From other hand, I agree with Isa, I can't get into others' interests - sometimes I feel sorry about it, sometimes don't care much. 

 

Now, when they bash prog without knowing what they're talking about I could feel sorry until I remember it's their problem and not mine.

 

In the end, they like what they know and they know what they like.

 

I agree because I was almost one of those people.  However, on a whim, I typed prog in a google search and Prog Archives found me.  And you probably can figure out the rest of the story.  So I won't bore you.  Hopefully there are a few more out there who are a google search away from prog bliss. 

 

I do wish more people had the patience to expand their horizons and enjoy avant-garde music, but pity isn't really the right word. I would reserve pity for people who choose not to read. And pop fans feel sorry for me because I can't enjoy "fun" music, so it all evens out.

 

I don't think I'm better than other people, I think I just have better taste. ;-)

 

There are many worlds around us, so do you really think that every person in the whole world should be a member of each?

 

For example, I am great lover of jazz ( not only jazz-rock or fusion, which are on the border, but still in PA). I believe you know, that jazz people are even more maniacs of their music,than the prog lovers are. And what? And I like trout fishing as well ( another world of maniacs, isn't it?).

 

I just think it's nice, that there are people and there are worlds of their interests.

 

 

Excellent said.

 this. I am technically living in the 21st century but not socially. I don't feel sorry for fans of rock music who absorbed fringe statements made by an older generation from the 80's. First of all most people are clueless about mainstream rock music anyway. When I was a kid, you wouldn't be caught dead carrying a Grand Funk Railroad album to school. It wasn't a very cool thing to do. Because all the hippies basically had no respect for bands of this nature. I am not saying that the hippies were right. Everyone has the freedom to do what they want. But the idea that has been brought forth today, that for example, Grand Funk Railroad is from Toddler's generation and based on that fact alone, they represent the music of my time. All Untrue. They were not an important band. They were laughed at by music freaks that took music seriously. So young people shouldn't listen to the 80's generation when they tend to give credit to an artist that simply is not due.

I've have known about a hundred people or more that grew up on 80's mainstream music and I don't feel sorry for them. Their taste in music ranged from 80'S Yes to Pat Benatar, The Pretenders, Duran, Duran etc. Most of these people had no clue about the real 60's underground movement or the 70's prog movement.  They would flaunt names like The Doors. Oh, Toddler grew up on the 60's and 70's rock. Hey Toddler you must like the Doors right?  Answer: Not really. These idiots think because a DJ has picked a fringe list of 60's material to play on the airwaves 24/7, that it's got to be real. What makes 80'S people think that a band like the Doors were the most worshipped icons of the 60's? Answer: DJ'S. In the mean time they haven't a clue who Mike Bllomfield is. I don't feel sorry for a person that doesn't realize that Mike Bloomfield hosted Monteray Pop Festival or not realizing that he was just as great or better of a guitar player than Eric Clapton during the 60's. I mean, everyone in the 60's knew how great he was but, for some stupied reason he was wiped out just like Canned Heat were. It's just Hendrix, Joplin, The Doors, etc. and that's complete non-intelligent diagnosis for 60's music. Many facts have been virtually surpressed like the Doors and the Allman Brothers opened for Canned Heat? Not the other way round?

So why would I feel sorry for a person that thinks the opposite of what the real truth is regarding mainstream rock? Let alone thinking they might have some clue as to what prog is and where it derives from? This is besides the point for they don't even have a clue about music in general. If they were to get an education in music and stop adapting the concept that a DJ'S word is gospel, then maybe I would feel compassion. But they are so ignorant and blind. Disco was something that we all made fun of. As kids we knew it was destroying rock. Kids would line up on one side of the street in front of the disco clubs and rockers were lined up in front of the rock clubs. They threw rocks at each other and fought over the difference between the two styles of music. It seems a bit foolish but I believe that the rock crowd at that time was concerned about everything turning into commercialism. Today many young people I meet and 80's rockers seem to have excepted disco as part of the norm. In my day it was a disgrace to people who took rock music seriously.

 

So I would never "feel sorry" for a person like that.... I actually think they are closer to liking prog than they realize !

 

 

However, I also know people who don't get into any kind of music at all. They might have a slight fondness for the decade of pop music that was playing on the radio during their high-school years.... but that is about it. They make no effort to dig up that music, or any new music.

 

I really don't understand how you cannot simply NEED music. My 1-year-old daughter just loves music... but no one "taught" her to like it... she just does. I imagine that even the freakin' cavemen tried to play SOME sort of music... LOL !

 

So. I feel sorry for people who don't have the drive to explore any music... because i think they are missing out on something that is a major part of life. And if that music is prog...  all the better !

I'll tell you what, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put electronica dance beats into Jethro Tull's A Passion Play, Selling England By The Pound, Close To The Edge  and see how you like it? Think about it. Think real hard? It's the same concept really. But because electronic music has always been more underground then prog,(especially the early works), almost no one has a reason or cause for rebellious action against this type of activity.   Why don't they just sample Wendy Carlos Sonic Seasonings and get it over with?   Just continue to disgrace all the electronic innovators while your at it.  How is any of this activity good? This is worse than the analogy of Clapton being God(which is quite disgraceful within itself), Someone made a mistake and wrote God on that wall instead of good.  I don't feel sorry for people like this.

basically because prog makes a more intelligent person don't matter what part of the planet you are from.

 

One day you'll wake up and realize how irrelevant music is and how stupid it is to suffer about it... (again, with exceptions for those who live off music, who probably better worry about what they do..)

 

If you're in pain because nobody else likes the music you do... Get a life  

ditto

 

 

I also feel bad for people who hate quote pyramids

 

I feel sorry for those who are truly pathetic enough to have such a sentiment. Because clearly not only do you care most about music, you care way to much about prog music. And no one else does.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he's only describing what would be natural for anyone who really enjoys something: don't you want other people to enjoy it as well? I don't think that's a problem unless you're really into Naruto or something.

ok

My wife has over the years worked with young kids with all sorts of physical challenges.

 

Of those, the ones I really feel for are those who can't hear at all, the deaf.  They will never know ANY kind of music or sound.  Think about it.  At the most basic level.  On their fourth birthday they'll be able to sign the words to 'Happy Birthday To You', but never know the joy of even that simplistic melody, nor any melody, nor the sound of any instrument, nor the apparently instinctual rush that even I-IV-V brings to the hearing part of the brain here in Western culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It goes both ways ... they could just as easily say the same thing about you and I ...

 

I do tend to think, and sometimes my posts suggest that I am stuck up ... that because I am familiar with 3,000 years of music and have the extensive collection of classical and progressive as well, that there is a lot more to music ... than what most people will EVER know in their life ... and until the day you get on a plane, or boat, and go see the world a little, you will never know or understand what that means ...

 

All too often, the references and discussions here are about "populist" ideals ... and I am never sure that we would want an art to be judged and remembered through time simply because it was the most popular and not necessarily the one that made a difference ...

 

In the end, it was "the difference" that made all of this music we like important and remembered ... and I am not sure that will change anytime soon ... but judging it simply because it was famous and well known ... should not be a factor at all.

 

If you take Genesis out of the famous Charisma label ... I wonder how many people in this board can name 2 or 3 other artists on that label ... so we know the label because of Genesis? ... NO CHEATING ... just off the top of your head! Hint ... I was there and had the first albums ... but by comparison HIpgnosis was there almost 4 years before ... there is no comparison!  I would almost say that Genesis is already the 2nd generation of progressive stuff ... and already was not as adventurous as a lot of other music out there in Europe ... ANGE was far more theatrical than Genesis, who had to revert to costumes .... Decamps didn't need costumes to show you how prog music could be ... and WELL ACTED ... though Peter didn't do too bad himself ... no complaints there ... but it was being done elsewhere as well!   ... most folks here can talk Genesis/Gabriel, but not about other bands at the time that were also doing just as good, if not better material.

 

But inside I know that the discussion will lead nowhere. The only thing I can do is accepting the true fact - that prog isn´t every mans cup of tea.