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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 09:52
PROBLEM SOVED: Turn off the radio, put on some head phones, turn on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, get under some blankets, turn off the lights, let Gabe and the boys take you away. You won't ever be the same.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:04
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

PROBLEM SOVED: Turn off the radio, put on some head phones, turn on Selling England By The Pound, get under some blankets, turn off the lights, let Gabe and the boys take you away. You won't ever be the same.


There, even better. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 10:31
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Sorry, Ivan, but listen to the complexities of Close To The Edge, Relayer, Siberian Khatru (sp?).  Genesis played some good stuff, but nothing like this.  Genesis never gave me the feeling, as a musician, that I couldn't conceive or play the music (not the lyrics) myself.
 
Let's go step by Step
 
1.- Yes is one of the most accessible Prog bands (I remember Micky, one of the most fanatic Yes fans, calling them Pop Prog), their early material is basicallńy ROCK, simple and plain, they make a final product and overlay the arrangements, take the Organ solo of Close to the Edge and it's a boring track, but you add it and it's one of the best moments in Prog....But you can play the song with or without keyboards and still be coherent.
 
While the roots of Yes are in Beatles, Moody Blues and bands as Simon and Garfunkel,. the roots of Genesis can be traced diirectly to Prog, in other words to In the Court of the Crimson King, as a fact, their sound changed radically when Peter took a copy of In the Court to the first Trespass sessions.
 
Yes never broke with the past, still there are echoes of their first simpler albums in all their discography, you find nothing pre-Trespass in Prog Genesis.
 
2.- Genesis was an integral product, if you take a keyboard note from Musical Box, you make it unlistenable, you destroy the logic, the coherence. In Yes the keyboards are the cherry on the top of the cake, in Genesis the interplay between guitar and keyboards is the whole cake.
 
3.- Relayer is as complex as The Lamb, if not less.
 
4.- Siberian Khatru is a Rock track with complex arrangements, nothing more, while Fountain of Salmacis or Giant Hogweed are a compact work from which you can't remove anything.
 
My two cents
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2009 at 06:04
Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

Originally posted by SgtPepper67 SgtPepper67 wrote:

I disagree Genesis overdid anything and I don't think they were pretentious, at least not as much as many other prog bands. Their arrangements doesn't sound forced or unnecessarily complex, they usually added what their songs needed IMO.
 
Good to see somebody in agreement...like Ivan said, its not as if they solo for the sake of soloing and their arrangements are impeccable in that regard 
 
Someone else is in agreement here too... meSmile
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