themselves.
Check a Punk forum:
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They don't have a problem saying Prog is crap, and it's great for them, they believe Punk was necesary because Prog was destroying Rock and they came to save it.
But if we dare to say,a timid "Hey I like Prog more than most of the other genres" in a Prog site...People in this Prog forum call us close minded............PLEASE!!!!!!
If I have 3,000 Prog albums (LP's, CD's, Cassettes, DVD's) and don't believe Prog is the best music out there....Then I'm lying to myself.
Aren't we being more paists than the Pope?
Iván
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 11:57 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Try and find a hip hop forum, with a prog rock thread.... It just doesn't happen, but in this community we discuss metal, indie, electronica, classical, blues, even musicals FFS!! I dont personally know any prog fans who are musically narrow minded. Having an open mind goes with the territory. |
You are wrong, probably you will find at least one saying "Prog Rock is Crap" or "What's wrong about Prog Rock", etc. They believe Hip Hop is the best music in the world...And what's wrong with that?
The are being honest with themselves.
Check a Punk forum:
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<TD width="100%" =../graphics/yesReback.jpg><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Know thine enemy. While Glam at least was proving some light relief from bands who had grown massive like the Stones, Who and Led Zeppelin there were an even more pretentious wave of bands who espoused the view that rock was serious and who were dominating the serious weekly music papers. Prog-Rock was mostly listened to by grubby polytechnic students who wore flares and dufflecoats and never had any girlfriends and who would sit cross-legged at gigs on the floor bonged out of their brains. They would gather in bedsits drinking coffee out of chipped mugs and ponder the meaning of the universe while listening to Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator, Camel, Gentle Giant, Caravan, Greenslade and a thousand others. These people knew what they wanted ..lots of windswept guitar histrionics, gushing key boards, lyrics full of mystical allusions and song titles bearing no relation to the music and almost as long as the music itself ! As you read these you can see why punk had to happen. Weighed own by the weight of its own pretensions the scene was set for someone to point out that the emperor in fact had no clothes on. Read on and learn the horrible truth.......</TD></TR></T></TABLE>
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They don't have a problem saying Prog is crap, and it's great for them, they believe Punk was necesary because Prog was destroying Rock and they came to save it.
But if we dare to say,a timid "Hey I like Prog more than most of the other genres" in a Prog site...People in this Prog forum call us close minded............PLEASE!!!!!!
If I have 3,000 Prog albums (LP's, CD's, Cassettes, DVD's) and don't believe Prog is the best music out there....Then I'm lying to myself.
Aren't we being more paists than the Pope?
Iván |
It depends how you define open minded. I guess we're coming at this from different angles. I would imagine that most forum members here, do think that prog is the best type of music there is, but that doesn't stop many members positively discussing the merits of other styles and genres, including punk and hip hop. That's what I call being open minded, compared to possible one off threads on punk or hip forums that run prog rock down. You're going to find some closed minded people, who are only receptive to one style of music, on any music forum. But I would say the opened minded clan have the significant numbers here.
Part of the difference with progressive rock is that it is mostly about the quality of composition and/or musicianship, whereas punk is usually cited for its cultural 'significance' and what it stood for, rather than the music itself. I've known enough punks in my time, to have had an insight into their philosophy on music, and enough hip hop fanatics, who believe that music is worthless unless it fits into what they see as specific hip hop templates. I've known people who hate the sound of guitars, or who write a band off, because it members look 'silly'
Not many people with mentality aroud here, as far as I can see.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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jampa17
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 12:54 |
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As the initial question was made, No, I don't feel sorry by anyone who listen to anything... I don't like that some try to feel special by hearing something that others don't, but at the end, if they like wierd music, who can blame them...??? I mean, I love prog rock, I like other styles always inside rock, but I don't like most of the mainstream non rock music, like hip-hop, electronic, pop and whatever danceable music, so, someone could feel sorry for me...??? I don't and I don't mind... because I like the music that I enjoy beyond explanation, don't need to hear more music or styles, I feel that I just am discovering the Iceberg peak in prog rock, so I don't mind other styles, I'm just progressing inside a genre, is that to feel sorry about...??? I think both threads are kind of silly... I don't know one single person who exclusively likes only one thing and get stuck on that... but well... I gues I made my point right...???
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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infandous
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 13:22 |
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Actually, what Ivan posted from that punk rock forum does make one valid point: a lot of proggers (musicians and fans alike), take themselves too seriously. As I've said before in this thread, if someone is happy with listening to just one genre of music, then more power to them. Not everyone feels the need to analyze their likes and dislikes in music endlessly like a lot of us proggers seem to. I listen to what I enjoy. No one should feel sorry for that.
Edited by infandous - November 25 2009 at 13:23
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Luke. J
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 14:14 |
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I only feel sorry for people who don't listen to the music they like. If they like prog only, I don't care. Why should I feel sorry for someone who does'nt listen what he dislikes? I definetly don't.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 14:17 |
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Yes. This year i've been listening to classic rock, hard rock, alternative & grunge alot more than prog.
I even like some pop songs. Take THAT!
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 14:50 |
Abstrakt wrote:
Yes. This year i've been listening to classic rock, hard rock, alternative & grunge alot more than prog.
I even like some pop songs. Take THAT!
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Only some pop songs? 
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Abstrakt
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Posted: November 25 2009 at 15:19 |
Bj-1 wrote:
Abstrakt wrote:
Yes. This year i've been listening to classic rock, hard rock, alternative & grunge alot more than prog.
I even like some pop songs. Take THAT!
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Only some pop songs? |
Yep. Like most Kent songs and Orup "Min mor sa till mig". The latter is pretty embarrasing, but it's good! 
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