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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:50
Originally posted by Trianium Trianium wrote:

Ok mate, let's talk in Castilian ...
I totally agree with you that the fanboys of Pink Floyd does not know sh*t (excuse) of Progressive Rock. But do not misunderstand me, I'm a fan of Pink Floyd (not noticeable ...) but I love progressive rock and I think that 'control' of this music in terms of age but is a rookie. Greetings
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2009 at 00:18
It was just a "kit kat" moment. Please donīt get annoyed.
 
I understand you very well. In Spain, when foreigners arrive the beaches,specially english and north american people, everybody there must do special efforts to try to have a conversation when they ask for help or another request. Even some of them donīt know how to say "How much is it?" in spanish after spending their summer in the same place for 5 years.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2009 at 00:36
I believe I'm a bit more than just a casual Prog listener, and I believe at least DSOTM, WYWH and Animals are outstanding releases.

Never liked Hawkwind at all, but that's my taste.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2009 at 17:13
Originally posted by SergiUriah SergiUriah wrote:

It was just a "kit kat" moment. Please donīt get annoyed.
 
I understand you very well. In Spain, when foreigners arrive the beaches,specially english and north american people, everybody there must do special efforts to try to have a conversation when they ask for help or another request. Even some of them donīt know how to say "How much is it?" in spanish after spending their summer in the same place for 5 years.
 
Hey Sergi - see my post about six up (better not use any more Spanish except Quanto es?) BTW I quite agree with you - I go to Spain lots and my Spanish is pretty feeble really - but at least I try and it's getting a little bit better all the timeTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2009 at 18:38
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by SergiUriah SergiUriah wrote:

It was just a "kit kat" moment. Please donīt get annoyed.
 
I understand you very well. In Spain, when foreigners arrive the beaches,specially english and north american people, everybody there must do special efforts to try to have a conversation when they ask for help or another request. Even some of them donīt know how to say "How much is it?" in spanish after spending their summer in the same place for 5 years.
 
Hey Sergi - see my post about six up (better not use any more Spanish except Quanto es?) BTW I quite agree with you - I go to Spain lots and my Spanish is pretty feeble really - but at least I try and it's getting a little bit better all the timeTongue
 
Yeah, I read it last night. Very good spanish, but youīre wrong in one thing: HAKWIND are better than PF. Iīm now listening In Search Of Space and thinking seriously about life in Mars. Great band, oh my God!Big smile
 
And you might talk more with Mallorcaīs people. I know there are many people from England and Germany livinīover there, but spanish languaje is easy, donīt be afraid.
 
Go England to the World Cup!!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 11:22
I think the forums should be in Klingon. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 11:44
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

All I have to say is:

Is this an import fold-out album cover designed in 1975? Or is this from an import cd?

it is the original fold-up cover from 1975. From the other side it looks like a shield. The black parts down below do not belong to the cover, so the whole cover is shield-shaped when unfolded.
Some additional anecdotes on what is arguably Hawkwind's tour de force.

The album is based loosely on Michael Moorcock"s The Eternal Champion which was not  one of his better works and why Hawkwind chose this one to write a concept album around sort of has always mystified me. the cover painting is by Compte Oierre d'Aubergne and also forms the face of the champion. It also contains some sexual references (but I'll leave that up to you! ). On the early Canadian Dojjo release a 160 page booklet is included  which contains  the complete Moorcock novel. It also folds out like the original album but the brown shield on the reverse is reproduced in black & white for some reason.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 16:39
Sure, DSotM is a classic creation that stretches beyond the realms of progdom, and The Wall, released some 3 years after punk allegedly purged the world of prog, sold more units than every punk album ever made, but now that you mention it, I can't remember the last time I put on a bit of Floyd. Brilliant, but some how wallpaper. Familiarity has obviously been lax with the prophylactics, cus living in Amsterdam, hearing Comfortably Numb blasting through every Coffeshop window for twenty years straight has taken its toll on my PF tolerance.
 
Brilliant geniuses, yes, but these days give me Brock and co. One is privilege, public school, Oxbridge and impending knighthoods; the other is the underground, drug soaked brain in a rain drenched field and f**k the system. On reflection I pick the latter.
 
Hawkwind has covered Floyd (Cymbaline) but as far as I know, Floyd hasn't returned the compliment. I don't care.
Floyd speak directly to the psyche of millions more people world wide. Fk 'em. The Hawks speak to me.
 
Conclusion. Pink Floyd are the better band in every way except the one that counts; I still buy HW albums and go to their gigs and festies. Floyd is something I left back in my teen aged angst ridden prog-boy bedroom. (Syd not-with-standing), I love em, (ambivelantly) but I'd love 'em a lot more if I'd spent the last 20 years on a desert island.


Edited by emdiar - October 24 2009 at 16:53
Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 17:04
Anybody know something about good music covers-books? If they are related to Prog, it should be better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 17:17
Hawkwind's '70s album covers beat the Floyd's into a whimpering pulp.
 
(desperately trying to steer the thread back on topic!)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2009 at 05:39
Ok letīs follow with the topic. I do prefer HAWKWIND rather than PF. They made prog ROCK, not only chillout prog.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:53
One thingabout the Hawks is they touched on way more subject matter in th than Floyd. Science fiction, fantasy, the environment, aliens, robotics, terrorism, space exploration, great poets I could go on. In that sense they were( and still are ) far more interesting.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2009 at 12:59
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

One thingabout the Hawks is they touched on way more subject matter in th than Floyd. Science fiction, fantasy, the environment, aliens, robotics, terrorism, space exploration, great poets I could go on. In that sense they were( and still are ) far more interesting.  
Floyd have covered most of those subjects and then some... the only subject I can't think of a specific example for is terrorism (unless you count Water's solo), though they've dealt with war on all levels several times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 08:07
The pressence of real ROCK is the defference between these two big bands...PF still are looking for it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 12:20
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

One thingabout the Hawks is they touched on way more subject matter in th than Floyd. Science fiction, fantasy, the environment, aliens, robotics, terrorism, space exploration, great poets I could go on. In that sense they were( and still are ) far more interesting.  
Floyd have covered most of those subjects and then some... the only subject I can't think of a specific example for is terrorism (unless you count Water's solo), though they've dealt with war on all levels several times.
OK let`s have some specific examples. They may have used a lot of metaphors but Hawkwind were more direct and to the point. You know exactly what they`re talking about. I like the point the guy from Holland makes. Floyd is just wallpaper. I`m not saying I don`t like them but they`re just too, well, "overated" The only Floyd album I really bother with is Meddle and Atom Heart Mother.

There are so many people that have never heard of Hawkwind. And the people I`ve introduced them too have become hooked. I think it`s unfortunate that Floyd get so much attention on these classic rock statios. I mean as I said before the local station here in Montréal refere to albums like DSOTM and WYWH as lost classics. I `ve never even heard them mention Atom Heart Mother or Meddle. I might have hear them plat One Of These Days once and that was at about 2 in the morning.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 12:41
I think PF are to popular for their own good, and they are popular for the wrong reasons. They should have stuck to 20 minute improvised jams and kept away from shorter, catchier songs. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 15:47
Not even close, I like Hawkwind, but against the Floyd?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 16:30
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I think PF are to popular for their own good, and they are popular for the wrong reasons. They should have stuck to 20 minute improvised jams and kept away from shorter, catchier songs. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 17:00
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I think PF are to popular for their own good, and they are popular for the wrong reasons. They should have stuck to 20 minute improvised jams and kept away from shorter, catchier songs. 
Much argeed with.
 
Rubbish!  I assume you mean The Wall?  Which whether popular or not is genius! 
 
(Still Hawkwind for me though.  Magnu on its own gets my vote!  No taste you see!!)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2009 at 21:38

Uh, Pink Floyd. And I disagree that Pink Floyd should ahve stuck to "20 minute improvised jams." The band has admitted that those were basically done in desperation because they didn't know what else to do. While 20 minute improvised jams have their place and are very good when done right, they aren't the end all be all. Pink Floyd wrote shorter, catchier songs (not sure when you mean though...Dark Side? Wish You Were Here? Animals? The Wall?) and they were good at them. Shorter catchier songs have their place. Don't be such an elitist. It doesn't suit you.

That said, I do love Hawkwind. It just seems like a silly comparison.
 
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