I'm really sick of "best musician" polls....

Dim wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Dim wrote: BaldFriede wrote: ... because whenever you see such a poll you can be certain there never is a German musician listed in it. Are there really no excellent German musicians? Of course not! I could name several in every category, for example drums: Mani Neumeier, Freddy Setz, Curt Cress, Jan Fride. Or guitar: Roland Schaeffer, Roman Bunka, Dieter Bornschlegel. Or bass: Helmut Hattler, Peter Kühmstedt, Matz Steinke. Or keyboards: Jürgen Dollase, Ingo Bischof, Michael Wehmeyer. Or... I'll stop here. The same is true for France, although to a slightly lesser degree; at least some French musicians are named occasionally (most notably Christian Vander). So please, guys and girls, if you make a poll for "best musician" and only know musicians from the USA or the UK then make your poll "Best .... (fill in any instrumental category) of UK and USA". Or go and make yourselves more knowledgable.    I almost find this hypocritical   You complain that there isnt enough attention towards musicians from different places, but the only modern band that you even listen to and actually praise it the red masque, while you completely disregard entire subgenre's of music just because they're modern. So now you know how I feel feel when I see another poll between Yes Genesis, ELP ect.   And if you want some good drumming from foreign places check out Toe, Japanese Math rock band all about the drums. Unless it's too modern. Not true. The Red Masque is simply the only modern band I like. That does not mean I haven't heard others.   If you only like one modern band, than all I can tell you is that you didnt look hard enough, if you even looked at all.

with all respect: you are not the guardian of my taste. modern bands are too controlled. I tried Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and they had a certain appeal, but there were a few things I disliked too. nevertheless, they are certainly better than most modern bands.
there are some new bands I love, but they are not in the archives and probably don't belong either (although there are strong prog relations), like Hadouk from France or the international trio Orientacion. of what is in the archives: I have listend to a lot of new stuff and was almost always disappointed

I once justifiably earned a reputation for trouble when I constantly attacked Best of polls for being incorrect . My point being that they should be "My favourite" so as to avoid the stain of objectivity. Pedantic, yes. But then I thought, who cares. It's like arguing as to who the 14th most powerful drummer in the world is, or fighting over whether to use G or G7 in a song (True story - it seems that Howe & Anderson actually had this arguement during Tales).

BaldFriede wrote: Dim wrote: BaldFriede wrote: ... because whenever you see such a poll you can be certain there never is a German musician listed in it. Are there really no excellent German musicians? Of course not! I could name several in every category, for example drums: Mani Neumeier, Freddy Setz, Curt Cress, Jan Fride. Or guitar: Roland Schaeffer, Roman Bunka, Dieter Bornschlegel. Or bass: Helmut Hattler, Peter Kühmstedt, Matz Steinke. Or keyboards: Jürgen Dollase, Ingo Bischof, Michael Wehmeyer. Or... I'll stop here. The same is true for France, although to a slightly lesser degree; at least some French musicians are named occasionally (most notably Christian Vander). So please, guys and girls, if you make a poll for "best musician" and only know musicians from the USA or the UK then make your poll "Best .... (fill in any instrumental category) of UK and USA". Or go and make yourselves more knowledgable.    I almost find this hypocritical   You complain that there isnt enough attention towards musicians from different places, but the only modern band that you even listen to and actually praise it the red masque, while you completely disregard entire subgenre's of music just because they're modern. So now you know how I feel feel when I see another poll between Yes Genesis, ELP ect.   And if you want some good drumming from foreign places check out Toe, Japanese Math rock band all about the drums. Unless it's too modern. Not true. The Red Masque is simply the only modern band I like. That does not mean I haven't heard others.

Dim wrote: BaldFriede wrote: ... because whenever you see such a poll you can be certain there never is a German musician listed in it. Are there really no excellent German musicians? Of course not! I could name several in every category, for example drums: Mani Neumeier, Freddy Setz, Curt Cress, Jan Fride. Or guitar: Roland Schaeffer, Roman Bunka, Dieter Bornschlegel. Or bass: Helmut Hattler, Peter Kühmstedt, Matz Steinke. Or keyboards: Jürgen Dollase, Ingo Bischof, Michael Wehmeyer. Or... I'll stop here. The same is true for France, although to a slightly lesser degree; at least some French musicians are named occasionally (most notably Christian Vander). So please, guys and girls, if you make a poll for "best musician" and only know musicians from the USA or the UK then make your poll "Best .... (fill in any instrumental category) of UK and USA". Or go and make yourselves more knowledgable.    I almost find this hypocritical   You complain that there isnt enough attention towards musicians from different places, but the only modern band that you even listen to and actually praise it the red masque, while you completely disregard entire subgenre's of music just because they're modern. So now you know how I feel feel when I see another poll between Yes Genesis, ELP ect.   And if you want some good drumming from foreign places check out Toe, Japanese Math rock band all about the drums. Unless it's too modern.

Not true. The Red Masque is simply the only modern band I like. That does not mean I haven't heard others.

Zargus wrote: Who gives a sh*t about thos polls anyway they are yust pointless wast of time. And dont prove anything yust whos popular... like Jon Lord wining the Hammon Lord poll, lawl give me a break sure he is the biggest name but best player? comon....

MovingPictures07 wrote: NaturalScience wrote: How about just not clicking on them?  I mean, you guys have been here a long time...when you see a poll named "best drummer" or whatever, don't you know what to expect by now? You beat me to it. Even better, how about YOU make a poll with musicians that are often more overlooked on it? Surely then there will be a poll that satisfies your needs. I'm sick of "people complaining about various things" threads. Just do something about it.

BaldFriede wrote: ... because whenever you see such a poll you can be certain there never is a German musician listed in it. Are there really no excellent German musicians? Of course not! I could name several in every category, for example drums: Mani Neumeier, Freddy Setz, Curt Cress, Jan Fride. Or guitar: Roland Schaeffer, Roman Bunka, Dieter Bornschlegel. Or bass: Helmut Hattler, Peter Kühmstedt, Matz Steinke. Or keyboards: Jürgen Dollase, Ingo Bischof, Michael Wehmeyer. Or... I'll stop here. The same is true for France, although to a slightly lesser degree; at least some French musicians are named occasionally (most notably Christian Vander). So please, guys and girls, if you make a poll for "best musician" and only know musicians from the USA or the UK then make your poll "Best .... (fill in any instrumental category) of UK and USA". Or go and make yourselves more knowledgable.

Edited by Dim - July 14 2008 at 12:12

Most of my favorite musicians are indeed from the US. So what? It's the biggest country of the world, from a rock music standpoint but from many others too. Why shouldn't this reflect in the top artist polls ... and does every person interested in music around the globe have to know Eugen Cicero? Well, pianists should at least have heard of him. Christian Vander? I would not know him if it wasn't for this website, and I don't think that's a bad thing either. Those musicians may be great, they may even be better than many of the more popular artists from the US or UK, but they're obscure ... it doesn't have anything to do with quality, but popularity. And "best artist" polls are - at least partially - about popularity too. They might be more appropiately called "favorite artists" though.

Mani Nuemeier is GOD.

Personally i prefer the "your favourite musician" polls. It's extremely hard to judge the "best" as such, as different musicians are better at different things, e.g. you cannot compare Doyle Dykes to say Eric Clapton: both are astonishing guitarists, but i bet Doyle Dykes can do some things that Clapton can't do and vice versa. There isn't and never will be a "best" musician.

However, you can have your favourite musician as you may well prefer one style to another.