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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 01:55
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:


It's safe to say IMO that it is the best debut album ever.


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Agreed. Incredibly strong debut, one of the few that have hooked me from the beginning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 10:18
It's definitely one of the best. The Who's album was quite incredibler, as far as I'm concerned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 13:20
Speaking of their debut and the early penchant for interesting covers, ever hear those BBC tapes from 1969?  There's a wild cover of "Something's Coming."  Don't recognize the title?  Neither did I at first, then the vocals kicked in. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7sRdRrm_w


It's Bernstein, from West Side Story!!  Nuts stuff!  (Couldn't find Yes doing it on Youtube though, sorry.)  It isn't all perfectly executed, but it's very interesting.  They went on of course to better things, but their earliest ideas were already stellar.

And oh, by the way if you didn't know it, No Opportunity Necessary is a cover too, by Richie Havens.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 13:23
Originally posted by Torqua Torqua wrote:

I had the privilege of attending my first yes concert in July and it was fantastic! In response to Benoit lacking emotion, i honestly couldn't tell given this was my first attendance and I 've never seen Jon Anderson live. Steve Howe was the best guitarist I have ever seen, just phenomenal.Squire was the best bassist, then again I've never seen Rush or Marcus Miller but Squire's tone and lines man, i was in heaven. Alan White was very disappointing, I can see why alot of Yes fan's don't give him much credit. He can certainly play drums but going on after Carl Palmer well that's a tough act to follow. Olive Wakemen was also a let down, Why didn't they ask Geoffrey Downes to do it, he's more than capable.

Over all it was a great performance and meant alot to me given i'm a young yes fan who wasn't able to see them in the hayday.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 13:41
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Speaking of their debut and the early penchant for interesting covers, ever hear those BBC tapes from 1969?  There's a wild cover of "Something's Coming."  Don't recognize the title?  Neither did I at first, then the vocals kicked in. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7sRdRrm_w


It's Bernstein, from West Side Story!!  Nuts stuff!  (Couldn't find Yes doing it on Youtube though, sorry.)  It isn't all perfectly executed, but it's very interesting.  They went on of course to better things, but their earliest ideas were already stellar.

And oh, by the way if you didn't know it, No Opportunity Necessary is a cover too, by Richie Havens.




I've got the original single of Sweetness, with Something's Coming as its B-Side - quite rare, apparently. It's mad and thoroughly enjoyable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2009 at 14:25
YES.. perhaps the most unique and most special band i know by now..

oh my god and i am going to see them live in munich in december! means more than christmas to me Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2009 at 21:19
Any thoughts about The Yes album? As far as I've read in this site, it seems to be very highly rated, yet it might just as well the album I like the least. The thing is, two of the three classics included here (I've Seen all Good People and Yours is no Disgrace) just aren't up to my taste, and the other classic, Starship Trooper, well, I love that song, but I prefer by far the live versions, specially the one on Keys to ascension with the extended keyboard solo by Wakeman, that's awsome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2009 at 21:23
Also, which would be your thoughts about the departure of Peter Banks? As far as I've read, I understand that Anderson and Squire were responsible for his leaving because they weren't happy with his guitar playing (in other words he was fired), with no other excuse. Now, I have mixed feelings about this, for it just seemed very rude the way they would get rid of him, but on the other hand, if Howe hadn't joined the group, well, we would never had gotten the real band that we all love.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 09:09
The Yes Album is a great album but I can understand why you have reservations about it. Some of the sections do seem to go on too long, there's more repetition than usual in an average Yes epic, and the sound is choppier and less smooth than later albums. However, all those things are things that I really like about the album and what makes it unique.
 
Peter Banks was a great guitar player. I think Yes would have been a great psychadelic-jazz-hard rock band with him in it, but they didn't want to go in that direction and that's the only direction he could go in, to be honest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 11:02
^ Dellinger.  I hope more people chime in on the Banks thing (how he left), I don't know myself. 

As to your not being so hot on The Yes Album, it takes a different kind of listening (no offense meant, please).  I view it as a very first foray into a whole new sound, not just for the band but for rock (try to name anything else like it at the time).  If the album suffers from anything at all it's that it's careful.  However I personally would never say it suffers from this fact, in truth I think it's beautiful and completely precious.  I find it, in this way, akin to some of the finer true-period classical pieces, which were not constructed to wow anyone, but to be considered, again, carefully.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 18:12
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

The Yes Album is a great album but I can understand why you have reservations about it. Some of the sections do seem to go on too long, there's more repetition than usual in an average Yes epic, and the sound is choppier and less smooth than later albums. However, all those things are things that I really like about the album and what makes it unique.
 
Peter Banks was a great guitar player. I think Yes would have been a great psychadelic-jazz-hard rock band with him in it, but they didn't want to go in that direction and that's the only direction he could go in, to be honest.


Well, The Yes Album was a huge transition for them. It took them from the Yes/Time and A Word era into the CTTE/Fragile/TFTO era. Therefore, it combines their early proto-prog days with their symphonic prog eras. Personally, The Yes Album may be my favorite Yes album, but I could understand what you are saying.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 18:34
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Only time i saw Yes was the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe tour
 

Howe was excellent Clap




I love ABWH, absolutely great band and album.


Was Tony Levin involved during the performance? On the ABWH DVD he's barely visible for most of the performance.


-Joel


Joel - if it is the same DVD as the VHS video I have, the reason why he is barely visible is the fact that he was absent ill. His place is taken by a session musician.
Now, don't be hatin' on Jeff Berlin--he was on Patrick Moraz' Story of i, and in Bruford too, BTW. And Levin wasn't ill--he just hadn't been signed for the tour (only the album).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2009 at 22:42
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

^ Dellinger.  I hope more people chime in on the Banks thing (how he left), I don't know myself. 


I think I've read Peter Banks himself saying even he didn't know why he'd been kicked out of Yes, and I've got the impression by other comentaries from him that he really took it very hard. In the site Notes from the Edge (nfte.org) are many interview with Yes member ex-members, etc, including Peter Banks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 10:03
Peter was exceptionally bitter about being kicked out of Yes. It was actually kind of complex: he was getting kind of weird and having battles of personality with the other members. He was the most rock oriented out of the group and was really disappointed by Time and A Word, especially since so many of his guitar parts were wiped out by orchestra parts. He also contends that he wrote a lot of the music in the band, but Jon got most of the credits. His reasoning was that Jon came in with very basic ideas on the guitar. Jon could barely play at that point, so his chords were usually a little off or wrong so Pete would clean up the guitar parts, make them better, and even had his own ideas, musically. Of course, that's just Pete's side of the story. To be honest, I buy it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 13:03
I buy it too.  In an of course much smaller situation, I've seen this not-so-rare personality conflict some years ago.  A band "leader" with good basic ideas but flawed in some ways (little if any working knowledge of theory, idiomatic writing, etc.), I take the parts and improve them, and this the leader is excited and appreciative of it... at first, that is until they began to despise me for it.  And in my little situation I wasn't even gunning for any kind of credit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 06:27

TWO SIDES OF PETER BANKS

Peter Banks

 

Jazz Rock/Fusion


4 stars I found this vinyl this weekend in a local record shop; they either didn't know what they had or didn't care since it was in the cheap bin.  I've been looking for this for a while, one of those ones you log in the back of your mind and are thrilled to one day come by.  Not a full or perfect record, but it's such a, well, cool record.   This album rocks.  Tony Banks plays wonderfully, from delicate to muscular on both the jazz and rock fronts, and the other musicians in the studio all do yeoman's work.  (Edit: Some might say Banks is challenged or overshadowed at times by Akkerman.  But perhaps him having such a great in such a role on the record says instead good things about Banks' personality?)  Side two is very free in feel, completing the record with a pretty all-guitars duet followed by two spontaneous jams full of great playing. Side one is the thing here.   It's a well oiled composition, but with a performance hastily thrown together; but that hastiness is the source of a lot of the excitement and charm in this record.  (Note well, the Hackett and Whetton contributions are small indeed, but this won't matter as the music takes you.)  And have I added that it rocks?  I'm split on whether to give it 3 or 4 stars.  I really enjoyed this one though - put it at 4-minus out of respect for all the great full-4's out there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 21:40
I found out about that CD some time ago, but haven't tried to get it yet. I was interested in the lineup though, however I don't remember everyone who was suposed to be included, yet it sounded like an all-star lineup. I wouldn't be surprised that Akkerman overshadowed Peter Banks, at least in parts of the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 21:40
There was Phil Collins in that album too, wasn't he?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:36
^  Here's the deal right off the back of the album.

Peter Banks: el & ac gtr, ARP, mini-Moog, Fender Piano; Jan Akkerman: el gtr (left channel) 1,4,6,8,9, ac gtr 7; Ray Bennett: bass 3,4,5; Phil Collins: drums 4,5,8,9; Steve Hackett: el gtr 5; Mike Hough: drums 3; John Whetton: bass 5. 8,9 are spontaneous jams.

side A
1. Vision of the King
2. The White House Vale
3. Knights
4. Battles
5. Knights (Reprise)
6. Last Eclipse
side B
7. Beyond the Loneliest Sea
8. Stop That!
9. Get Out of My Fridge

I haven't listened to this enough times yet to determine for myself just how much "overshadowing" there is - not a priority of mine anyway (just something other reviewers said).  The left-channel thing helps, though the transfer from vinyl that I made yesterday (Logic -> Waveburner for CD -> iTunes) used a "stereo spreader" effect which seems to have played with channel placement.  I'm going to have to go back and do that again. 

Collins does take on some very up-front responsibilities.  The other famous two, Hackett and Whetton, do very little indeed; Hackett is probably doing the quite idiomatic mandolining thing, which I like, don't get me wrong; with Whetton there's no immense stand out to the bass, or maybe he did half the track only (lots of editing) - he dropped by?  (Anyway that whole area of the record rocks regardless.)  The bass duties largely fall to the able Ray Bennett, who, along with Mike Hough, was in Peter Banks and Tony Kaye's group Flash.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:40
^^Sounds really interesting

On that note, does anybody have Alan White: Ramshackle?
I'm thinking of buying it for my dad as a gift, but I'm not fully convinced thus far...

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