Steely Dan appreciation thread
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Topic: Steely Dan appreciation thread
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Steely Dan appreciation thread
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 15:11
First off, i want to say thanks to the PA team for adding this fantastic band to the huge list of other bands on here. Being a long time SD fan, you can tell how happy this makes me
But are there many other fans here on PA? I love them completely, i think their jazz-pop style is unmatched by anyone if i'm honest. What do you guys think?
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 16:24
I'm not sure that I concur with Steely Dan being added to ProgArchives, but I've been a huge Steely Dan fan since I was a kid and consider their body of work to be some of the best. The way they infused brilliant pop hooks with intricate jazz structures is absolutely brilliant. I still consider Bernard Purdie's shuffle groove on "Babylon Sisters" as one of my favorite drum patterns.
I do enjoy the newer material (2vsN; Everything Must Go), but they do pale when compared to Aja or The Royal Scam. Aja is probably my favorite, though. I also enjoy Fagan's solo material, but The Nightfly is EXCELLENT!!! Kamikiriad is good, too (especially "Tomorrow's Girl").
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 20:12
kibble_alex wrote:
First off, i want to say thanks to the PA team for adding this fantastic band to the huge list of other bands on here. Being a long time SD fan, you can tell how happy this makes me
But are there many other fans here on PA? I love them completely, i think their jazz-pop style is unmatched by anyone if i'm honest. What do you guys think?
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r making people happy is what we are in the business of hahhaha.
great reviews so far guys...all of them... a special shout out to Rollie's review of Can't Buy a Thrill. I love objective reviews that speak to the heart of what reviews should be about... guiding those who are considering getting the album.. as well as describing the album. Great debut.. but for the progger SD newbie.. not the place to start if wondering why they are here.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 21:28
holy sh*t... you beat me to this review Rollie ... for the betterment of the forum .... you NAILED this album with your review much better than I could have ever done. Was the first.. of a string of masterpieces for the progger to discover. King of the World.... wow... not much else to say.. which is why I suck at reviews. .and make my living here just spotlighting those who can hahhaa.
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The first time I heard “Countdown to Ecstasy” it stopped me dead in my tracks. It satisfied every
aspect of my sensibilities both as a musician and as a music lover and it still does to this very day. The
difference between this album and their pop-oriented debut is like night and day. So much for the
sophomore jinx! In most cases bands use up all their best material for their music biz grand opening
and have nothing to equal it on #2 but here the West Coast prog creations of Donald Fagen and Walter
Becker reflected the mood of the disillusioned peace & love generation in a uniquely abstract and
sublime way. The album and its compelling cover art is nothing short of brilliant. It is also the only one
in their catalogue that was written and arranged for a working ensemble because the band as a
performing entity would cease to exist after its release. It seems the group HATED touring with a
passion and the fact that they had to interrupt their recording sessions to go play “Do It Again” on
amusement park stages led to the unheard of decision to stop doing concerts altogether. Like The
Beatles before them, they abandoned the road to further explore their true calling as a pack of studio
rats. But this album was made in the heat of battle between artist and management and it bristles with
raw energy because of that. If I’d been keeping a journal back in 1973 my entry would have been
something along these lines: Dear Diary - From the moment Jim Hodder’s naked drum strokes on “Bodhisattva” reached my ears I
knew that this was something fresh and new to absorb. The onslaught of Denny Dias and Jeff “Skunk”
Baxter’s amazing triple guitar harmonies as they flew over the driving rock & roll beat below sealed the
deal for me before Fagen even opened his mouth. What WAS this I was hearing? Then Donald
sang “can you show me/the shine of your Japan/the sparkle of your China/can you show me?” and I
was drawn into a Salvador Dali-like dimension with melting watches hanging off tree limbs and such.
Skunk then delivered a hair-raising guitar solo followed by a call & answer segment with Fagen’s cool
synthesizer and I couldn’t hoist my jaw up off the floor. This stunning track alone signified a radical
departure from everything they had shown me before and I am hooked. These guys are for real. Was I impressed? Ya think? Thus began a lifelong affection for most everything Steely Dan
manufactured and now my hope is that others who may not know of their charms and only think of
them as the guys who did “Hey Nineteen” will venture into their fascinating world with an open mind.
Now back to the review. Next up is the piano and vibraphone-colored “Razor Boy” as it glides atop a swaying jazz rhythm. It
has a very unconventional and intriguing chord structure that even Baxter’s lazy steel guitar can’t take
away from. Here Fagen’s charismatic voice creates its one-of-a-kind timbre as his stacked three-part
harmonies give the tune a distinct flavor that will resonate throughout the rest of their career. My
interpretation of the lyric is that he’s referring to a girl’s drug habit when he sings “I guess only women
in cages/can play down the things they lose/you think no tomorrow will come/when you lay down/you
can’t refuse.” Chilling. That’s followed by the awesomeness that is “The Boston Rag,” just one of the
many sparkling gems included in this album. It has a very progressive and dynamic arrangement with
Donald’s vocal giving it his indelible stamp as he delivers a bittersweet view of a man’s reckless youth
with lines like “Lonnie swept the playroom/and he swallowed up all he found/it was 48 hours till/Lonnie
came around.” The middle section builds up gracefully as the guitar swirls around it like a wild vine.
What a great song. The playful “Your Gold Teeth” has a swift, jazzy groove that won’t quit and the complex melody lines
streaking across its face are breathtaking. It’s about avoiding the lure of a flirtatious lady. “Your
fortune is your raving eye/your mouth and legs/your gift for the runaround/torture is the main
attraction/I don’t need that kind of action,” Fagen sings. The bridge is about as different as is
imaginable and the sly electric piano solo trailed by another stellar guitar ride is excellent. This is Jazz
Rock/Fusion coming at you from a completely foreign angle. And, speaking of oddities, “Show Biz Kids”
just may be the most unusual and simple track they’ve ever recorded. Its mantra-like, droning
edginess coupled with guest Rick Derringer’s dangerous slide guitar makes for a song that has no
reason to be as delightful as it is. A scathing dissection of the L.A. star scene with words such as “show
business kids making movies of themselves/you know they don’t give a f**k about anybody else”
accompanied by a chorus of “lost wages,” this belongs in a class unto itself. Did I say class? “My Old School” is magnificent from start to finish. Despite having to compete with a
devastating horn arrangement (courtesy of Jimmie Haskell) and performance, Skunk literally steals the
show with his blazing guitar licks as he slashes and dashes in and out of the crisp horn accents striking
like lightning all around him. It’s one for the ages. The tune’s sarcastic look at memories of a
heartbreak reads like beat poetry. “Oleanders growing outside your door/soon they’re gonna be in
bloom up in Annandale/I can’t stand her/doing what she did before/living like a gypsy queen in a fairy
tale.” The fabulous horn run after the “California tumbles into the sea” line is pure genius and when
they turn Baxter loose on the fadeout he becomes a maniac on the fretboard. Yowza! After that
barnburner a change of pace is in order and the gentle “Pearl of the Quarter” fits in nicely. This song
about a man being in love with a New Orleans hooker is a much more “normal” number but engaging
nonetheless in spite of another dose of whiny steel guitar. The album closer, “King of the World,” is spectacular prog rock. It’s one of the best post-apocalyptic
tunes ever written because it never submerges into maudlin territory. The last guy on earth is just
looking for company. “If you come around/no more pain and no regrets/watch the sun go
brown/smoking cobalt cigarettes/there’s no need to hide/taking things the easy way/if I stay inside/I
might live till Saturday.” The seamless track cruises along effortlessly before the arresting middle
section pops up like a surprise party. In the end the melodic synthesizer line slinks across the ever-
moving chord pattern like a snake in the sand and the guitar solo weaves a hypnotic tapestry in the
fading light. In the very entertaining liner notes included with the ‘98 remastered version Fagen and Becker tell the
story of showcasing the finished product for the label big wigs, “Hawaiian shirts, cigars and all.”
Expecting another pop blockbuster like the previous LP, they were sorely disappointed to hear what
must have sounded like “German art music, or worse.” Of course, that meant the album would have
immense appeal to proggers like me but not so to the public at large. It produced nary a hit single but
FM radio ate it up (to my delight). One man’s loss is another man’s gain, as they say. If 90% of prog
comes from thinking outside the box then this is prog in its very essence. This is the first of several
masterpieces these talented visionaries would present to the world and one you should experience
often.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 01:31
yea Countdown to Ecstasy might be my favorite too!
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 01:33
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 07:46
Not classic prog, but wonderful masic nonetheless! On the jazz-rock border definitely, but also with pop sensibility. "Countdown" is my favorite too, along with "Prezel", "Royal Scam" and "Aja"...
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 09:19
E-Dub wrote:
I'm not sure that I concur with Steely Dan being added to ProgArchives, but I've been a huge Steely Dan fan since I was a kid and consider their body of work to be some of the best. The way they infused brilliant pop hooks with intricate jazz structures is absolutely brilliant. I still consider Bernard Purdie's shuffle groove on "Babylon Sisters" as one of my favorite drum patterns.
I do enjoy the newer material (2vsN; Everything Must Go), but they do pale when compared to Aja or The Royal Scam. Aja is probably my favorite, though. I also enjoy Fagan's solo material, but The Nightfly is EXCELLENT!!! Kamikiriad is good, too (especially "Tomorrow's Girl").
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Prett much what I was going to say. Aja is pretty much a perfect album, but everything up to Gaucho is well worth checking out.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:21
Not all the time, but they have a lot of prog moments, Aja is a perfect example. So is Rikki Don't Lose That Number. All in all though, it is great "progressive" music, and they have influenced a lot of prog bands.
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:29
Whats Next ? Little Feet ? I dont really get it how can have a band Like Steely Dan as Prog, But not Band like The Sensational Alex Harvey Band if they had been from North America and not Scotland shore they would been in the Archives by Now ,
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 16:40
You know, IMO Chicago is a better example of an experimental jazz fusion band than Steely Dan ever was. At least their 1st couple lps anyways. What is this crazy need for any band with a horn section or keyboards to have to be placed in the once exalted, but now pop polluted Prog Archives.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:04
I do agree that Steely Dan don't belong; however, this is an APPRECIATION thread and maybe comments like these are better suited somewhere else. Just my opinion, though.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:24
E-Dub wrote:
I do agree that Steely Dan don't belong; however, this is an APPRECIATION thread and maybe comments like these are better suited somewhere else. Just my opinion, though.
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Eric's got a point here, people. This is an appreciation thread - please go elsewhere (or start a separate thread) for dicussion on whether or not SD should be included in the archives.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 17:27
Can't someone say they don't belong here and at the same time appreciate them?
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 18:49
Pretty much like I did in the very beginning, perhaps?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:14
^ I don't see the problem with it or your post Eric... some people agree with it.. some don't. That is the way 99.9% of additions ALWAYS are. This isn't the thread for it... but since when has that ever stopped anyone hahahhah. Anyway... starting my first review this evening.. but was a long day... and probably going to shut the machine from hell off shortly and enjoy a baseball game and a Sam Adams...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:39
thinking on Rollie's review last night... he nailed King of the World.. .there is something about that song .. and this visual component to it.. is pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiRIE2irAgc
you have to forgive the numb-nut for getting the album wrong.. but LOVE the montage with the song.
"Any man left on the Rio Grande is the King of the World as far
as I know" - possibly the best post-nuclear apocalypse movie never made hahhaha..yeah.. he's forgiven... priceless... enjoy SD fans...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:51
hey, that tune is PROG ! I'd never heard this one, no wonder some of our specialists were so adamant about them.. it's not someone getting their favorite pet band in, it is a band who did Prog easily overshadowed by Yes, Tull and the brief prog/media storm, and is another example of a glorious Progressive Era that opened up a whole new world to rock and popular musicians ..great Michael, keep that link in your holster
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 19:56
not the place for a rant... but I've made my feelings clear on judging by tags and labels I guess hahhaha.. and not listening to the f**king music and understanding WHERE.. and WHY they were added. Some may not agree, and I respect that. but at least they might see the logic of it and decide to listen... to more than a greatest hits CD. Again.. the bio says it all.... you only have to read it. .
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:19
micky wrote:
not the place for a rant... but I've made my feelings clear on judging by tags and labels I guess hahhaha.. and not listening to the f**king music and understanding WHERE.. and WHY they were added. Some may not agree, and I respect that. but at least they might see the logic of it and decide to listen... to more than a greatest hits CD. Again.. the bio says it all.... you only have to read it. .
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Kudos to you Micky!
This may seem pretty pedestrian to some but my view is if someone has the artistic sensibilities that enable them to enjoy progressive rock than it only seems logical that they will enjoy the phenomenal music of the Dan to the same degree.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 21:38
Have a love/hate with them. Royal Scam and Aja are awesome. Katy Lied is dreadful. The other early stuff I have is hit and miss to my ears. I would not have thought they would ever be added but, oh well. I thought having Zeppelin would wreck PA, which it didn't so I am sure SD will be hot for awhile and then fade into the background like so many other controversial choices.
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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 02:49
"Countdown to extasy" and "Kathy lied" are my fav Steely dan albums. They deserve to be in archives.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:48
I can see civil war breaking out here
The "Steely Dan ARE Prog" side VS. The "Steely Dan are NOT Prog" side
It seems the latter side are puriton PA extremists whilst the first lot are willing to keep PA progressive. My prediction
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 08:11
kibble_alex wrote:
I can see civil war breaking out here
The "Steely Dan ARE Prog" side VS. The "Steely Dan are NOT Prog" side
It seems the latter side are puriton PA extremists whilst the first lot are willing to keep PA progressive. My prediction
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Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree. What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:54
Their first two albums are great. I like the other ones up to Gaucho, but they don't strike me as much as Countdown to Ecstasy.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 10:36
Slartibartfast wrote:
Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree. What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.
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Not sure starti, I don't dislike their music at all, as a fact I like it, but I believe without any personal doubt they don't belong here, if I was a judge I would place a restriction order to them to keep a mile away Prog Archives.
But again, It's not my call
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 15:20
I think you're right there Ivan, this is not about whether one likes them or not. Many of those on the nays side have said in various threads that they actually like SD's music a lot.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 15:24
But that's what Slart actually said - it seems that pretty much everyone likes Steely Dan, they just differ on whether or not they could be classified as prog. He said he hasn't seen someone that hates Steely Dan and (maybe obviously) doesn't want them here on PA.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 28 2008 at 17:11
NaturalScience wrote:
But that's what Slart actually said - it seems that pretty much everyone likes Steely Dan, they just differ on whether or not they could be classified as prog. He said he hasn't seen someone that hates Steely Dan and (maybe obviously) doesn't want them here on PA. |
No Natural Science, read the quote carefully:
What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.
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Startibastfast is a master using words and double negations, he's saying that:
1. Nobody hates them
2. Nobody totally thinks they don't belong here.
That's why I said I love the band, but I totally feel they don't belong here.
There are two things lawyers learn, to read the fine print and to check double negative statements.
Iván
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 10:53
Hmm, what do you call this then 'Oh, no no no no no, yes"?
I don't want to look like an oxy moron.
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 11:05
Here is a question to those who believe Steely Dan does not belong in the Archives. Would you feel differently if they were from England or perhaps Germany?
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 11:20
I don't think their country or origin is relevant. There are plently of prog bands from the US, Germany, and indeed the whole of the United Kingdom.
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 09:35
Where the appreciation is concerned: it's very simple for me. I love them and don't mind them being here although I was very surprised a couple of days ago. I followed the discussions about this great band for almost a year now and the conclusion was always: they should not be on progarchives (at least the majority felt this way).
So now they are with us anyway and even though they are great their presence is already tainted because of the majority's opinion (on one of the other threads a poll showed 71% is against). That's a pity and I also have to be honest, my general opinion is to keep the site a bit "clean" (not too many popular bands). So if I were consistent I should ignore them and their albums but truth is I already rated/reviewed all of their albums. Huh ?? I don't get myself anymore. It's hard to be consistent !!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 09:57
progrules wrote:
Where the appreciation is concerned: it's very simple for me. I love them and don't mind them being here although I was very surprised a couple of days ago. I followed the discussions about this great band for almost a year now and the conclusion was always: they should not be on progarchives (at least the majority felt this way).
So now they are with us anyway and even though they are great their presence is already tainted because of the majority's opinion (on one of the other threads a poll showed 71% is against). That's a pity and I also have to be honest, my general opinion is to keep the site a bit "clean" (not too many popular bands). So if I were consistent I should ignore them and their albums but truth is I already rated/reviewed all of their albums. Huh ?? I don't get myself anymore. It's hard to be consistent !! |
hahha... it is damn hard isn't it.
A few points on your post there. As you probably know additons here are not voted upon. For myself personally... the numbers mean nothing.. what counts are the comments. Any kid who thinks SD is Hey Nineteen can vote.. but only those who know something can contribute to a discussion. The arguments against SD those that were valid that is...have all been answered or addressed by those who added them.
see... for me.. .it comes down to vision of the site.... you mentioned 71% against. I have been here too long at this site.. and am doing some realistic figuring here... . you can knock off a third (and probably am being generous at that) of that as people who have NO idea of who the band is other than a name or a few songs. that makes... yep... 50-50. So what is more important for this site.. . not offending the hyper-sensitivities of the those who want a clean site or acknowledging the other 50% ..from whom the other 50% might learn something.. if they gave the band a fresh.. or closer listen.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 11:21
jimidom wrote:
Here is a question to those who believe Steely Dan does not belong in the Archives. Would you feel differently if they were from England or perhaps Germany? |
I wouldn't care if they came from Perú (where I live), I never judged a band by the country of origin, that would be stupid and mom didn't raised a stupid son.
Iván
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 11:52
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jimidom wrote:
Here is a question to those who believe Steely Dan does not belong in the Archives. Would you feel differently if they were from England or perhaps Germany? |
I wouldn't care if they came from Perú (where I live), I never judged a band by the country of origin, that would be stupid and mom didn't raised a stupid son.
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it was a valid question.. but not in how it was directed.. or answered by you personally Ivan. Of course you don't.. however..
what is the main beef against them here.... it isn't the music.. it is the fact that they are not 'known' as a prog group. Who made that decision.. those who make their living sticking labels and tags on groups.. who tended to hate prog anyway...who saw SD... thought I LOVE it..... American... not symphonic.... therefore.. not prog. This site doesn't do addtions based on what others think.. never have.. never will.
He thought... is perfectly dead on.. if they were British .. they would have been here long ago. We all know the power of labels here.
anyway.. this was fun... but it's time to get the thread back on topic. There is another thread for discussing the addition .. this is for the band.
will request deletion or moving of any more off-topic replies.. there is a thread for it. They are added.. here.. is where people might discover why.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 12:43
micky wrote:
He thought... is perfectly dead on.. if they were British .. they would have been here long ago. We all know the power of labels here.
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Micky, you know me and know that's not the case, I'm probably the person who has defended Kansas and Pavlov's Dog (Not Symphonic and very poppy BTW) more than anybody from pedant's who consider them second class bands because they are made in USA.
Remember a guy even said that Kansas was a Redneck Prog band and compared their music with a pork burger. Garion, E and myself made a long issue about that.
If I say anything about SD is because my opinion about their music, not about their nation of origin, but they are here already, lets move on.
Comments as "They would be here if they were British" seem out of place to me as Bob pointe a couple posts above.
Iván
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:12
To suggest that a band are more or less likely to be added becuase of their country of origin is disrespectful to our hard working teams, and rather smacks of desperation.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:22
This is an appreciation thread and I'm not going to go any further. What's done is done. I've been listening to this band for a long time and I don't require anyone to tell me that they're progressive. I just don't want to hear any griping by those involved when, say, Sting is added (and "Epilogue (Nothing 'Bout Me)" and "Brand New Day" sound a lot like SD. "Wild, Wild Sea" even sounds a bit proggish...but he still doesn't belong) or Toto, Journey, or other bands who don't belong.
It just floors me that the votes against are stomping the votes for; yet, we're the ones who are wrong. So add away and muddy it up.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:28
I don't really think that this is what is being said. But I think that what is being referred to is that within the progressive rock community there is a perception, whether right or wrong, that bands from the United States for which the "progressive" label may apply are treated as second class "citizens" of the prog world, with Kansas being the A number 1 example of this perception.
AOR is a mostly US form of rock that is treated as though it is prog's ugly stepsister. Depending on the website and the person judging the band, AOR bands are either Progressive, progressive related, or never played a prog note in their lives. Again, just look at any thread discussing Styx or Kansas.
Now in no way do I think that those on the genre teams make their band acceptance decisions based on these perceptions, but I do think that these perceptions exist throughout the forums and throughout the prog world and I think that is the point that was trying to be made.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:52
rushfan4 wrote:
I don't really think that this is what is being said. But I think that what is being referred to is that within the progressive rock community there is a perception, whether right or wrong, that bands from the United States for which the "progressive" label may apply are treated as second class "citizens" of the prog world, with Kansas being the A number 1 example of this perception.
AOR is a mostly US form of rock that is treated as though it is prog's ugly stepsister. Depending on the website and the person judging the band, AOR bands are either Progressive, progressive related, or never played a prog note in their lives. Again, just look at any thread discussing Styx or Kansas.
Now in no way do I think that those on the genre teams make their band acceptance decisions based on these perceptions, but I do think that these perceptions exist throughout the forums and throughout the prog world and I think that is the point that was trying to be made. |
exactly... I think emotions are too raw here and people need to back off.. and maybe listen.. this is an appreciation thread. I'd hate to report posts guys...
the previous poster was not attacking genre teams.. trust me..I am an expert at recognizing it.
he spoke to what Scott said here.. general perceptions...
now... I am working on my first SD review as a way to get this thread on topic..
can you all help me.. please....
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:57
Is this a threat?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:58
E-Dub wrote:
Is this a threat?
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a threat? I don't make threats A joke.. but humor is lost here.. so I guess I won't bother
*example A that people need to cool off*
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:06
With the absence of the emoticons, I didn't detect any humor. My bad.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:23
Alright, not so much appreciation, but a silly story. OK it is probably a "you had to be there" silly story but anyways here it goes.
I am also a Tom Petty fan. And for those of you who read my posts and think that this guy thinks that everything is prog, that is not true. Tom Petty is not prog. Although he is in my collection and everything in my collection is prog so.... But I digress. Anyhow, my friend and I went to see Tom Petty in concert, but she wasn't that familiar with him. So every time a Tom Petty song would come on the radio I would ask her who the singer was. She would say I don't know and of course I would respond Tom Petty. (We play this game with Rush too, but that is another story). Anyhow, the Steely Dan song "Do It Again" was playing on the radio. At the time, I didn't know who that was so I asked her who it was. Of course, she responded Tom Petty? Alright, that was the funny part that you had to be there for so if you were waiting to laugh now is your time. Anyhow, as is always the case, once the song was completed the DJ didn't say who the artist was. I was pretty sure that it was on an album that I had but I really couldn't figure it out. When I got home that night, I pulled out a bunch of CDs and played various songs that I thought it might be, but I couldn't figure it out. I tried googling it as well, but without much luck. Needless to say it was a rough night of sleep because I couldn't get that song out of my head and I couldn't figure out who the artist was. I'm anal that way. Anyhow, the next day I did figure out that it was Steely Dan. I asked a friend at work whose husband happens to be a big Steely Dan fan, and she knew who it was. Anyhow, not too soon after I went out and purchased a Best of Steely Dan CD and that was how I found out that I was a Steely Dan fan. Not rabid mind you, but I do like the couple of albums that I have subsequently purchased.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:31
An underappreciated live album is Steely Dan's Alive In America. Excellent set list and a band that features both Peter Erskine and Dennis Chambers on drums. I always seem to see it in the reduced bins and wonder why. It's a wonderful album. Pick it up, if you have the opportunity.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:35
Thanks E. I'll definitely keep my eyes open for it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:53
It's got a pretty strange cover, but don't let it fool you.
A different version of "Reelin' In The Years" is on it, too. The only downer is Walter Becker's "Book Of Liars". Alright tune, but not a fan of his voice.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 15:19
thanks guys.. great story Scott.. will tell my first SD experience in my review of the album.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 17:46
posted my first SD review.. and see this gem.. Great one Chris...
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../album.asp?id=19400 - Aja
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Like a sleeping giant. Aja is an album that oozes class. Jazz rock with heavier progressive inflections all
over it make it debateably their most progressive album to date. Adding to their already perfectionist '
behind the scenes' studio indulgences, Aja took a different direction and in many respects followed on
from the ' Royal Scam' track off the same titled previous release. Except Aja has no jagged edges, it is so
smoothe you will probably slip off the couch just listening to it. ' Black Cow' sets the album off onto a
quality note, great chorus work and note the ubiquitous prescence on Timothy B Schmit of Eagles fame
adding vocal work. No bass this time but his voice contributing to the overall vocal sounds. The next song
is ' Aja' and is the finest and most complex song off the album. Great keyboards, strong jazz sounds and
this song needs to be listened to, to be fully appreciated. ' Deacon Blues' another firm favourite, great
melody and distinct sounds. ' Peg' and ' Josie' are more returns to the jazz funky elements but for that
steady slowburn emotion ' Home At Last' and ' I Got The News' revisit the Aja soundscape. As I said Aja is
a sleeping giant, complex, slumbering but oh so smoothe. Seldom visiting my archives of sound does
anything come close to being quite as slick and sophisticated as Aja. Unless you are familar with their
following album Gaucho! A solid four and a half stars.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 18:37
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 19:09
Blimey; SD in PA. Flippin eck.
I am a HUGE Steely Dan fan; all the albums - group and solo - concerts - T shirts - blah blah - but I really struggle with the idea of their inclusion in PA. Not because their music isn't progressive in the dictionary sense of the word; certainly not because they aren't musically one of the most sophisticated bands around; just that my gut instinct tells me it's not right. And I'd venture most music critics and the band themselves would not apply the label.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2008 at 22:08
Phil wrote:
Blimey; SD in PA. Flippin eck.
I am a HUGE Steely Dan fan; all the albums - group and solo - concerts - T shirts - blah blah - but I really struggle with the idea of their inclusion in PA. Not because their music isn't progressive in the dictionary sense of the word; certainly not because they aren't musically one of the most sophisticated bands around; just that my gut instinct tells me it's not right. And I'd venture most music critics and the band themselves would not apply the label. |
the band themselves would scoff as being labelled progressive rock... or anything for that matter. They were quite unique. It is often said. .and is very true.. there really isn't another band out there that sounds like them .
My gut instinct tells me.... that once you remove labels... that the prog fan would love them and over time.. see exactly what we said. The differences between them and established prog acts.. are acutally rather small. . Look at all the fans they do have here, and how respected they are among prog fans. Ever stop to wonder just why they are? There is reason. Is it tradional prog.. of course not.. but is it prog... who knows.. some think so... some don't. They fit... because this site has not limited itself to those who are only 'known' as prog. Those that think that the site should be... will disagree no matter who much they like the group.. those who have a more open ended view of things. That prog rock was not a genre.. but a a movement... welcome SD.
tomorrow... Countdown to Ecstasy gets the Micky treatment... will be hard to top Rollie's review though.
and again.. thanks guys for keeping the thead on topic ... for the most part that is... if you disagree with the addtion.. PM me. I will try to expain to you in cold hard terms why they were added.. you might not still agree.. but if you have any sort of open mind.. you'll understand the logic behind it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:51
No need for the PM, Micky. I'm on firm footing and know where this band belongs on PA. Too bad it's not in the General Music Discussion, but that's not my choice, nor the choice of the majority.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:36
ehh... it is not the majority I am concerned about Eric.... most do not know the group. That is why additions are not voted upon here.
as I posted earlier.. those who really do know the group.. are split... and experts
here.. for this site... on two teams.. thought this was a good addition. I honestly expected the uproar from the general forum.. not collabs who should know better than anyone..that this is a collaborative site... and sometimes there are groups added that you won't agree with.. but the point is.. others do. That their opinions are respected. My offer of a PM was for those with an open mind.. not for those who have them made up.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 12:17
Just how do you know who does and doesn't know the group? Not being a wise a**, but just curious. Was a poll taken?
And don't kid yourself, Micky. I saw a lot of people in the CZ who didn't approve.
And with it being a collaborative site, I think everyone is entitled to voice their opinions. I haven't appreciated that simply because some of us don't agree we've been labeled as closed minded.
You know what? It's over and done with and you won't hear anymore from
me. Me and the family are heading out to a water park before they close for the winter and I'm in a pretty good mood; however, It will be interesting to see if the same mindset within
those involved is present when Sting, Phil, Toto, Journey, etc. are
proposed.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 12:38
E-Dub wrote:
Just how do you know who does and doesn't know the group? Not being a wise a**, but just curious. Was a poll taken?
hahhaha.. polls? we haven't used them since the site started using genre teams. Polls defeat the purpose of having a team. Which is not a bad idea ... but many collabs wouldn't like it. Maybe someone could suggest we ditch the genre teams and go back to voting en mass for additions.
And don't kid yourself, Micky. I saw a lot of people in the CZ who didn't approve.
and don't kid yourself Eric.... a lot of people were put off by the ferocity of the oppostion and stayed out of it. I told them I would handle it.. and I did because not everyone likes the politics and bullsh*t of this site.. Not a lot of people think that an addition is worth tearing apart a fellow collabs about if you want to talk about the CZ.
And with it being a collaborative site, I think everyone is entitled to voice their opinions. I haven't appreciated that simply because some of us don't agree we've been labeled as closed minded.
hahahah oh brother....this is why discussing this has no point or purpose ... I didn't say you were closed minded.. I mean those who had their mind made up regarding the merits of the addtion. Are you looking for me to insult you... you seemed to what to think I was threatening you yesterday. I am not insulting people. threatening them. You seem a bit unbalanced here Eric. Sorry an addtion you disagree with affects you much.
You know what? It's over and done with and you won't hear anymore from
me. Me and the family are heading out to a water park before they close for the winter and I'm in a pretty good mood; however, It will be interesting to see if the same mindset within
those involved is present when Sting, Phil, Toto, Journey, etc. are
proposed.
E
well have a good timec. We'll see some some of those when or if they ever get proposed. Many of them belong here in one place or another.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 13:03
hahahha.. . love the silent majority... someone who has been following this.. but wants to stay out this (says I am doing a fine job) asks me to post this.
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748
listen to those samples... then listen to ...pretty much anything by SD.
where is all this coming from.. it isn't the music.
Isn't that what we are here for... that is what my job as a collaborator is about.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 15:42
It seems to me that those who have voiced adverse opinions regarding SD's addition have done so constructively and civily. There have been no accusations made, no finger pointing, no suggestions that the addition was not done in good faith, just simple objective views that the the band were not right for the site, or at least for a prog genre (I think the views for prog related are slightly more even).
There does seem to be a rather simplistic assumption being made that those who opposed them do not know the band as well as those who supported them, or that the nay-sayers have a less informed or narrower view of prog. I don't think any of these assumptions hold water.
I appreciate that this is intended to be an appreciation thread, but if the pro SD folks prolong the discussion relating to the wider issue of the addition, those against must also be permitted to respond.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:26
Easy Livin wrote:
I appreciate that this is intended to be an appreciation thread, but if the pro SD folks prolong the discussion relating to the wider issue of the addition, those against must also be permitted to respond. |
and that is the end of discussion regarding this.. thanks Bob..and if there are further posts here .. not regarding the thread starters purpose. I know you'll move them. If responding to posts is prolonging a thread.. what does that say abut those who use an appreciation thread to question an addition
and don't answer that and I will leave off topic posts alone and trust they are moved with the same alacrity that other off topic responses are in other threads.
and back on topic.. .starting a new review.. of an album that all have to have.. and hear.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:34
This thread would work for moving posts primarily about the Prog status of Steely Dan: Poll: forum_posts.asp?TID=51282&KW=Steely+Dan - Is - Steely - Dan prog ?
Forum: forum_topics.asp?FID=42 - Prog Polls
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:39
that would be the one.. thanks Greg
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 17:53
and posted my review of Countdown.. doesn't touch some of the others written.. but take my advice.. get it if you don't have it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 18:23
<<You seem a bit unbalanced here Eric>>
Excuse me, Micky? You want to elaborate on this? I'm 'unbalanced'? Who was the one wanting to take a few days away from PA because they were 'hurt' by all of the backlash? Let's make no illusions about it...a lot of people felt it wasn't a good fit. There is no 'silent majority'. We were loud and clear. End of story.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 20:47
E-Dub wrote:
<<You seem a bit unbalanced here Eric>>
Excuse me, Micky? You want to elaborate on this? I'm 'unbalanced'? Who was the one wanting to take a few days away from PA because they were 'hurt' by all of the backlash? Let's make no illusions about it...a lot of people felt it wasn't a good fit. There is no 'silent majority'. We were loud and clear. End of story.
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of course.... you asked... and I'll answer... but your aren't going to like the answer.
It is sad... very sad in fact .. .that you think a person who defended you... took an interest in you when you had a health scare... would take to insulting you... or threatening you over an addition here. Humor is misinterpeted as a threat.. when i have never once threatened a fellow collab... much less insult one.
end of story....
not quite yet actually.... I have tried to be a friend to people here... worked hard like others have here to make this site a better place for everyone. So people didn't agree with the addtion.. so the response was... well.. no need to get into that here. I thought of taking a few days off here. However I felt the addition deserved to be explained. However seeing what transpired in private is being drug into open forum. I just shake my head... and I will reevaluate .. not staying here. Just me dealings with people here personally... if this site is to be bloodsport... then that is what it shall be.
end of story.... end of thead...
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 21:51
That's not fair, Micky. Facts weren't being divulged and I brought them out. You don't like it and I'm sorry; however, I'm done dinking around here. I'm being told that I have no clue as to what's going on and there's this mountainous wave of support for this when there isn't. I can go through here and stack up arguments against that would crush the arguments for.
Steely Dan is here and you've won, Micky. Congratulations! You've beaten the odds and added a band who doesn't belong here. You dissect any number of bands and you're going to find bits and pieces of progressive music. Listen to Dave Matthews' "The Dreaming Tree" and it sounds progressive. I hear a little prog in the Counting Crows' "Recovering The Satellites" or in Journey's "Escape". I just think we're venturing into dangerous territory here being that we're a site specializing in progressive music.
And I'm sorry if I've put a bend in our friendship. I've stuck up for you plenty of times too--that street runs both ways. And, yes, I appreciate you being behind me during a difficult time. You say you were joking and I believe you; however, I don't think anyone likes to be called "unbalanced". We're just two guys not seeing eye to eye on something and I felt that being on this side that I didn't "know enough". That's all I have to say about it.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:00
Eric.. as usual.. as it is my fault because I am not good with words.. or putting my thoughts and feelings into words.
It is not criticism or question about the merits of the addtion that have hurt me, I am not a child....or is that what this exchange between us is about. It is a particular post in the SC zone.. and the fact that you would think I would stoop to threatening you. .or insulting you all over an addition. That is the point I am making about an addition. .and the passions involved getting the way of respecting each other. I do care about the addition and believe in it... others .. in the Xover and J-R team did as well.. they thought it was best in Xover.. so that is where it went... I don't care to explain the rationale of it by insulting or threateing people I respect.. and have worked closely with.
I am done with the subject. I am glad the band is here... they belong here in the opinion of the two teams that deal most with the music that SD is. I said I would to them.. and I did... become to pin cushin for all the hate. As I said earlier... I figured it would come from the general forum.. not fellow collabs who know there is no set notion of prog or not.. and we all work together.. and respect each others notions.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:31
My advice: if you're going to add somebody THIS controversial, then you better be prepared to get heat. The fact that I'm a collab has NOTHING to do with it, Micky. If I'm asked to be robotic and to turn off my feelings in order to be a collab, then strip me of the friggin' title now because that's not how I"m wired. I'm just afraid this prog chicken salad is turning into prog chicken sh*t (pains me to say that about one of my favorite bands, though).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:49
hahha.. thanks for the advice... a day late and a dollar short . but not needed anymore. It hurt... because I didn't expect it.. which my my fault.. I was naive I guess hahhah I respected others.. figured others did as well....respect is easy when you agree... respect is REAL.. meaningful.. when you don't. Shame on me.. once... but not twice. Thanks though Eric... I'll be ready for it next time.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 08:38
Not completely innocent here, Micky. I may not agree, but still took an appreciation thread and used it as a soapbox. For that, I do apologize.
But you know what really hacks me off? They're not coming through KC on this tour!!! Both me and my wife love Steely Dan and I know she'd enjoy this show. Would really love to catch these guys before I'm 'room temperature".
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:28
micky wrote:
hahahha.. . love the silent majority... someone who has been following this.. but wants to stay out this (says I am doing a fine job) asks me to post this.
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748
listen to those samples... then listen to ...pretty much anything by SD.
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I am on record as saying that I don't consider It Bites (where this link takes you) to be very progressive upon hearing Eat Me In St. Louis a couple of years ago. Even started a thread, if memory serves.
A friend has loaned me The Big Lad In The Windmill and Once Around The World and the sound is very Duran Duran-ish...especially TBLiTW. I like Once Around The World a lot and it's a bit more progressive. Even ordered it the other day.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:47
E-Dub wrote:
micky wrote:
hahahha.. . love the silent majority... someone who has been following this.. but wants to stay out this (says I am doing a fine job) asks me to post this.
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748
listen to those samples... then listen to ...pretty much anything by SD.
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I am on record as saying that I don't consider It Bites (where this link takes you) to be very progressive upon hearing Eat Me In St. Louis a couple of years ago. Even started a thread, if memory serves.
A friend has loaned me The Big Lad In The Windmill and Once Around The World and the sound is very Duran Duran-ish...especially TBLiTW. I like Once Around The World a lot and it's a bit more progressive. Even ordered it the other day.
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yeah... about my thoughts as well
the point I was obviously to make though was the obvious one ... not to bash on It Bites...... was to reinforce the notion that what is prog to one.. . is sometimes not prog to others.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 13:49
E-Dub wrote:
Not completely innocent here, Micky. I may not agree, but still took an appreciation thread and used it as a soapbox. For that, I do apologize.
But you know what really hacks me off? They're not coming through KC on this tour!!! Both me and my wife love Steely Dan and I know she'd enjoy this show. Would really love to catch these guys before I'm 'room temperature".
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no problem...
so would I for that matter
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:00
I support It Bites' move to Prog Related, since it was brought up. Sooo not Eclectic.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:01
micky wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
micky wrote:
hahahha.. . love the silent majority... someone who has been following this.. but wants to stay out this (says I am doing a fine job) asks me to post this.
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=748
listen to those samples... then listen to ...pretty much anything by SD.
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I am on record as saying that I don't consider It Bites (where this link takes you) to be very progressive upon hearing Eat Me In St. Louis a couple of years ago. Even started a thread, if memory serves.
A friend has loaned me The Big Lad In The Windmill and Once Around The World and the sound is very Duran Duran-ish...especially TBLiTW. I like Once Around The World a lot and it's a bit more progressive. Even ordered it the other day.
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yeah... about my thoughts as well
the point I was obviously to make though was the obvious one ... not to bash on It Bites...... was to reinforce the notion that what is prog to one.. . is sometimes not prog to others.
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I can understand that. I think I was in the minority on that one, come to think of it. I even like that new It Bites (disc of the year for me so far) and there are some progressive moments (especially "This Is England"), but wouldn't be disappointed if they weren't on PA. It's all personal tastes.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:18
I've been listening to the It Bites streaming mp3s here, and I think a move is in order (not sure how, when, or why it wound up in Eclectic), and I do think it bites.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:29
we can take this to the collab zone.. to the AR palace.. .I thought it more than related .... it sounds more cheesy than anything. Plus I'm not playing the part of hypocrite here.. someone DID think they were prog... maybe XOver should have a looksie before dumping them.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:42
It was decided that it definitely wasn't right for Eclectic ages ago, but I take it that Eclectic was waiting to see if PR would accept them (was in discussion with them).
EDIT: back to Steely Dan. I don't know SD that well beyond the stuff in rotation on classic rock radio, what are some of the best long tracks in your opinion? (probably been gone over before).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:43
Logan wrote:
It was decided that it definitely wasn't right for Eclectic ages ago, but I take it that Eclectic was waiting to see if PR would accept them (was in discussion with them).
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yeah.... I just saw the posts
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 14:47
oh yeah... in a vain attempt to stay on topic...
working on next SD review... getting some nice feedback.. thanks guys...
anyone have the book 'Steely Dan: The Complete Guide to their music'?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 15:05
Logan wrote:
EDIT: back to Steely Dan. I don't know SD that well beyond the stuff in rotation on classic rock radio, what are some of the best long tracks in your opinion? (probably been gone over before).
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ahh.. almost missed this Greg...
long tracks.... there were none...
Aja was the longest at 7:57... and ..hahaha.. not coincidentally... the track. .and album that prog traditionalists tend to identify most with.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 15:37
Two Against Nature has a long track clocking in at 8 1/2 minutes called "West Of Hollywood" that's really good.
Though not very long, "Cousin Dupree" always made me smirk. In all, 2vsN is a VERY good disc.
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 17:00
Um, by the way, what's with the photo of the cover of "Pretzel Logic?" It's a black and white photo. Only. The one here looks like someone spilled something disgusting on it. I'm just sayin'....
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 17:06
Chicapah wrote:
Um, by the way, what's with the photo of the cover of "Pretzel Logic?" It's a black and white photo. Only. The one here looks like someone spilled something disgusting on it. I'm just sayin'.... |
hahah... yeah.... I'm reviewing that album now.. or taking a break actually... I'll address that in my review I guess
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 18:35
off to finish my review of Pretzel Logic. .. to answer the age old question.. Just what the hell does the cover mean?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 20:18
and posted.. .getting the hang of this reviewing sh*t.. much easier than reviewing Italian albums hahahha
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 20:46
that's a wonderful review Mike, and so obviously written by someone both highly learned in music history and of the band itself ..oh I wanted to whip out my editor's pen a few times but screw it ..nice one!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 20:50
sh*t... you probably should.. I spent 10 minutes correcting it as it was hahahha. Well... let me spend another 10 minutes on it hahhaha.
thanks David. Maybe I should stick to the Italian ones
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 20:55
the bands or the women?
* hides behind bar in the old Art Team thread till micky leaves for the night *
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:08
Atavachron wrote:
the bands or the women?
* hides behind bar in the old Art Team thread till micky leaves for the night *
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hahahahah... maybe I should hide there as well. Thanks for the feedback David. Did some cleaning up.. and think I picked up where you were itching to use that pen at hahahha
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:35
More reviews from SC's and Admin please. When you get reviews like that you wonder why some of you guys have been hiding all this time
Talking about covers, explain the artwork on Katy Lied?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 02 2008 at 06:30
Chris Stacey wrote:
Talking about covers, explain the artwork on Katy Lied? |
I will.. in tonight's review of that. I think that one though is pretty well known.. or at least has a commonly held assumption hahhah
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 06:08
Portions of their "Aja" album qualify for Jazz-Prog. Other albums, I am not so sure ("Rikki, don't lose that number?")
Anyway, the title cut of "Aja" is a near Jazz-Prog masterpiece for two reasons: Michael Omartian plays keys (yeah, I know, you don't know him - but you should!); and, Steve Gadd plays the drum licks that garner him the percussion award for that year (1977). It really is a great, near-prog, song...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 06:14
prog4evr wrote:
Portions of their "Aja" album qualify for Jazz-Prog. Other albums, I am not so sure ("Rikki, don't lose that number?")
Anyway, the title cut of "Aja" is a near Jazz-Prog masterpiece for two reasons: Michael Omartian plays keys (yeah, I know, you don't know him - but you should!); and, Steve Gadd plays the drum licks that garner him the percussion award for that year (1977). It really is a great, near-prog, song...
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try reading some of the reviews here
The keyboard riff for 'Rikki' was taken from "Song For My Father," which was
released in 1964 by Jazz composer and pianist Horace Silver. The
opening of both songs is nearly identical. It's a good example of how
Steely Dan fused Jazz and pop
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