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 Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:05 |
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no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it. However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site. This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone. By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous.. or worse... sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be... it is then unfair to judge them on the LACK of progressiveness...
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Micky, what you say has its coherence. But again, two things: one, people are judging an album in advance for a picture... a PICTURE... couldn't that be more... pretentious, to use a classical prog-word, or even stupid? but Teo... isn't Rocky right though ... the fact is you can make assuptions on the music based on the picture. One would be stupid to make assumptions as to quality.. but as to the substance... is he (or anyone) wrong to make assumptions as to what you are going to get? As I posted about though.. this isn't about quality... if quality was really what mattered here... we'd be talking about Pat Benatar. Two, if prog artists need to have pictures that also "push boundaries", then I expect we demand the same of all of them... starting with Rush, for example, a band that never changed their style since Moving Pictures, or even Yes, and many many more. There's only a handful of bands which changed and evolved radically from album to album. It would seem only DT HAS to do it or they're ridiculed.... And now we also add the obbligation of hiring a fantastic photographer and an artistic graphic designer!  very true point... with exception of Yes that did have shifts from album to album, even Rush that have changed styles since Moving Pictures as well. The point is that they do not have to push those boundries to be prog... the evil of genrefication has seen to that....... but what makes a group great ..is doing just that. Those if a group does not.. then again I ask.... is it unfair to judge them on lack of progressiveness. Like it or not my friend.. for a site about progressive rock.. that is going to be a VERY important point for a lot of people. Without it.. . what seperates Prog Metal from Metal that is simply technical.It has to be that artistic element.. the notion that it isn't all technical wizardry... but a sense of doing something WITH it. |
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:38 |
Good Micky... we've found that in order for me and the other gentleman to kind of be able to talk we need you as interpreter... good job...
micky wrote:
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micky wrote:
no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it. However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site. This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone. By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous.. or worse... sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be... it is then unfair to judge them on the LACK of progressiveness...
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Micky, what you say has its coherence. But again, two things: one, people are judging an album in advance for a picture... a PICTURE... couldn't that be more... pretentious, to use a classical prog-word, or even stupid? but Teo... isn't Rocky right though ... the fact is you can make assuptions on the music based on the picture. One would be stupid to make assumptions as to quality.. but as to the substance... is he (or anyone) wrong to make assumptions as to what you are going to get? As I posted about though.. this isn't about quality... if quality was really what mattered here... we'd be talking about Pat Benatar.
Obviously I don't think the gentleman is right through.You can make some guesses from pictures... but we all know albums with pictures that don't correspond.... besides, we're not talking about an album cover but about a photograph of THE BAND which maybe isn't even on the final ALBUM... It's not the same case... We have the cover of DT's next album... we do have it. But this thread is about a photograph of the band... With a blue background in a very prog-metal-ish way...
And of course, it shouldn't be about quality.
Two, if prog artists need to have pictures that also "push boundaries", then I expect we demand the same of all of them... starting with Rush, for example, a band that never changed their style since Moving Pictures, or even Yes, and many many more. There's only a handful of bands which changed and evolved radically from album to album. It would seem only DT HAS to do it or they're ridiculed.... And now we also add the obbligation of hiring a fantastic photographer and an artistic graphic designer! very true point... with exception of Yes that did have shifts from album to album Longer, more incoherent songs...  , even Rush that have changed styles since Moving Pictures as well. Yes.. from pseudo-prog to formerly-prog... The point is that they do not have to push those boundries to be prog... the evil of genrefication has seen to that....... but what makes a group great ..is doing just that. Then we agree Rush, Yes and all of those are NOT great? It seems only bands in Avant-garde are great... under that light... Those if a group does not.. then again I ask.... is it unfair to judge them on lack of progressiveness. That was not the initial judgement. And no, it is not entirely unfair. I insist, why only this band? Like it or not my friend.. for a site about progressive rock.. that is going to be a VERY important point for a lot of people. I haven't seen that. Most people love their bands even if they haven't changed a bit. Some gentlemen crave and need for that "progression" factor in every album they hear... Without it.. . what seperates Prog Metal from Metal that is simply technical.I've said it before in huge threads and posts.... not much... except elements and artistic intention, two things that the band we're discussing pretty much created for metal after others laid the foundations... So even if today they're not cutting-edge prog, they ARE a progressive-metal band as much as Rush is a prog-rock band... Because they broke the molds once, and we like them for that. Now we enjoy them like they are. It has to be that artistic element.. the notion that it isn't all technical wizardry... but a sense of doing something WITH it. |
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:42 |
I think the problem here is another... I have to wonder at the reason why some people feel the need to post in a thread whose topic they are clearly NOT interested in, just in order to bash it (and, indirectly, those who instead are interested in the topic). Yes, I know all about freedom of speech and all that, but at this point I have to wonder about myself... Why is it that I avoid posting in threads about bands/artists/kind of music/social phenomena (etc. etc.) I have no interest in? Perhaps there is something inherently flawed in me if I don't feel the need to bash something I don't like? 
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:46 |
Exactly... The Gentleman I was exchanging some words with a while ago (not Micky) is obviously (and has said it several times) not even remotely warmed by DT... (neither is Micky for that matter but he has tried...).... This "showing the world my final word of wisdom" is just so.... socially-inmature... people need to show off whatever they think they have enough of to show off even when it's obvious it will create a bad moment for many involved....
Real super-intelligence of course is showed by avoiding situations which will create the same exact stupid effect that they caused before....
Edited by The T - April 03 2009 at 13:47
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:46 |
excellent Teo... great reply... you took that where I wanted to take it my friend.  I liked this in particular... great answer So even if today they're not cutting-edge prog, they ARE a progressive-metal band as much as Rush is a prog-rock band... Because they broke the molds once, and we like them for that. Now we enjoy them like they are
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Padraic
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:48 |
The T wrote:
It seems only bands in Avant-garde are great...
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out of context FTW! 
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:52 |
         
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:52 |
Glad I can now leave this thread until, like Michael Corleone, they pull me back in no matter how hard I try to get out....
Edited by The T - April 03 2009 at 13:53
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54 |
.. though I'd love a TFTO cover......just one smile.... one pastel shirt... that is all I ask..... 
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Raff
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54 |
Making you an offer you can't refuse ?
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54 |
Sorry... I can't avoid cheap shots...  but if we really want bands that only constantly change, I will have to give it up to that genre that they are the leaders...
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:57 |
I saw Iron Maiden last noght... it was so great.... Bruce Dickinson is so f**king great.... that only made me realize...
Labrie should sue Portnoy and petrucci for forcing him to stand in Dickinson's shoes and sing "the number of the beast"....
So PLEASE... no more covers! (even though TFTO could only be improved upon...)
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hawkcwg
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:57 |
SOLAR FLARES!!!!!!! SOLAR FLARES!!!!!!!
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:01 |
^Da Chazter... what the hell is your point?? 
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:26 |
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Roland113
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:27 |
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I would like to point out that in all of the pictures above, John Myung's hair is perfectly still despite the whirlwinds that are surrounding LaBrie at times.
I've said it before...(I think it was page 1 or 2) beware Myung.
'Help' they cry, 'help meeeee'
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-------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob-------
I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:29 |
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I'm sorry... but you could imagine waking up every morning and finding Rudess's face being the the first thing you see....
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:30 |
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Again... Labrie is the SUN...
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:30 |
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and Myung buried in the mix
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The T
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:36 |
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And Rudess showing-off his superman skills... and Portnoy a busy ant... and petrucci overpowering them all with his mighty hands...
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