Hawkwind vs Pink Floyd
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Topic: Hawkwind vs Pink Floyd
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Subject: Hawkwind vs Pink Floyd
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 13:16
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Hawkwind hands down no contest. Discuss. Freakiest band ever. ------------- |
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Posted By: silcir
Date Posted: October 07 2009 at 14:31
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i do like hawkwing and against Pink Floyd they would lose, but i never listened Pink Foyd before? is it a new one? |
Posted By: Hogweed57
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:05
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nah but hawkwing are good post but 2 totally different bands seen both live and the feeling is so different Floyd is almost reverentail and churchlike to me ( love em by the way) While Hawkwind just overwhelm you with sound and pulse well in the old days anyway good post tho ------------- Be safe be happy |
Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:41
| Floyd of course...i only listened Silver Machine by Hawkwind. But the importance that Floyd has in music history is only comparable to: Beatles, Queen, The Who and Zeppelin. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:44
Floyd are the better band in terms of musicanship and consistency, but the Hawks output is more varied (although some is dreadful) and they are more 'fun' 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:44
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Does it seem like we're having loads of "Pink Floyd VS [other prog band]" polls lately?
Anywho, Floyd. I like their music more than that of Hawkwind, and historically, they're much more important and influential than Hawkwind. ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:50
Floyd, are more influential in prog, certainly, but the Hawks influence croses many genres, from punk to Indie to dance music. Hawkwind are something of a musical anomoly. They are desparatly unfashionable. They are very old, but they still have a certain credibility among the younger generation, certainly in the UK. According to Dave Brock the audiences are younger now, than they were in the 80's. Hawkwind benefitted a great deal from the rave culture, and the re-emergence of psychadelic drugs at the time. I think they are seen as a genuinely rebellious band, who ignored all musical convention, and generally hated the music business. |
progkidjoel wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 04:51
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Pink Floyd. More better albums innit! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 05:46
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I like Pink Floyd too but right now I probably prefer the Hawks. They've got more of an "outsider art" ethos which you see in their music being much more informal and I also think this is one reason their discography is much more varied. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: genesis91
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 12:00
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PINK FLOYD is better than Hawkind !!!!!!!! ------------- fillo de lug |
Posted By: Courtesy Flush
Date Posted: October 08 2009 at 22:25
| Is this a serious question? Pink Floyd, no doubt. |
Posted By: hours_of_wealth
Date Posted: October 10 2009 at 11:24
| I try to like Hawkwind, but their music just doesn't click with me. Floyd is my definite choice. They seem to have a more varied discography as well. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 10 2009 at 12:28
| Pink Floyd, but it doesn't mean Hawkwind isn't a great band. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 10:13
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It is most difficult for me to make a choice between the two bands. The reason being the importance which I give to Hawkwind's lyrical content. Robert Calvert wrote many sci-fi stories based on what would happen in the future regarding nuclear war, modern day methods of espionage, psychic phenomenon etc; Not something I would find dominating in the music of Pink Floyd. On the other hand the beautiful lyrics contained on Ummagumma is a very original approach and well appreciated by me. Some of the same style is found on Music From The Body, Waters/Geesin. Back to Hawkwind. Michael Moorcock was another great science fiction writer with his stories about dragons, warriors and sea kings. But then again Syd Barrett was supossedly the first to create music around phlisophical writings. Chapter 24 for example. I remember Dave Brock stating that Hawkwind were influenced by Pink Floyd so that info right there brings me to a slight judgement call. I could never make a choice between the 2 because I see them as seperate entities. But it is really interesting to hear everyone's comments on this thread. Good thread. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 17:20
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Hawkwind for me. one of my favorite bands. they were more influenced by early Kraut than by Pink Floyd, by the way, and Amon Düül 2 bass player Dave Anderson (on their first two albums) played with Hawkwind too for some time ("In Search of Space" has Anderson on bass)
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 10:47
Never could understand what was so special about Syd Barret. He freaked out on LSD and lost his mind be cause of another condition he had that didn`t agree with the LSD. He played on one album and he becomes what Floyd is all about. ------------- |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 11:41
Barrets Floyd dont do too much for me either, but I am a big fan of what they went on to produce. All things weighed up I would say that I'm a bigger Floyd fan, but the Hawks have a special place in my heart. Some great musicians passed through their ranks over the years, but Hawkwind was never really about musicianship imo, it was about the spirit of the band, and each album was an indicator of both the mental and creative state they were in at the time. Thats not say that musically they didn't pull some remarkable tricks out of the bag at times. I think what puts people off Hawkwind is the inconsistency of their playing and production. It's one thing, and a good thing, not knowing what a band is going to do next, but when there's a 50% chance it's going to be painful to the ears, I think that drives many prog fans away. Also, some people knock the Calvert albums, but I think they are amoung their best. The transition from 'Warrior on the edge of Time' and 'Astounding sounds' is, well...astounding. It is a completely different band, playing a different style of music. True progression you could say. Crimson were similar in this respect. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 12:12
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The Calvert albums are virtually unknown. Albums that time forgot. I completely agree that Hawkwind aren`t about music but more about spirit. They have often been labeled the Grateful Dead Of England. And like the dead more about just freaking out, spacing out and blowing one`s mind. I once read an intervew where Brock was trying to explain just this.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 12:40
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Hey! I've just been on Amazon and found that PXR5, Chronicle of the BlackSword, and Quark... are now available on CD!!!!
I'd given up on getting these albums on CD. This is quite a big event for me!  I should probably get out more..
Credit card at the ready! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 12:44
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Probably all kinds of bonus sh*t too !
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 13:06
Indeed! 
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 18:24
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Interesting idea.
Floyd by a mile but the whole Hawkwind/Nektar/Pink Fairies/Man thing was something i thrived on as a kid - it was something you felt you could really be part of, unlike Floyd which was always way beyond the direct accessibility of mere mortals, as it were.
Interestingly I still play all the bands I've mentioned about equally, but I still listen to Floyd more often than all the others put together. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 13 2009 at 22:36
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HAWKWIND, of course. Pink Floyd are really boring, and a very overrated band, in my opinion. For many people results cool to say that PF are great, even after just only listening to a couple of songs... ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/"> 
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Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 03:20
| Today is cool to say i hate Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd is sh*t, Pink Floyd is boring and Pink Floyd is a overrated band, but is not cool to say i like Pink Floyd...i think. |
Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 04:14
| I like so much the version that Hawkwind did of Floyd song - Cymbaline. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 04:17
| I'll vote for the band not called Pink Floyd. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 04:26
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Note to all fans of prog rock:
It has been at least 30 years, since Pink Floyd was ever considered to be, in any way 'cool' In the eyes of most people, they are about as cool as Mike and the Mechanics, and are generally regarded as the sort of band that hangs out with Prince Charles and Tory MP's. Keep the 'cool' thing in perspective yeah... 
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Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 05:14
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I really laugh when people say Pink Floyd is boring and they often listen them ...is curious really curious....if i don't like a group i don't listen his music, but Floyd is something magic, especial...people thath don't like Floyd listen to them and rate the albums in some webs only for his hate to the band. It's curious when somebody say a band is overrated, because the ''overrated bands'' are always the most importants bands in rock history: The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, Queen, Floyd, The Who... |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 09:10
NOTE to Blacksword? No other band can be described as about as cool as Mike and the Mechanics tis impossible!
Hawkwind though are cooler than PF and I love the earlier stuff and Calvert era. Hawkwind make me happier than PF and have always been a people's band not the type tha collect cars for a living.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 14 2009 at 10:46
If I were asked who was the most 'cool' out of Hawkwind and Pink Floyd, I would have to agree that Hawkwind are the most 'cool' This may seem ridiculous to some, but they picked up a multitude of new fans during the rave era of the 90's. I'm sure the Hawks would resonate more, and indeed 'oscillate' more with the 'cool' trance, ambient and hard house fraternity. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 05:34
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Both bands are responsible for me "getting into" music in my early teens so both are very important to me.
Hawkwind win by a nose (beak?).
But neither band has produced anything I'm really interested in for many years... ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 07:39
 You have a great sense of humour. We are always waiting for your response, man it's the way you put things into perspective. Most of what you have to say is true to us and sarcastic. We don't mean to put you on the spot, but humour like yours is rare. We appreciate it
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 07:46
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Hawkwind may be freaky, but that doesn't make them better than Pink Floyd. However, with Warrior on the Edge of Time they came rather close. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 15 2009 at 19:29
All I have to say is...
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Posted By: Bucsdude
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 19:17
All I have to say is
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Posted By: Bucsdude
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 19:18
 Sorry -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 19:22
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^^ Sorry Chris but Brian's right on this one: Wish You Were Here is a million times better than Dark Side
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Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 20:29
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Shine on You Crazy Diamonds and the title track Wish You Were Here are awesome. ------------- |
Posted By: Bucsdude
Date Posted: October 16 2009 at 21:05
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yeah me too but i couldn't copy him -------------
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 17 2009 at 08:58
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Well you could... ------------- |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 17 2009 at 21:01
I have tried with PF several times, just to find that special and magic touch that everybody seem to appreciate...and well, answering to your words, if someone wants to have a solid opinion about a band, it´s obligated for him to LISTEN THEIR ALBUMS (incredible????!!!)
 .And I don´t hate PF, neither their music. Simply I don´t understand why that band is so overrated and why everyone talk only marvellous things about them. When so few people talk bad things about a band, it may results suspicious... ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Bucsdude
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 10:32
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Well they are marvellous their music is one of a kind... well not really but thier sound is so specific that it makes them great. I don't know about you t I don't know many bands leave the first 2-5 minutes of their songs with no vocals -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 11:42
All I have to say is: -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 14:29
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Pink Floyd never had fold-out album covers like Hawkwind! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 16:46
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True so true. ------------- |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:15
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I like the Hawkwind cover because it has multiply layers. First of all it is a scene on a planet with two suns. Second it is a face behind a helmet. Third it is a female figure with bare breasts. And from the other side it is a shield. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:25
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Well, There you go that's pretty conclusive Hawkwind are better cos they've got (had) Barney Bubbles RIP.  ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:28
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Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:43
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I have tried with PF several times, just to find that special and
magic touch that everybody seem to appreciate...and well, answering to
your words, if someone wants to have a solid opinion about a band, it´s
obligated for him to LISTEN THEIR ALBUMS (incredible????!!!)
 .And I don´t hate PF, neither their music. Simply I don´t
understand why that band is so overrated and why everyone talk only
marvellous things about them. When so few people talk bad things about
a band, it may results suspicious...
And when a lot of people, a lot of musicians including: Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Phil Manzanera, Paul McCartney, Mike Portnoy, Steven Wilson, Ian Anderson, Pete Townshend talk about Pink Floyd as one of the bigger and most influential bands in history it may results suspicious..... |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 18 2009 at 20:03
Ok, 8 musicians talking marvellous things about PF, you´ve got THE REASON. I surrender to that solid argument!!!!  Now I can see the light at least...------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 02:59
Another poll: who's better, Barney Bubbles or Hypgnosis?  ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 06:02
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Ok, sorry...forgive
me if I've done has been stupid ... but i just wanted to say it is
normal
that you do not like Pink Floyd (each has their own taste of course)
and if i don't like a band like the Rolling Stones or U2 for example i
don't say they are overrated, and i recognize the importance that they
have in rock history. ... in fact I think the term 'overrated band' is very 'overrated' ... there are groups and artists that i like a lot or not like anything. I can't belive in an overrated band....i think the phenomeno fanboy that only like one band and hate the rest is also stupid. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 10:43
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 11:48
 Barney! Barney Barney!
  Apologies for going off topic! (Sorry) ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 11:57
No he dicho que sea estúpido tu ejemplo...y yo sí creo en las bandas "sobrevaloradas", como creo en las películas sobrevaloradas. Es un hecho. De la misma forma que hay grupos a los que nadie se molesta en acercarse porque no son apenas conocidos. En este foro verás decenas de topics de excelentes discos con apenas 2 respuestas....
Y respecto a PF, la mayoría de su "masa social" de seguidores son gente que apenas sabe lo que significa el rock progresivo. Pero les gusta un álbum, o simplemente unas canciones, porque es lo único que han escuchado de ese estilo.
Si quiero escuchar space rock, me decanto por HAWKWIND y su In search Of Space, por ejemplo, aunque cualquier ejemplo es válido.
No tenía ganas de escribir en la lengua de Shakespeare.... ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Trianium
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 13:38
Ok compañero, pues hablemos en castellano... Estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo en que los fanboys de Pink Floyd no saben una mierda (con perdón) de Rock Progresivo. Pero no me malinterpretes, yo soy fan de Pink Floyd (se nota no... ) pero me encanta el Rock Progresivo y pienso que 'controlo' de esta música aunque en términos de edad sea un novato. Saludos. |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: October 19 2009 at 20:21
| hawkwind, |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 09:59
Muy bien puntos, mes amigos - me comprendo y no estoy de acuerdo. Floyd es mejor, vale ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 11:55
it is the original fold-up cover from 1975. From the other side it looks like a shield. The black parts down below do not belong to the cover, so the whole cover is shield-shaped when unfolded. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:48
Tough - the language of the forum in English.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:50
------------- What? |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 22 2009 at 00:18
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It was just a "kit kat" moment. Please don´t get annoyed.
I understand you very well. In Spain, when foreigners arrive the beaches,specially english and north american people, everybody there must do special efforts to try to have a conversation when they ask for help or another request. Even some of them don´t know how to say "How much is it?" in spanish after spending their summer in the same place for 5 years. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 22 2009 at 00:36
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I believe I'm a bit more than just a casual Prog listener, and I believe at least DSOTM, WYWH and Animals are outstanding releases. Never liked Hawkwind at all, but that's my taste. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 22 2009 at 17:13
Hey Sergi - see my post about six up (better not use any more Spanish except Quanto es?) BTW I quite agree with you - I go to Spain lots and my Spanish is pretty feeble really - but at least I try and it's getting a little bit better all the time  ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 23 2009 at 18:38
Yeah, I read it last night. Very good spanish, but you´re wrong in one thing: HAKWIND are better than PF. I´m now listening In Search Of Space and thinking seriously about life in Mars. Great band, oh my God!
And you might talk more with Mallorca´s people. I know there are many people from England and Germany livin´over there, but spanish languaje is easy, don´t be afraid.
Go England to the World Cup!!
Adiós y buena suerte. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 11:22
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I think the forums should be in Klingon. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 11:44
The album is based loosely on Michael Moorcock"s The Eternal Champion which was not one of his better works and why Hawkwind chose this one to write a concept album around sort of has always mystified me. the cover painting is by Compte Oierre d'Aubergne and also forms the face of the champion. It also contains some sexual references (but I'll leave that up to you! ). On the early Canadian Dojjo release a 160 page booklet is included which contains the complete Moorcock novel. It also folds out like the original album but the brown shield on the reverse is reproduced in black & white for some reason. ------------- |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 16:39
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Sure, DSotM is a classic creation that stretches beyond the realms of progdom, and The Wall, released some 3 years after punk allegedly purged the world of prog, sold more units than every punk album ever made, but now that you mention it, I can't remember the last time I put on a bit of Floyd. Brilliant, but some how wallpaper. Familiarity has obviously been lax with the prophylactics, cus living in Amsterdam, hearing Comfortably Numb blasting through every Coffeshop window for twenty years straight has taken its toll on my PF tolerance.
Brilliant geniuses, yes, but these days give me Brock and co. One is privilege, public school, Oxbridge and impending knighthoods; the other is the underground, drug soaked brain in a rain drenched field and f**k the system. On reflection I pick the latter.
Hawkwind has covered Floyd (Cymbaline) but as far as I know, Floyd hasn't returned the compliment. I don't care.
Floyd speak directly to the psyche of millions more people world wide. Fk 'em. The Hawks speak to me.
Conclusion. Pink Floyd are the better band in every way except the one that counts; I still buy HW albums and go to their gigs and festies. Floyd is something I left back in my teen aged angst ridden prog-boy bedroom. (Syd not-with-standing), I love em, (ambivelantly) but I'd love 'em a lot more if I'd spent the last 20 years on a desert island. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 17:04
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Anybody know something about good music covers-books? If they are related to Prog, it should be better.
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Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 24 2009 at 17:17
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Hawkwind's '70s album covers beat the Floyd's into a whimpering pulp.
(desperately trying to steer the thread back on topic!) ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 05:39
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Ok let´s follow with the topic. I do prefer HAWKWIND rather than PF. They made prog ROCK, not only chillout prog. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:53
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One thingabout the Hawks is they touched on way more subject matter in th than Floyd. Science fiction, fantasy, the environment, aliens, robotics, terrorism, space exploration, great poets I could go on. In that sense they were( and still are ) far more interesting. ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 12:59
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 08:07
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The pressence of real ROCK is the defference between these two big bands...PF still are looking for it. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/">
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 12:20
There are so many people that have never heard of Hawkwind. And the people I`ve introduced them too have become hooked. I think it`s unfortunate that Floyd get so much attention on these classic rock statios. I mean as I said before the local station here in Montréal refere to albums like DSOTM and WYWH as lost classics. I `ve never even heard them mention Atom Heart Mother or Meddle. I might have hear them plat One Of These Days once and that was at about 2 in the morning. ------------- |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 12:41
| I think PF are to popular for their own good, and they are popular for the wrong reasons. They should have stuck to 20 minute improvised jams and kept away from shorter, catchier songs. |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 15:47
| Not even close, I like Hawkwind, but against the Floyd? |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 16:30
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 17:00
Rubbish! I assume you mean The Wall? Which whether popular or not is genius!
(Still Hawkwind for me though. Magnu on its own gets my vote! No taste you see!!)
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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 21:38
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Uh, Pink Floyd. And I disagree that Pink Floyd should ahve stuck to "20 minute improvised jams." The band has admitted that those were basically done in desperation because they didn't know what else to do. While 20 minute improvised jams have their place and are very good when done right, they aren't the end all be all. Pink Floyd wrote shorter, catchier songs (not sure when you mean though...Dark Side? Wish You Were Here? Animals? The Wall?) and they were good at them. Shorter catchier songs have their place. Don't be such an elitist. It doesn't suit you. That said, I do love Hawkwind. It just seems like a silly comparison.Who's better? The Beatles or the Dave Clark Five? It's the same kind of thing. ------------- "Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 22:03
What I mean is that PF are popular for songs like "Money" and "Another..part 2", but songs "Any Colour You Like" and "The Trial" are unnoticed. I like all I do love their early stuff though, they were fairly good at those too. If PF had stuck to longer songs, even if all they did was glue together shorter ones, I don't think they would be nearly as popular. I wonder how different Psych/Space would be if Pink Floyd hadn't of existed. |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 05:41
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As I sit here typing, a daytime TV property-ladder show is playing "Money" (groan), yet again, and if I hadn't been reading this thread at the time, I wouldn't have even noticed. So ubiquituos is their back catologue that it's impact as "prog in a world of muzak" has withered and died.
During an episode of "Life on Mars" not so long ago, a car chase scene was shown to the sound of the Hawks' "Born To Go" and that had me diving for the remote to crank it up to antisocial-behaviour-order level.
That must say something.
That guy from Holland. (
)(to think, I used to be one of the guys...........how soon they forget......still, I supose that makes me more HW than PF)
ps. Reading through the comments on this thread, I find (not surprisingly to me) that my own opinion on this subject is most akin to that of the mighty Blacksword. He gets it. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 07:07
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Hawkwind were an early love of mine. When my brother, who is ten years older than I am, discovered them, they were all the rage among his friends (together with Gong, Magma, Can, VdGG, Tangerine Dream and other bands like that). "Sweet smoke" was in the air all the time around them, candle light was the only illumination, there were incense sticks burning, and Hawkwind are an ideal band for that scenario. I used to hang around in my brother's room when his friends were present and was considered to be a kind of mascot by them. All the strange sounds in the music they heard intrigued me a lot, and I fantasized about eerie things, probably induced by the curtain of sweet smoke in the air. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:07
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Another thing. I don`t think I can walk for more than an hour in the summertime in downtown Montréal and see two three four or even five DSOTM T-shirts. I`ve got three Hawkwind T- Shirts which were acquired with great difficulty through a guy who has a headshop on Rue St. Denis. The big headshop on St. Catherine St has a huge row of official and unofficial PF T-shirts. I managed to snap a Yes Relayer T-shirt out of there. I asked the guy if he could get some Hawkwind shirts and he didn`t have a clue who I was talking about. I just sort of politely said, " nevermind ". ------------- |
Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:20
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So Hawkwind is better because less people know them? Right. They're not worse because less people know them but BETTER? Silly. ------------- "Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:26
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Not saying that. What I`m saying is that it`s unfortunate that not as many people know them. DSOTM skyrocketed PF into stardom. If it weren`t for that album and the sales it generated they wouldn`t have been promoted the way they were. One thing I can say about Hawkwind though is that anything they put out sells to a certain extent. Even the kazillions of anthologies.
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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:31
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Oh okay fair enough. I'd agree with that. Lemmy has been quoted as saying that Hawkwind is just as heavy as Motorhead. ------------- "Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:40
The kazillions of anthologies, by the way, are not being issued by the band, and they don't get a penny from the sales. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 10:42
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I saw Motorhead once and once was enough. Not that I don`t like them it`s just that they are F**** loud. I got free tickets and went with a girlfriend and she actually started to cry they were so loud so we had to leave before they played Ace Of Spades.. Never saw Hawkwind though. Lemmy has actually made a few guest appearances with them over the years.
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Posted By: shockedjazz
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 11:21
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Barret Floyd´s are incredible, the Piper is simply out of this world- Psychedelia at its naive and terrorific explendor. Theres not any studio disc of Hawkwind who can get to these mythological level.... But first of all, later Floyds are music so gloomy so average and muzzak-like ( Its true , you can hear them in every coffeshop.... ! I even heard a lounge version of the Dark side in a waiting room!). Second, the spirit of later Floyd is #ihty ( i mean it), just a group of english bussinesmen wich are done with "these crazy thing of the psychedelic era" just living form the corpse of Barrets genius, who they used without any guiltiness ( all the " we love and remember Syd" thing is a fake). They supssedly high cultured, but is just cerebral, without any kind of revolutionary or real experimental hook. Just the apolinean music of the contrarevolution that leads to the 80. Is so normal that Jhonny Rotten hated them so earnestly...... What takes me to the third point, Hawkwind spirit is great!! Moorcoock, Calvert, Ladbroke pre-punkism, real activism, Turner and (not to forget) Lemmy. Real dreamers, real squatters. I could be talking for hours but.. Four point, the music.... !Hawkwind! Raw, simple, direct, ultra-spacy. Effective and afecctive ( i have to admit that some of the coolest down tempo songs of hawkwind are Floyd style.. like "The demented man" but hawkwinds one are straight and direct in their simplicity). What takes us to the final point o.k the Hawks dont have a studio album like the Piper...but they have the only live album that could ever be compared with the Piper... the awesome Space Ritual. Ok nothing can match the interstellatr overdrive but this song is not for every moment while space ritual is equally spacy and hooky. Its just my opinion. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 14:13
Agreed, tho' technically Atom Heart Mother charted higher than DSOTM in the UK - However it sold consistently for several years after that, so it was a stealth rise to stardom rather than a skyrocket. Harvest's promotion of DSOTM and all other PF albums has never been anything to write home about - it was always the stage shows that drew the attention and gained them album sales - the band themselves aways shied away from publicity and the stardom-machine. Similarly as you said, the Hawks were also consistent - they toured regularly and sold regularly, just not at the same scale as Floyd. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 14:34
Also, John Lydon never hated Pink Floyd, he just used them as a vehicle to propel his own stardom ( http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/rotten-i-love-pink-floyd - http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/rotten-i-love-pink-floyd ) ------------- What? |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 14:48
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^ He was also a big fan of HW and the Sex Pistols played a (rather dodgy) version of Silver Machine on their recent tour.
Conclusive Proof HW are better of course! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 15:07
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Speaking of "Silver Machine": The song actually is about a bicycle. Which leads us back full cycle: "I've got a bike, you can ride it if you like it's got a basket, a belt that rings and things to make it look good. I'd give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it". ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 15:10
How misinformed! You can have your opinion on music and that's fine. If you don't like the band that's cool, I support that. But your "opinion" is actually a lie. Pink Floyd never made a lot of money in the 70's. Their popular albums sold very well, this is true, but SO much of that money went into the pocket of the label, making the next album, and touring. Rock and roll was not profitable until the 80's. In fact, the band completely screwed the pooch (well, Roger did anyways) with The Wall tour. They had to invest in it heavily and ended up stopping the tour because they were essentially all out of money. The whole massive Pink Floyd tours in the 80's and 90's were done because the band was poor. Roger probably had quite a bit of money from songwriting royalties, but the rest of the band had nothing. These massive world tours were, I admit, for money. But every musician tours for money. I don't understand how people don't understand that. Do you think Hawkwind does free tours?! I know they've done free shows (Isle of Wight 1969) but they want money, they NEED money to continue being a band. That's just the way it is, man.
Also, David Gilmour has stopped taking royalty checks from Pink Floyd or his solo career. He donates any profits he gets from his album sales or tour sales and donates it to charities. I'm not talking one penny out of every dollar I'm talking 100%. He has a lot of money, granted, but how corporate is it for him to be donating his money every chance he gets? After Live 8 when Floyd got back together, their album sales skyrocketed something like 1000%. He donated all of that to charity. And that's not an opinion: that's a FACT. ------------- "Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 16:40
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^^Actually, Rick Wright made money on the Wall tour. This was because Waters sacked him from the band, and had to pay him wages to play as a session musician. Nice one.
"There is no f***ing Pink Floyd! I am Pink Floyd!", R Waters. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 16:50
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Hey, just thought of another similarity. Both bands have suffered an ugly and litigious schism, rendering key members of the band mortal enemies for life. Brock v Turner, Waters v the rest of the band.
Oh, and please don't direct me to you tube clips of Rog and Dave hugging on camera; I've seen 'em, and the thinly veiled look of loathing in the formers eyes gives me shivers. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: October 27 2009 at 21:26
------------- "Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 01:19
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A closer comparison might actually be Hawkwind v Pink Fairies ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: shockedjazz
Date Posted: October 28 2009 at 09:43
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Maybe yesterday i was too hard on my judge on the Post Syd Floyd´s:
For sure they were experimental, influential ( and one they influenced for sure were the Hawks- but as i say just for the gloomy songs) for all the scene. I like some parts of "Animals" "Wish you were here" "Ummagumma"..... but they generaly live me with a coldish feeling (even if they have really good songs), it seems they making something ultraconceptual, in a simphonic aproach, its never the real experimentation of the Piper. Also the depressing bitterness of the "Remembering Syd" albums makes me sick, even if i like some biterrness ........and i think is because as i say i dont believe in the we remember Syd thing, i seen several documentary i really dont believe the guys that kicked the ass of Barret so easily to be crying honestly for him, but thats my opinion.
Also the music before Syd makes me feel like "we lost our fellow mate by these stupid drug, psychedelic, fantastical thing and we are advising you what would happen to you- Stay cool while you pretend to be cool". Psychedelic moods against the psychedelic perspective.
All i can say is that the post barret albums deliver some kind of reflexive music that is not in any way spontaneous and i dont like that ( meanly because i have the Piper in mind- otherwise things will be different).
About the bussiness skills of Floyd........¿You are telling me they are not rich? I dont think so, they are like a trademark. Also Hawkwind but not a so commercial one ( you must be rich if you have lounge versions of your discs sounding in waiting rooms around the world- is a joke)
And Lydon in the times he was Rotten ( nowadays he is just saying silly things like the Pistols had a christian message...Oh maybe "Bodies" but hilarious in anyway) said the only group for him were the Hawks and is obvious why.....they were not a bunch of "fluffy bunnies".
The Hawks knows how to rock.....and the Post Syd Floyds knows how to make operas...is a matter of taste.
And not everyone that desagrees with you is an ignorant is a mateter of different perspectives.
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