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Epignosis 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Online Points: 32553 |
 Posted: November 19 2008 at 11:49 |
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My opinion on the matter was articulated by the late George Carlin many, many years ago:
"Shoot is just sh*t with two Os." |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:08 |
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Come on, I don't often swear or use these words, but I should be able to use the censor with asterisks when I feel I must get my point across, or else I might actually be tempted to circumvent it, since I can't use the asterisk version (BTW, I have developped a few methods, which I jokingly used once or twice
 ). And the fact that uncensored prog forum are certainly not anymore violent or shocking than PA, but I understand the average age here causes a problem.
So instead of modifying the censor, I'd try to fix it when it goes overboard and we cant write bandnames Stilt**ter and other perfectly innocent names.
I haven't really noticed much more asterisks around, either.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 13:07 |
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I don't like censorship, I abhorr censorshipp.. if there are 13 year-old prog fans coming here they better learn that prog-land is not disney-land but just another segment of the real world we live in where people, yes, say things like F.
As you know, I swear only a little... it's not that IO think my posts will be affected... but it's the general idea behind this what I'm against.
At least keep the asterisks. The somehow manage to at least look less "offensive" (come one... if you get offended by someone saying something -most of the times not even at you but just throwing it at the air-) then the interenet is not your place. I guess. Or maybe forums for... kids... (where there';s probabl much more foul language anyway, haha).
The moment I see a F*** replaced by a "fluffy" will be the moment I'll decide to be just a team member and a reviewer. Again, not because I really say F** that much (actually, almost never) but because I'd feel I'm in ProgKindergarten....
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 16:54 |
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That doesn't really address the logic behind your previous post does it?
On the wider question of the profanity filter, we're not trying to change the world or eradicate all eveil here, all we're trying to do is make this place somewhere where epople can enjoy a friendly environment.
If members genuinely have difficulty in expressing themselves without using profanities, perhaps they need to ask themselves how they got into that postion.
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WinterLight
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Joined: June 09 2008 Status: Offline Points: 424 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:29 |
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A bit of a dishonest question since I never claimed to have addressed the rationale (a more accurate term than "logic") for that post. I merely elaborated on my view in a slightly less sardonic tone--this should be transparent to anyone without underlying motives. |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:28 |
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 The proposed idea is not without some merit and whimsical charm, but I have some serious misgivings that it might be more trouble than it's worth. I think you should remove troublesome members and topics, not troublesome individual words.
Like my friend The T, I am also leery of this forum becoming too "safe" and bland, too "wrapped in cotton wool" in an overwrought effort to "protect" the delicate and easily-offended. (Such folks, arguably, should not use Internet forums at all, and perhaps should not even leave their houses, for that matter.)
 I like to think I am (generally) among grownups here. The forum was more free-wheeling in the early days, and we got along okay, as I recollect. I am a grown man, and I work with English for a living. Sometimes, l choose to use (or hint at) profanity here to indicate emotion, conviction, humour, or strong feeling. I don't think I ever direct it at other members. I would not want my posts and words, which I have thought about, to be modified by unthinking software, just because a small minority here are too free with their insults and personal attacks. As I say, remove the post and/or member (censure and censor) in such a case -- don't catch us all in the same indiscriminate "humourless big brother is watching" net. That smacks of being over protective, and over-reacting to a small problem (which is best controlled via existing methods, IMO).
If I want to say "this is an effin' good album," then I think I should be able to, without anyone's diapers, knickers or Attends getting in a twist.
Again, as I did there ^, there will always be ways around the "no cussing" software, which will make the implied profanity obvious to a human, but not to a machine. It won't work very well, and it just might p*ss off more people than it pleases. Is it really worth the bother? Is the problem really that bad? Are there not bigger fish to fry? (racism, hatred, personal attacks, sexism, pornography, etc.)
Shall we ask Dick Heath to change his name? Can I discuss Joe Cocker, or blue-footed boobies? How about God and Jesus Christ? Firetrucks?
 Rock itself (which encompasses prog) is also rife with profanity, sexuality and thinly-veiled profanity and sexual references and it has always been so. (Much like Shakespeare is.) Then there is the rather grownup (if not sometimes disgusting) album art we reproduce here-- you are aware, of course, of that Death album cover, a certain Blind Faith cover photo, a famous Nirvana cover, a certain Supertramp cover, a certain Roxy Music cover, etc, etc.
Rock is not music for little kiddies, your great-granny, Sarah Palin, or nuns. Better stop listing certain Zappa song titles too, while you're at it!
Don't we also list the music of at least one convicted murderer (Burzum), as well? Hmmmm... moral ambiguity, or people being largely free to decide for themselves on matters of morality?Yep, much more trouble than it's worth, in my considered opinion -- a real can of worms!  Edited by Peter - November 19 2008 at 19:37 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Online Points: 32553 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:37 |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:23 |
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Not too long ago I tried to post Carlin's seven dirty words just to see what the autobleeper would do to them and even though they all got autobleeped an admin came along and put the post on ice.
 Hey let's try Carlin's euphemisms for intercourse: ball baloney ride bananas and cream bang beef injection belly ride belt blanket drill blow off the loose corns board boff bone bore bump fur bump uglies bury your wick bury the bone bush patrol buzz the brillo cane change your luck chuck a tread cock up dance the mattress jig daub of the brush dick dunk diddle dig your stinger in the honey dip your stick dip your wick dirty work at the crossroads do do a dive in the dark do a slide up the board dog do it do the dirty deed do the horizontal bop do the nasty feather-bed jig feed the dummy fiddle firk fit end to end fix her plumbing flesh session flop flop in the hay four-legged frolic f**k get a crumpet get a little get a piece get a snipper get a wet one get into her pants get it on get jack in the orchard get laid get lucky get your ashes hauled get your leather stretched get your noodle wet get your oil changed get some get some action get some ass get some stuff get some tail get some tweeze get your bean waxed get your pole varnished give her a stab go all the way go like a belt-fed motor go to bed with go to it go to town go vaulting grease the wheel grind grind your tool hanky-panky have a bit of giblet pie have a bit of summer cabbage (huh?) have a blow through have sex with hide the ferret hide the salami hit on the tail hock hop on horizontal bop horizontal hula horizontal refreshment hose hot roll with cream hump impale introduce charlie invade irish whist jazz jink job join paunches jounce joy ride jug juke jump jump your bones knock knock off a piece know lay lay some pipe lay the hip make feet for children's shoes make it make love make babies make the beast with two backs make whoopie mate mattress dance mess around mingle limbs mix your peanut butter mount mugg nail nib nub nut park your yacht in the hair harbor peel your best end peg pestle pile-drive pin plant your oats play at all fours play hide the bone plow pluck plug pocket the red poke pole work pop pork post a letter pound pump put a finger in the dyke put the boots to put the tool in the shed quimstick ram ride rites of venus roast the broomstick roll roll in the hay rock rod roger romp root roust rub bacon rub up rumble rumple rut saw off a chunk score screw scutz around service shack up shaft shag shake the sheets shoot between wind and water shoot your wad short arm practice shove shtup sink the sausage sink the soldier slam slip her a length slip into split spoil squat on the hog squat jumps in the cucumber patch squeeze and a squirt stab stable your naggie strop your beak strum stuff swing tail-work take a turn in the stubble take a turn on shooter's hill tear off a piece the disappearing cane trick the matrimonial polka thread the needle throw a hump throw a leg over thump tie the true lover's knot tip the long one tool in the woods trim the buff trip up the Rhine tumble tumple turn up twiddle varnish one's cane vitamin F wap wham what mother did (I'd rather not think about that) wind the clock work out work the hairy oracle yard yentz I see the usual suspect didn't make it through. Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2008 at 14:16 |
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: November 20 2008 at 13:19 |
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http://store.funnytimes.com/merchant2/Newest and Bestest: Swear Bears!
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: November 20 2008 at 13:30 |
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There's another site in which the words are replaced by silly messages, the word Dick appears as thingy, so when i wrote Bruce Dickinson, I found Bruce Thingyson.
 Iván
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Failcore
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Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
Posted: December 12 2008 at 01:01 |
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I personally think censorship (especially when you can still derive waht the word was supposed to be) is pretty dumb. However, I don't blame the site; you can get sued these days for looking at someone the wrong way. The last thing we need is some repressed parent finding their kid on a site full of "filthy language" and going ape sh*t. So it beign said that censorship is a must, we might as well make it hilarious. I propose writning a rand fucntion that goes to a look-up table of hilarious words. That way you don't get the same fluffin thing twice. Cuz that would just be George Foreman.
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MovingPictures07
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Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: December 12 2008 at 06:40 |
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That's hilarious. |
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: December 12 2008 at 06:55 |
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That is hilarious.
Why not just have the auto-censor replace bad words with
 ? That tends to be what I use anyway. Of course, we'd have to be careful what words we include in the auto-censor, so that we don't have rediculous things happen like with Ivan's Bruce Thingyson. We probably shouldn't include Dick in the auto-censor, since it also has non-vulgar uses. However, we could obviously still include and of course . |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: December 12 2008 at 07:17 |
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Exactly - use the
emoticon.My point is - people shold stop using the auto-censor to censor their posts, do it yourself.
Bruce Thingyson is silly - it's supposed to be - seeing pocket**tch censored is equally as silly - in fact it highlights a "banned" word where no one saw one before...
 Edited by Dean - December 12 2008 at 07:25 |
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What?
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. To me, that’s not unlike an angry child chucking his teddy from the pram, so I thought how disarming it would be for the protagonists if the profanities they were hurling magically turned into cuddly toys. (I guess that's the hippy side of me wanting to turn bullets to flowers).