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Topic: New Dream Theater photo
Posted By: hawkcwg
Subject: New Dream Theater photo
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:24


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Replies:
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:47
Hahahaha, I like the CGI clouds and high contrast, but I still think something is missing. ;-)


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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:47
Henry, you are some kind of god


Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:52
They look angry. . .

and windy. . .

and dark . . .

You could say that they look dangrindy. . .

Though the wind doesn't seem to be effecting John Myung...maybe he's a warlock or a ghost . . .

Dream Theater is famous for hidden meanings and such in their album covers and pictures, maybe they're secretly crying for help...'help help' they cry, "John Myung is holding us hostage."

I'm just sayin'




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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.


Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:53
I'm anxiously waiting what this thread turns into. LOL


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:54
I lol'd so hard when I saw this. Any hope I had of a good album vanished with that picture. 

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 14:56
Okay, lolz and all aside - why is everyone basing the quality of the music on the new album by the artwork and press photos?

That's just stupid.


Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:03
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Hahahaha, I like the CGI clouds and high contrast, but I still think something is missing. ;-)




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:06
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Okay, lolz and all aside - why is everyone basing the quality of the music on the new album by the artwork and press photos?

That's just stupid.


Its not stupid at all. From experience, I'm correct 98-99% of the time.

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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:06
I think my ass just fell on the floor.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:07
Bracing for epic.

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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:08
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think my ass just fell on the floor.


haha LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I'm still dying haha LOL


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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:10
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Okay, lolz and all aside - why is everyone basing the quality of the music on the new album by the artwork and press photos?

That's just stupid.


Its not stupid at all. From experience, I'm correct 98-99% of the time.


Well then, I guess we prog fans ARE all elitist, narcissistic t**trods Tongue


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:12
Originally posted by hawkcwg hawkcwg wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Hahahaha, I like the CGI clouds and high contrast, but I still think something is missing. ;-)




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


hahahha..  oh that's nice...

and the subliminal meaning of the pic...

dickheads?   wow... what are they doing ..going ELP on us...  showing a sense of humor here. hahah.

I like it.. clappies for DT ClapClap


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:15
I want my ...... to light up like a distant galaxy. Henry, are you the man for that kind of thing?

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:18
[whoops... so much for a sense of humor..  so this is what they give us..urggg..

let's have a poll...

this...



versus that...




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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:21
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

[whoops... so much for a sense of humor..  so this is what they give us..urggg..

let's have a poll...

this...



versus that...




 LOL I don't know Dream Theater does have the lit up ...... and John Petrucci and Jordan Rudess look pretty good LOL


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:24
you would figure at some point.. what.. how old are they...  they might learn to smile...wash and style their hair... and try pastels or something...  LOL

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:24
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I want my ...... to light up like a distant galaxy. Henry, are you the man for that kind of thing?


GOODNESS GRACIOUS GREAT BALLS OF FIRE


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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:25
He's a warlock I tell you, a Warlock.

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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.


Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:42
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Okay, lolz and all aside - why is everyone basing the quality of the music on the new album by the artwork and press photos?

That's just stupid.


Quite true. Judging only by the cover, Close to the Edge, The Yes Album, Hamburger Concerto, Moonmadness, Thick as a Brick, etc, etc, etc all suck, like Portnoy would say, ass and balls.


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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 15:44
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Hahahaha, I like the CGI clouds and high contrast, but I still think something is missing. ;-)


Besides, why is it LIGHT COMING OUT OF THEIR CROTCHES/PENISES?


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 17:39
What do you mean, besides? Cocks are an integral part of rock and metal, even metal as serious as DT.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:10
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Hahahaha, I like the CGI clouds and high contrast, but I still think something is missing. ;-)


Besides, why is it LIGHT COMING OUT OF THEIR CROTCHES/PENISES?


arrrgggg...  what are you doing on this site...  are you a prog fan? LOL


art...  it's art brother..Big smile


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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:27
Why is it that your avatar is completely absent of lens flares?


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:40
Mr. Plainview doth tickle the living sh*t out of me.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:44
I agree... Mr. Plainview deserves some clappies...  that was creation of love.. of art.. maybe not quite the Mona Lisa.. but it still packed an emotional wallop.LOL

ClapClap


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:51
Mike, you are absolutely right, and your bold thinking has again inspired me to take things all the way. In this case, with lasers, which I believe are extremely metal, if not rendered as skillfully by my hand as I might wish.

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:54
I must confess...I prefer the laserless Plainview.  Don't dick yourself.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 18:58
same here....   subtlety is a art...


so I've been told at least...


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:00
Even though I spent five minutes making them, you are correct, they are too poorly rendered to be an effective representation of the power and the glory.
 
A true artist does not listen to criticisms, but I am not a true artist.


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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:01
New version is good now.

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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:07
Bwahhhahaha,

Love the eyes Mr. Plainview...

I'm still sayin, beware the eyes of Myung...he'll suck your soul out.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:10
hahahha... I like that as well

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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:19
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

New version is new.

Fixed.Tongue


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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:20
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

New version is new.

Fixed.Tongue


Redundancy ftl


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 19:23
10 virtual bucks Henry and an immortal spot as my signature for a month....if you can do that voodoo you do so well and put my avatar in the place of that silly skull and crossbones shirt...LOL

with that.. you'd have the Mona Lisa


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 20:40
micky, I am a novice at Photoshop, really, if you want to be really impressed you need to see some of the shops SomethingAwful pulls off, but your wish is my command.
If you don't like this crop I can do it again, but I thought it looked the best


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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 20:40
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Even though I spent five minutes making them, you are correct, they are too poorly rendered to be an effective representation of the power and the glory.
 
A true artist does not listen to criticisms, but I am not a true artist.


“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.”

Oscar Wilde quotes


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 20:44
It may be too over the top, but this thread needs the DT guys with the lens flare only on their johnsons. I dare say the guys themselves may take note if Henry were to produce such a masterpiece.
 
And Mickey's avatar on Portnoy's shirt, of course.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 20:59
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I dare say the guys themselves may take note if Henry were to produce such a masterpiece.
I doubt they pay attention to anything on the internet. I wouldn't  if I were in their position.
 
And as micky said, subtlety is art. ;-)


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 21:10
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I dare say the guys themselves may take note if Henry were to produce such a masterpiece.
I doubt they pay attention to anything on the internet. I wouldn't  if I were in their position.
 
And as micky said, subtlety is art. ;-)
 
You'd be surprised, this is a big site.
 
In any case, I appreciate your taste and restraint. Though the amount of guffaws would be legendary.


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 21:31
I disagree, otherwise I would have already done it. ;-)
 
WAKE UP MICKY MY VANITY REQUIRES INSTANT GRATIFICATION!


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 21:51
I've been on other sites where we as a group thought nobody "famous" tuned in. We were wrong. 
 
This is the biggest prog site on the net, do you honestly think DT doesn't check it out once in awhile? And if a specific thread referring to them and their galactical johnsons came up, you don't think someone in their entourage wouldn't say, "hey mike, this is pretty funny, check this out."
 
 
 
 


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.


Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:11
They don't have enough time to go to every site that mentions there name. They have instructional dvds, photo session with henry, they are busy people, they don't have time for a Music Nerd website.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:21
I don't find anything that funny in the original pic... it's just a typical progressive-metal pic....
 
Though H. Plainview's adaptation is actually good... LOL
 
Of course, besides that point, is very curious how super-intelligent people dismiss an album before listening to it, just based on one picture....
 
King-by-Tor and CCVP said it right....
 


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:29
I personally think that the photo has absolutely nothing to do with what's coming except that I doubt it's going to be pop. LOL
 
Of course the actual members of the band don't troll all the sites that mention them. But their social group is sure to include people that wander through here, and I wouldn't doubt if they have people whose job it is to see how fans (us) are reacting to promotional material. If it's funny (or really negative) then it gets back to the actual band members.
 
In our case, if a humorous photo with luminary cocks were to appear, receptive childish bandmembers (Portnoy) might hear about it.
 


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:37
this is what I really see:




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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:40
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I lol'd so hard when I saw this. Any hope I had of a good album vanished with that picture. 


The same.
But I didn't lol.



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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:55
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I personally think that the photo has absolutely nothing to do with what's coming except that I doubt it's going to be pop. LOL
 
Of course the actual members of the band don't troll all the sites that mention them. But their social group is sure to include people that wander through here, and I wouldn't doubt if they have people whose job it is to see how fans (us) are reacting to promotional material. If it's funny (or really negative) then it gets back to the actual band members.
 
In our case, if a humorous photo with luminary cocks were to appear, receptive childish bandmembers (Portnoy) might hear about it.
 


luminary cocks  LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
receptive childish band members (Portnoy) LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
Portnoy Is so immature your right haha LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 22:55
they look like a biker gang from Pennsylvania called The Fathers of Fire or something

 


Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 23:21
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't find anything that funny in the original pic... it's just a typical progressive-metal pic....
 
Though H. Plainview's adaptation is actually good... LOL
 
Of course, besides that point, is very curious how super-intelligent people dismiss an album before listening to it, just based on one picture....
 
King-by-Tor and CCVP said it right....
 


If you can't find enough info in that image to be able to read what king of music you're gonna get, you should be more worried about your own super-intelligence. Based on that photo I know that DT haven't changed into something I can listen to. Its plain obvious. I can probably teach you how to read images better, if you want to.

Like you say, its a typical progressive-metal pic... for a another typical progressive metal album.


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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me


Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 23:54
Now I know what my avatar needs in the upper-right hand corner. It's a shame, I don't have photoshop.

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 01 2009 at 23:58
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

this is what I really see:


 
Actually, can you add the luminescence to these guys weenies, the effect might even be better.


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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.


Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:07
[/QUOTE]
 I can probably teach you how to read images better, if you want to.

Like you say, its a typical progressive-metal pic... for a another typical progressive metal album.
[/QUOTE]

haha LOL thats great


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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:30
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Now I know what my avatar needs in the upper-right hand corner. It's a shame, I don't have photoshop.


If you post the original size of your avatar, I could put this DT picture or Henry's masterful adaptation in the upper right.


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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:38
Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Now I know what my avatar needs in the upper-right hand corner. It's a shame, I don't have photoshop.


If you post the original size of your avatar, I could put this DT picture or Henry's masterful adaptation in the upper right.
I was thinking just a lens flare. I'm sending you a PM with my avatar anyways though. Who knows, maybe Portnoy's bright shiny crotch is a far better choice.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:40
OK, good April Fool's Joke, DT. Where's the real photo?

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:47
I have too much time on my hands.


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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 00:52
Good lord Henry, get off the computer man:P

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Posted By: Treasure
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 06:30
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I have too much time on my hands.


HAHAHAHAHAHA! The Dark s I de of the Lateralus. Also some hand which I forget what album it's from.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 14:25
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I don't find anything that funny in the original pic... it's just a typical progressive-metal pic....
 
Though H. Plainview's adaptation is actually good... LOL
 
Of course, besides that point, is very curious how super-intelligent people dismiss an album before listening to it, just based on one picture....
 
King-by-Tor and CCVP said it right....
 


If you can't find enough info in that image to be able to read what king of music you're gonna get, you should be more worried about your own super-intelligence. Based on that photo I know that DT haven't changed into something I can listen to. Its plain obvious. I can probably teach you how to read images better, if you want to.

Like you say, its a typical progressive-metal pic... for a another typical progressive metal album.
 
Rocky my love! It's been a long time since we talked!
 
Actually, I wasn't talking about you... I thought we were going to stay away from each other... tsk tsk tsk...terrible Rocky boy terrible....I was. just... throwing words at the wind you know.. 
 
Now please mi amigo teach me how to read images.... I mean, remember: the reading of the image has to tell me, without any shadow of a doubt, what an album will sound like...
 
Teach me my friend... my love.... plants and dogs have a language which you have decoded... now it's the time for pictures!


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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 18:00
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

plants and dogs have a language which you have decoded... now it's the time for pictures!


Where the f*ck is his Nobel Prize in Literature???????


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:09
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

plants and dogs have a language which you have decoded... now it's the time for pictures!


Where the f*ck is his Nobel Prize in Literature???????


hahahhahahha... 

coming back to this.... I have a pic I need to find....


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:14
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

micky, I am a novice at Photoshop, really, if you want to be really impressed you need to see some of the shops SomethingAwful pulls off, but your wish is my command.
If you don't like this crop I can do it again, but I thought it looked the best



ClapClap


I like the crop ..definitely






you have more talent that I do or else my reign of terror on this site would be even more legendary hahaha

.... now... do that cool thing you did with the lights on the faces...'art' up that bitch.. and I'll use that as promised. No way in hell those faces on in my signature LOL


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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:20
you should put a face on everyones shirts haha LOL

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

plants and dogs have a language which you have decoded... now it's the time for pictures!


Where the f*ck is his Nobel Prize in Literature???????


hahahhahahha... 

coming back to this.... I have a pic I need to find....



now...  time to turn serious...

does Rocky have point... in his own unique plants and dogs language... I think he does...

bear with me....

what is the purpose of that pic...  what did I post something to the effect of earlier in the thread. What has happened to 'art' as being a very important and distinctive subtext of prog. 

 As usual it was a joke... but as usual with a bit of subtle meaning. 

The picture can be seen as symptom of the break down progressive rock.. and 'progressive' rock

why did classic prog appeal to so many people as it did...  it was art.. it was about pushing artistic and musical boundries.   What has prog become today.... genrefied is what it has become (© Micky 2008).   Just as pop, country and other forms of popular music have become.

What is that picture all about... image....image over substance.  It is a targeted appeal to a partcular subset of the listening audience.  How much more effective would that picture have been if there was some 'meaning' to it.   The point in which I think Rocky was right...  was not making a value judgment of the music itself... but telling just what that music IS going to be like, and if you didn't like it before... you sure as hell are not going to like it now.  You can tell from that picture that DT is not going to roll out anything remotely progressive...  take listeners for a real musical ride as musicians of their caliber SHOULD do.

That I think is the point Rocky was trying to make.. could be wrong.... I don't speak plants and dogs... only broken English.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 02 2009 at 23:55

^Interesting Micky... you may have a resemblance of a point here... I mean, you actually try to make it work and sound kind of coherent and you somewhat succeed... even in your "broken English"...

But that doesn't mean, anyway, that the picture (this or ANY other photograph of any other artist, prog-metal or not) can tell whether an album will be good or not. MAYBE, MAYBE it will give you some indication of the style that you can expect to find in the music... but the quality? Really?

Anyway this is of course highly subjective as we all know (except one) and it was my mistake to enter this very intelligent thread, seeing that I also tend to lose some objectivity when people judge DT one way, and then countless other bands another way.
 
My beloved one, R, I tell you again: I don't want to have problems with you ever again, I think we both want that. So stop quoting me unless I say, literally, that you're an idiot. Something that you have said in the past about me, in your very social style... But I will not avoid DT threads only because you appear there, so please, stay out of my way. Heart


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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 05:14

All I'll say is that if the new album is as good as the last one, that will do very nicely for me Approve.



Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 07:22
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
My beloved one, R, I tell you again: I don't want to have problems with you ever again, I think we both want that. So stop quoting me unless I say, literally, that you're an idiot. Something that you have said in the past about me, in your very social style... But I will not avoid DT threads only because you appear there, so please, stay out of my way. Heart


I can promise you as much as this: I won't quote you unless I think you write something really stupid.

Now let's start our course with a not to difficult task:

What genre do you think this band belongs to?

What do you think the quality of the music will be like? 

And is it likely to appeal to a elitist snob like myself (in an unironic way)?

Any thoughts?



Btw: Obviously Micky (and everyone else) understood my post better than you did.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 09:18
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
My beloved one, R, I tell you again: I don't want to have problems with you ever again, I think we both want that. So stop quoting me unless I say, literally, that you're an idiot. Something that you have said in the past about me, in your very social style... But I will not avoid DT threads only because you appear there, so please, stay out of my way. Heart


I can promise you as much as this: I won't quote you unless I think you write something really stupid.

Now let's start our course with a not to difficult task:

What genre do you think this band belongs to?

What do you think the quality of the music will be like? 

And is it likely to appeal to a elitist snob like myself (in an unironic way)?

Any thoughts?



Btw: Obviously Micky (and everyone else) understood my post better than you did.


let me play....


quality?... sorry Rocky... quality is the eye of the beholder...   show me a Debby Gibson album cover..and I'll show you a great teeny pop album.

genre?  that is akin to asking what the music is like... it is in that that I think you are right... it is damned obvious just what you are going to get with that.. unless the group is a lot more subtle than the cover itself is hahha.  All it is missing is some tits and ass.  It is obviously (forgetting the title) a heavy metal album.

and yes... for someone like you Rocky...a cover like that is an immediate turn off to someone who likes their music more on the 'progressive' or experimental side.  Just as it would for a fan of Faith Hill or whatever the flavor of the week is for hip-hop artists.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 09:24
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Interesting Micky... you may have a resemblance of a point here... I mean, you actually try to make it work and sound kind of coherent and you somewhat succeed... even in your "broken English"...

But that doesn't mean, anyway, that the picture (this or ANY other photograph of any other artist, prog-metal or not) can tell whether an album will be good or not. MAYBE, MAYBE it will give you some indication of the style that you can expect to find in the music... but the quality? Really?

Anyway this is of course highly subjective as we all know (except one) and it was my mistake to enter this very intelligent thread, seeing that I also tend to lose some objectivity when people judge DT one way, and then countless other bands another way.
 
My beloved one, R, I tell you again: I don't want to have problems with you ever again, I think we both want that. So stop quoting me unless I say, literally, that you're an idiot. Something that you have said in the past about me, in your very social style... But I will not avoid DT threads only because you appear there, so please, stay out of my way. Heart


no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it.  However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site.  This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone.  By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous..  or worse...  sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be...  it is then unfair to judge them on  the LACK of progressiveness...


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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 09:27
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Okay, lolz and all aside - why is everyone basing the quality of the music on the new album by the artwork and press photos?

That's just stupid.


If they're pushing a certain aesthetic with the visual aspect of the album, would it be crazy for this to be indicative of the musical aesthetic being pursued as well?



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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 09:38
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:




quality?... sorry Rocky... quality is the eye of the beholder...  


An otherwise good post, but: Yawn.

In my first posts I never mentioned quality, though. This was just a question added here.


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In the sunlight, see - it flashes
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But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 09:39
oh sure... think quality was mentioned elsewhere..

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 12:14
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:




quality?... sorry Rocky... quality is the eye of the beholder...  


An otherwise good post, but: Yawn.

In my first posts I never mentioned quality, though. This was just a question added here.


now.. time for you to play... same questions.. different picture...




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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 12:37
Ahh yes, I remember the good old days when this was about lens flare and the appropriate placement thereof.

Those were good times huh?

(PS, on the picture above, I totally think the girl on the left is easy, she has that look to her).


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 12:44
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
My beloved one, R, I tell you again: I don't want to have problems with you ever again, I think we both want that. So stop quoting me unless I say, literally, that you're an idiot. Something that you have said in the past about me, in your very social style... But I will not avoid DT threads only because you appear there, so please, stay out of my way. Heart


I can promise you as much as this: I won't quote you unless I think you write something really stupid.

Now let's start our course with a not to difficult task:

What genre do you think this band belongs to?

What do you think the quality of the music will be like? 

And is it likely to appeal to a elitist snob like myself (in an unironic way)?

Any thoughts?

(PICTURE)

Btw: Obviously Micky (and everyone else) understood my post better than you did.
 
Oh no my love. I understood it perfectly. I know exactly what motivated you to say that. And it's not musical my one....
 
But if you promise not to quote me "unless you say something really stupid", then you already have said something extremely stupid, because you will be quoting me every now and then, as I take this place more like a relaxing spot rather than the only chance to interact with pseudo-human-beings, which is your view of PA.
 
Which shows that you're already deserving quoting from me... after all, it's a sign of social stupidity to continue to push a road that doesn't take you anywhere with a person that you'll never meet.... But what can I say, it's not your fault My Most Precious One... you can learn only so many social skills from conifers and a cocker spaniel....
 
To end my little gossip session with you Rock, let me just say that the cover you present me is extremely atrocious. It may tell me that the music inside will be metal-ish, kind of Manowar-like... but it still doesn't tell me anything about its quality.
 
And of course, you're right: it will not appeal to an elitist snob like yourself (your words).  


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 12:50
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it.  However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site.  This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone.  By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous..  or worse...  sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be...  it is then unfair to judge them on  the LACK of progressiveness...
 
Micky, what you say has its coherence. But again, two things: one, people are judging an album in advance for a picture... a PICTURE... couldn't that be more... pretentious, to use a classical prog-word, or even stupid?  Two, if prog artists need to have pictures that also "push boundaries", then I expect we demand the same of all of them... starting with Rush, for example, a band that never changed their style since Moving Pictures, or even Yes, and many many more. There's only a handful of bands which changed and evolved radically from album to album. It would seem only DT HAS to do it or they're ridiculed.... And now we also add the obbligation of hiring a fantastic photographer and an artistic graphic designer! LOL


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 12:52
hahhahahha...


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:05
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it.  However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site.  This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone.  By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous..  or worse...  sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be...  it is then unfair to judge them on  the LACK of progressiveness...
 
Micky, what you say has its coherence. But again, two things: one, people are judging an album in advance for a picture... a PICTURE... couldn't that be more... pretentious, to use a classical prog-word, or even stupid?   but Teo... isn't Rocky right though ...  the fact is you can make assuptions on the music based on the picture. One would be stupid  to make assumptions as to quality.. but as to the substance...  is he (or anyone) wrong to make assumptions as to what you are going to get? As I posted about though.. this isn't about quality...  if quality was really what mattered here...  we'd be talking about Pat Benatar.

 Two, if prog artists need to have pictures that also "push boundaries", then I expect we demand the same of all of them... starting with Rush, for example, a band that never changed their style since Moving Pictures, or even Yes, and many many more. There's only a handful of bands which changed and evolved radically from album to album. It would seem only DT HAS to do it or they're ridiculed.... And now we also add the obbligation of hiring a fantastic photographer and an artistic graphic designer! LOL

very true point... with exception of Yes that did have shifts from album to album, even Rush that have changed styles since Moving Pictures as well.   The point is that they do not have to push those boundries to be prog... the evil of genrefication has seen to that....... but what makes a group great ..is doing just that.  Those if a group does not..  then again I ask.... is it unfair to judge them on lack of progressiveness.  Like it or not my friend.. for a site about progressive rock.. that is going to be a VERY important point for a lot of people.  Without it.. . what seperates Prog Metal from Metal that is simply technical.It has to be that artistic element.. the notion that it isn't all technical wizardry... but a sense of doing something WITH it.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:38
Good Micky... we've found that in order for me and the other gentleman to kind of be able to talk we need you as interpreter... good job... LOL
 
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


no... I agree... quality has nothing to do with it.  However.. to string the conversation along... if quality was all that mattered.. why don't we review Duran Duran or Pat Benatar albums on this site.  This site is about progressive rock... and what makes progressive rock so good... when artists push the boundries and explore places that they.. or others might not have gone.  By doing another album in the same vein as they have done previous..  or worse...  sounding (and looking hahhaha) like a Metallica wanna-be...  it is then unfair to judge them on  the LACK of progressiveness...
 
Micky, what you say has its coherence. But again, two things: one, people are judging an album in advance for a picture... a PICTURE... couldn't that be more... pretentious, to use a classical prog-word, or even stupid?   but Teo... isn't Rocky right though ...  the fact is you can make assuptions on the music based on the picture. One would be stupid  to make assumptions as to quality.. but as to the substance...  is he (or anyone) wrong to make assumptions as to what you are going to get? As I posted about though.. this isn't about quality...  if quality was really what mattered here...  we'd be talking about Pat Benatar.

Obviously I don't think the gentleman is right through.You can make some guesses from pictures... but we all know albums with pictures that don't correspond.... besides, we're not talking about an album cover but about a photograph of THE BAND which maybe isn't even on the final ALBUM... It's not the same case... We have the cover of DT's next album... we do have it. But this thread is about a photograph of the band... With a blue background in a very prog-metal-ish way...

And of course, it shouldn't be about quality.



 Two, if prog artists need to have pictures that also "push boundaries", then I expect we demand the same of all of them... starting with Rush, for example, a band that never changed their style since Moving Pictures, or even Yes, and many many more. There's only a handful of bands which changed and evolved radically from album to album. It would seem only DT HAS to do it or they're ridiculed.... And now we also add the obbligation of hiring a fantastic photographer and an artistic graphic designer! LOL

very true point... with exception of Yes that did have shifts from album to album Longer, more incoherent songs... Tongue, even Rush that have changed styles since Moving Pictures as well.  Yes.. from pseudo-prog to formerly-prog...  The point is that they do not have to push those boundries to be prog... the evil of genrefication has seen to that....... but what makes a group great ..is doing just that.  Then we agree Rush, Yes and all of those are NOT great? It seems only bands in Avant-garde are great... under that light... Those if a group does not..  then again I ask.... is it unfair to judge them on lack of progressiveness. That was not the initial judgement. And no, it is not entirely unfair. I insist, why only this band?  Like it or not my friend.. for a site about progressive rock.. that is going to be a VERY important point for a lot of people.  I haven't seen that. Most people love their bands even if they haven't changed a bit. Some gentlemen crave and need for that "progression" factor in every album they hear... Without it.. . what seperates Prog Metal from Metal that is simply technical.I've said it before in huge threads and posts.... not much... except elements and artistic intention, two things that the band we're discussing pretty much created for metal after others laid the foundations... So even if today they're not cutting-edge prog, they ARE a progressive-metal band as much as Rush is a prog-rock band... Because they broke the molds once, and we like them for that. Now we enjoy them like they are. It has to be that artistic element.. the notion that it isn't all technical wizardry... but a sense of doing something WITH it.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:42
I think the problem here is another... I have to wonder at the reason why some people feel the need to post in a thread whose topic they are clearly NOT interested in, just in order to bash it (and, indirectly, those who instead are interested in the topic).

Yes, I know all about freedom of speech and all that, but at this point I have to wonder about myself... Why is it that I avoid posting in threads about bands/artists/kind of music/social phenomena (etc. etc.) I have no interest in? Perhaps there is something inherently flawed in me if I don't feel the need to bash something I don't like?Confused


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:46

Exactly... The Gentleman I was exchanging some words with a while ago (not Micky) is obviously (and has said it several times) not even remotely warmed by DT... (neither is Micky for that matter but he has tried...LOL).... This "showing the world my final word of wisdom" is just so.... socially-inmature... people need to show off whatever they think they have enough of to show off even when it's obvious it will create a bad moment for many involved....

Real super-intelligence of course is showed by avoiding situations which will create the same exact stupid effect that they caused before....



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:46
excellent Teo...  great reply... you took that where I wanted to take it my friend.  Clap


I liked this in particular... great answer Clap 

So even if today they're not cutting-edge prog, they ARE a progressive-metal band as much as Rush is a prog-rock band... Because they broke the molds once, and we like them for that. Now we enjoy them like they are







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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:48
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

It seems only bands in Avant-garde are great...


out of context FTW!

Big smile


Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:52













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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:52

Glad I can now leave this thread until, like Michael Corleone, they pull me back in no matter how hard I try to get out....  Tongue



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54
..  though I'd love a TFTO cover......just one smile.... one pastel shirt... that is all I ask.....LOL

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54
Making you an offer you can't refuseLOL?


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:54
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

It seems only bands in Avant-garde are great...


out of context FTW!

Big smile
 
Sorry... I can't avoid cheap shots...Embarrassed but if we really want bands that only constantly change, I will have to give it up to that genre that they are the leaders...


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:57
I saw Iron Maiden last noght... it was so great.... Bruce Dickinson is so f**king great.... that only made me realize...
 
Labrie should sue Portnoy and petrucci for forcing him to stand in Dickinson's shoes and sing "the number of the beast"....
 
So PLEASE... no more covers! (even though TFTO could only be improved upon...)


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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:57
Originally posted by hawkcwg hawkcwg wrote:














SOLAR FLARES!!!!!!! SOLAR FLARES!!!!!!!


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:01
^Da Chazter... what the hell is your point?? Confused

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:26
hahahhaha...  I wanted art.... I got it...  well it isn't quite Roger Dean and TFTO... but it does have.. COLORS!!!!!!!!!! HeartHug

Originally posted by Treasure Treasure wrote:







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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:27
I would like to point out that in all of the pictures above, John Myung's hair is perfectly still despite the whirlwinds that are surrounding LaBrie at times.

I've said it before...(I think it was page 1 or 2)  beware Myung.

'Help' they cry, 'help meeeee'


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:29
I'm sorry...  but you could imagine waking up every morning and finding Rudess's face being the the first thing you see.... 

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:30
Again... Labrie is the SUN...

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:30
and Myung buried in the mix

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 03 2009 at 14:36
And Rudess showing-off his superman skills... and Portnoy a busy ant... and petrucci overpowering them all with his mighty hands...

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