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Logan 
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35847 |
 Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:34 |
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This thread would work for moving posts primarily about the Prog status of Steely Dan:
Poll: Is Steely Dan prog ? Forum: Prog Polls |
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:39 |
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that would be the one.. thanks Greg
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 17:53 |
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and posted my review of Countdown.. doesn't touch some of the others written.. but take my advice.. get it if you don't have it.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 18:23 |
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<<You seem a bit unbalanced here Eric>>
Excuse me, Micky? You want to elaborate on this? I'm 'unbalanced'? Who was the one wanting to take a few days away from PA because they were 'hurt' by all of the backlash? Let's make no illusions about it...a lot of people felt it wasn't a good fit. There is no 'silent majority'. We were loud and clear. End of story. E |
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 20:47 |
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of course.... you asked... and I'll answer... but your aren't going to like the answer. It is sad... very sad in fact .. .that you think a person who defended you... took an interest in you when you had a health scare... would take to insulting you... or threatening you over an addition here. Humor is misinterpeted as a threat.. when i have never once threatened a fellow collab... much less insult one. end of story.... not quite yet actually.... I have tried to be a friend to people here... worked hard like others have here to make this site a better place for everyone. So people didn't agree with the addtion.. so the response was... well.. no need to get into that here. I thought of taking a few days off here. However I felt the addition deserved to be explained. However seeing what transpired in private is being drug into open forum. I just shake my head... and I will reevaluate .. not staying here. Just me dealings with people here personally... if this site is to be bloodsport... then that is what it shall be. end of story.... end of thead... |
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 21:51 |
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That's not fair, Micky. Facts weren't being divulged and I brought them out. You don't like it and I'm sorry; however, I'm done dinking around here. I'm being told that I have no clue as to what's going on and there's this mountainous wave of support for this when there isn't. I can go through here and stack up arguments against that would crush the arguments for.
Steely Dan is here and you've won, Micky. Congratulations! You've beaten the odds and added a band who doesn't belong here. You dissect any number of bands and you're going to find bits and pieces of progressive music. Listen to Dave Matthews' "The Dreaming Tree" and it sounds progressive. I hear a little prog in the Counting Crows' "Recovering The Satellites" or in Journey's "Escape". I just think we're venturing into dangerous territory here being that we're a site specializing in progressive music. And I'm sorry if I've put a bend in our friendship. I've stuck up for you plenty of times too--that street runs both ways. And, yes, I appreciate you being behind me during a difficult time. You say you were joking and I believe you; however, I don't think anyone likes to be called "unbalanced". We're just two guys not seeing eye to eye on something and I felt that being on this side that I didn't "know enough". That's all I have to say about it. Edited by E-Dub - August 31 2008 at 21:52 |
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:00 |
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Eric.. as usual.. as it is my fault because I am not good with words.. or putting my thoughts and feelings into words. It is not criticism or question about the merits of the addtion that have hurt me, I am not a child....or is that what this exchange between us is about. It is a particular post in the SC zone.. and the fact that you would think I would stoop to threatening you. .or insulting you all over an addition. That is the point I am making about an addition. .and the passions involved getting the way of respecting each other. I do care about the addition and believe in it... others .. in the Xover and J-R team did as well.. they thought it was best in Xover.. so that is where it went... I don't care to explain the rationale of it by insulting or threateing people I respect.. and have worked closely with. I am done with the subject. I am glad the band is here... they belong here in the opinion of the two teams that deal most with the music that SD is. I said I would to them.. and I did... become to pin cushin for all the hate. As I said earlier... I figured it would come from the general forum.. not fellow collabs who know there is no set notion of prog or not.. and we all work together.. and respect each others notions. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:31 |
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My advice: if you're going to add somebody THIS controversial, then you better be prepared to get heat. The fact that I'm a collab has NOTHING to do with it, Micky. If I'm asked to be robotic and to turn off my feelings in order to be a collab, then strip me of the friggin' title now because that's not how I"m wired. I'm just afraid this prog chicken salad is turning into prog chicken sh*t (pains me to say that about one of my favorite bands, though).
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:49 |
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hahha.. thanks for the advice... a day late and a dollar short
 . but not needed anymore. It hurt... because I didn't expect it.. which my my fault.. I was naive I guess hahhah I respected others.. figured others did as well....respect is easy when you agree... respect is REAL.. meaningful.. when you don't. Shame on me.. once... but not twice.  Thanks though Eric... I'll be ready for it next time. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 08:38 |
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Not completely innocent here, Micky. I may not agree, but still took an appreciation thread and used it as a soapbox. For that, I do apologize.
But you know what really hacks me off? They're not coming through KC on this tour!!! Both me and my wife love Steely Dan and I know she'd enjoy this show. Would really love to catch these guys before I'm 'room temperature". E |
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:28 |
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I am on record as saying that I don't consider It Bites (where this link takes you) to be very progressive upon hearing Eat Me In St. Louis a couple of years ago. Even started a thread, if memory serves. A friend has loaned me The Big Lad In The Windmill and Once Around The World and the sound is very Duran Duran-ish...especially TBLiTW. I like Once Around The World a lot and it's a bit more progressive. Even ordered it the other day. E |
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micky
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:47 |
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yeah... about my thoughts as well the point I was obviously to make though was the obvious one ... not to bash on It Bites...... was to reinforce the notion that what is prog to one.. . is sometimes not prog to others. |
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micky
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:49 |
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no problem... so would I for that matter |
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:00 |
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I support It Bites' move to Prog Related, since it was brought up. Sooo not Eclectic.
Edited by Ricochet - September 01 2008 at 14:00 |
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:01 |
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I can understand that. I think I was in the minority on that one, come to think of it. I even like that new It Bites (disc of the year for me so far) and there are some progressive moments (especially "This Is England"), but wouldn't be disappointed if they weren't on PA. It's all personal tastes. E |
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Logan
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:18 |
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I've been listening to the It Bites streaming mp3s here, and I think a move is in order (not sure how, when, or why it wound up in Eclectic), and I do think it bites.
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micky
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:29 |
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we can take this to the collab zone.. to the AR palace.. .I thought it more than related .... it sounds more cheesy than anything. Plus I'm not playing the part of hypocrite here.. someone DID think they were prog... maybe XOver should have a looksie before dumping them.
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Logan
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:42 |
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It was decided that it definitely wasn't right for Eclectic ages ago, but I take it that Eclectic was waiting to see if PR would accept them (was in discussion with them).
EDIT: back to Steely Dan. I don't know SD that well beyond the stuff in rotation on classic rock radio, what are some of the best long tracks in your opinion? (probably been gone over before). Edited by Logan - September 01 2008 at 14:45 |
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micky
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:43 |
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yeah.... I just saw the posts |
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micky
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:47 |
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oh yeah... in a vain attempt to stay on topic...
working on next SD review... getting some nice feedback.. thanks guys... anyone have the book 'Steely Dan: The Complete Guide to their music'? Edited by micky - September 01 2008 at 14:48 |
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