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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2009 at 22:51
Shut up, I see my wording wasn't quite correct, due to my rage of insanity, but you know what I was trying to say Henry.
And I just saw your signature, that is hilarious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2009 at 22:55
I do feel sorry for them only because that still could be me out there unaware of the hidden world of progressive music.I'm sure there are lots of people out there who are like i was, just tired of music from the radio and yet a huge music fan.It was frustrating to say the least. From about 1986 to the late nineties i'd pretty much given up on music.That to me is sad. I am sooo thankful beyond words for the music i have and enjoy.Not pretentious or proud.Not at all just thankful.   I have had so many people who come in where i work and comment on my music.Some good some badLOL,but many want me to write down the band's name and album.From AMON DUUL II to NICE BEAVER.Just the other day i'm listening to this bizarre Psychedelic music and the guy says "i love that stuff !". So i'm going to get him some Krautrock and Psychedelic tunes to check out.
For those who know about it and dismiss it,that's fine of course.Whatever grills your cheese.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 00:46
No.
The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 02:03
Not really.  Listening to obscure music is like being in on a secret only a few people know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 02:13
No. Why should I?
 
There are many worlds around us, so do you really think that every person in the whole world should be a member of each?
 
For example, I am great lover of jazz ( not only jazz-rock or fusion, which are on the border, but still in PA). I believe you know, that jazz people are even more maniacs of their music,than the prog lovers are. And what? And I like trout fishing as well ( another world of maniacs, isn't it?).
 
I just think it's nice, that there are people and there are worlds of their interests.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 02:24
I certainly believe I'm miles above those who don't get prog. Why shouldn't I? I take the time to look it up and listen. Tough cookies for those who don't bother.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 02:36
No I certainly don't feel sorry for music fans who don't much care for prog rock. There's a universe of great music out there that wouldn't even get within a ribbon controller of being included on PA. If music be the food of love, PA is tantamount to a brunettes appreciation society. Not all beautiful women are brunettes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 04:08
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

There's a universe of great music out there that wouldn't even get within a ribbon controller of being included on PA.


Hear hear. Clap I try never to take prog as the final word in musical taste, ever since an old girlfriend brought me back to earth with some fantastic soul and fusion jazz.
You should then ask whether we feel sorry for people who don't actively seek out music. I would say that everyone on this site will agree that our common purpose is seeking out music, new or old, and talking about it with (mostly) intelligent peers.

That being said, question for all the 'elite' haters out there - try to tell me why you hate 'elitism' without falling back on capitalist culture ideals of simplicity and the proletariat. You may argue that you are not being controlled by your culture (and most will if they are on this site) but I tell you that as long as you think that pretentiousness and elitism are wrong, you are obeying a proletariat code of law. They're not good or bad, they just are. You tell elitists to stop whinging about pop music. Maybe you need to stop whinging about elitist music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 05:45
No I don't feel sorry for them. But they come across feeling sorry for me due to my non-exceptance of mainstream rock or most of their 21st century interests. I am not technically living in the 21st century. I do not as a rule participate in social gatherings which consists of yuppies talking about computers and digi packs or contrived rock concerts etc. These people haven't a clue what goes on in my life and I could care less about theirs. I didn't even except the 80's let alone the 21st century. I am happy with the way I do things and these kinds of people are clueless about that in general.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 05:53
Originally posted by Camel_APPeal Camel_APPeal wrote:

Why shoud I be sorry?? They're fine the way they are and most likely they won't bother paying attention to the music the way we do.
 
Now, when they bash prog without knowing what they're talking about I could feel sorry until I remember it's their problem and not mine.
 
In the end, they like what they know and they know what they like.

My sentiments exactly. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 06:16
No because their blissfully unaware.They don't care their happy with whatever they listen to.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 06:51
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

No because their blissfully unaware.They don't care their happy with whatever they listen to.

You have to be happy with what you have to be happy with?

I don't know, but I do think this site helps to attract converts.

Hehheheheheheheheheh.


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 12 2009 at 06:52
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 06:54
of course not!
there is so much we are missing in art in general, that it just doesn't make any sense to feel sorry for someone who isn't into prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 07:11
It's a shame when people dont appreciate music (of any kind) but regard it as an unimportant background thing in their lives.

I dont feel sorry for them as such. They will probably have things going on in their lives which are important to them, that I dont get. I know a maximum of two people, outside this forum, who understand and care about music. When I try to explain, to anyone else, how music makes me feel, they just look at me blankly..

..in the same way I look at them, when they get all emotional about football, I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 07:25
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
 
 
Excellent saidClap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 07:47
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

I am not technically living in the 21st century. .
I didn't mean to say
 this. I am technically living in the 21st century but not socially. I don't feel sorry for fans of rock music who absorbed fringe statements made by an older generation from the 80's. First of all most people are clueless about mainstream rock music anyway. When I was a kid, you wouldn't be caught dead carrying a Grand Funk Railroad album to school. It wasn't a very cool thing to do. Because all the hippies basically had no respect for bands of this nature. I am not saying that the hippies were right. Everyone has the freedom to do what they want. But the idea that has been brought forth today, that for example, Grand Funk Railroad is from Toddler's generation and based on that fact alone, they represent the music of my time. All Untrue. They were not an important band. They were laughed at by music freaks that took music seriously. So young people shouldn't listen to the 80's generation when they tend to give credit to an artist that simply is not due.

I've have known about a hundred people or more that grew up on 80's mainstream music and I don't feel sorry for them. Their taste in music ranged from 80'S Yes to Pat Benatar, The Pretenders, Duran, Duran etc. Most of these people had no clue about the real 60's underground movement or the 70's prog movement.  They would flaunt names like The Doors. Oh, Toddler grew up on the 60's and 70's rock. Hey Toddler you must like the Doors right?  Answer: Not really. These idiots think because a DJ has picked a fringe list of 60's material to play on the airwaves 24/7, that it's got to be real. What makes 80'S people think that a band like the Doors were the most worshipped icons of the 60's? Answer: DJ'S. In the mean time they haven't a clue who Mike Bllomfield is. I don't feel sorry for a person that doesn't realize that Mike Bloomfield hosted Monteray Pop Festival or not realizing that he was just as great or better of a guitar player than Eric Clapton during the 60's. I mean, everyone in the 60's knew how great he was but, for some stupied reason he was wiped out just like Canned Heat were. It's just Hendrix, Joplin, The Doors, etc. and that's complete non-intelligent diagnosis for 60's music. Many facts have been virtually surpressed like the Doors and the Allman Brothers opened for Canned Heat? Not the other way round?

So why would I feel sorry for a person that thinks the opposite of what the real truth is regarding mainstream rock? Let alone thinking they might have some clue as to what prog is and where it derives from? This is besides the point for they don't even have a clue about music in general. If they were to get an education in music and stop adapting the concept that a DJ'S word is gospel, then maybe I would feel compassion. But they are so ignorant and blind. Disco was something that we all made fun of. As kids we knew it was destroying rock. Kids would line up on one side of the street in front of the disco clubs and rockers were lined up in front of the rock clubs. They threw rocks at each other and fought over the difference between the two styles of music. It seems a bit foolish but I believe that the rock crowd at that time was concerned about everything turning into commercialism. Today many young people I meet and 80's rockers seem to have excepted disco as part of the norm. In my day it was a disgrace to people who took rock music seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 08:08
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


That's why I feed mine intravenously

Edited by mrcozdude - November 12 2009 at 08:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 08:52
I know people that aren't into prog, but ARE into a different kind of music. They can name their "Top 5" groups. They actively seek out new music and bands to listen to. They can articulate the reasons they do or do not like something.... etc.
 
So I would never "feel sorry" for a person like that.... I actually think they are closer to liking prog than they realize !
 
 
However, I also know people who don't get into any kind of music at all. They might have a slight fondness for the decade of pop music that was playing on the radio during their high-school years.... but that is about it. They make no effort to dig up that music, or any new music.
 
I really don't understand how you cannot simply NEED music. My 1-year-old daughter just loves music... but no one "taught" her to like it... she just does. I imagine that even the freakin' cavemen tried to play SOME sort of music... LOL !
 
So. I feel sorry for people who don't have the drive to explore any music... because i think they are missing out on something that is a major part of life. And if that music is prog...  all the better !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 09:12

If I see great audiences enjoying simple and useless pop songs that even have little to do with real music I indeed feel sorry for them and count my blessings for having found prog.

It's also a matter of two different worlds because I experienced many times that the "rubbish" lovers really don't get prog and don't even want to get it because this music is too demanding for them. Too bad ... 

A day without prog is a wasted day
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2009 at 09:33

How can I feel sorry for a person that doesn't get prog when there working concept is based on presenting my favorite music as a mere joke. For example, in a dance club they sample Tangerine Dream's early works into electronica dance beat rubbish. The thing about electronica dance beats is it has a 100 percent similarity to the trashy disco beats from the 70's. One guy remarked: It's all good.  Excuse me? It's all good? What's all good? The money you make? How disgraceful to put disco beats to Atem or Phadrea.


I'll tell you what, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put electronica dance beats into Jethro Tull's A Passion Play, Selling England By The Pound, Close To The Edge  and see how you like it? Think about it. Think real hard? It's the same concept really. But because electronic music has always been more underground then prog,(especially the early works), almost no one has a reason or cause for rebellious action against this type of activity.   Why don't they just sample Wendy Carlos Sonic Seasonings and get it over with?   Just continue to disgrace all the electronic innovators while your at it.  How is any of this activity good? This is worse than the analogy of Clapton being God(which is quite disgraceful within itself), Someone made a mistake and wrote God on that wall instead of good.  I don't feel sorry for people like this.
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