I'm really sick of "best musician" polls....
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Topic: I'm really sick of "best musician" polls....
Posted By: BaldFriede
Subject: I'm really sick of "best musician" polls....
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 08:55
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... because whenever you see such a poll you can be certain there never
is a German musician listed in it. Are there really no excellent German
musicians? Of course not! I could name several in every category, for
example drums: Mani Neumeier, Freddy Setz, Curt Cress, Jan Fride. Or guitar:
Roland Schaeffer, Roman Bunka, Dieter Bornschlegel. Or bass: Helmut
Hattler, Peter Kühmstedt, Matz Steinke. Or keyboards: Jürgen Dollase,
Ingo Bischof, Michael Wehmeyer. Or... I'll stop here. The same is true
for France, although to a slightly lesser degree; at least some French
musicians are named occasionally (most notably Christian Vander). So please, guys and girls, if you make a poll for "best musician" and only know musicians from the USA or the UK then make your poll "Best .... (fill in any instrumental category) of UK and USA". Or go and make yourselves more knowledgable. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:07
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I have to agree - prog polls tend to be very shallow or conservative in their picks, although there are exceptional posters of them...
A lot of what I listen to nowadays comes from Japan, Germany or France so my pick between Hackett and Howe is typically "who cares"? ;P |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:17
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Well I also listen to a lot of Japanese, French and Belgian music, so drummers such as Tatsuya Yoshida, Christian Vander and Daniel Denis make my lists. I think in many cases, people forget foreign musicians' names more and are too lazy to look them up. Friede, no Guy Evans, from Wales, in your signature then?  -------------   
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:29
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Yes, I could have named any other country. There are excellent musicians everywhere.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:40
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Then go ahead and make a poll of German best musicians!.
all joke aside I will have to agree. there are many many great musicians besides The States and and England.
For example
Lalo Huber – keyboards,
Luis Nakamura -drums
Carlos Lucena - guitars,
from the Band Nexus from Argertina are excellent musicians.
Kenichi Mitsuda / keyboards
Masayuki Muraishi / drums
Kenichi Oguchi / keyboards
Shunji Sægusa / bass
YoshihisaShimizu /guitar,keyboards
form the band Kenso from Japan all amaZING as well and alot more.  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:44
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How about just not clicking on them? I mean, you guys have been here a long time...when you see a poll named "best drummer" or whatever, don't you know what to expect by now? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 09:46
You beat me to it. Even better, how about YOU make a poll with musicians that are often more overlooked on it? Surely then there will be a poll that satisfies your needs. I'm sick of "people complaining about various things" threads. Just do something about it.  ------------- 
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NaturalScience wrote:Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 10:13
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Personally i prefer the "your favourite musician" polls. It's extremely hard to judge the "best" as such, as different musicians are better at different things, e.g. you cannot compare Doyle Dykes to say Eric Clapton: both are astonishing guitarists, but i bet Doyle Dykes can do some things that Clapton can't do and vice versa. There isn't and never will be a "best" musician. However, you can have your favourite musician as you may well prefer one style to another. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 10:17
Precisely.  Expanding on that, I have favourite albums but they are not necessarily 5/5 rated from me. I just like them. For instance, H to He Who Am the Only One is a 4/5 rated album (it's close to 4.5) yet even though an album like Godbluff is 5/5 (to me), I prefer H to He (meaning, I will likely play it more often). -------------
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 10:45
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Mani Nuemeier is GOD.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:15
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They're not included because many of the people who make the polls simply haven't heard of them, and a poll with them would tend to be rather uninteresting because a majority of the community here probably hasn't heard of them.
There's no distribution requirement for a Best Musician poll. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:44
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Most of my favorite musicians are indeed from the US. So what? It's the biggest country of the world, from a rock music standpoint but from many others too. Why shouldn't this reflect in the top artist polls ... and does every person interested in music around the globe have to know Eugen Cicero? Well, pianists should at least have heard of him. Christian Vander? I would not know him if it wasn't for this website, and I don't think that's a bad thing either. Those musicians may be great, they may even be better than many of the more popular artists from the US or UK, but they're obscure ... it doesn't have anything to do with quality, but popularity. And "best artist" polls are - at least partially - about popularity too. They might be more appropiately called "favorite artists" though. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 11:53
Untrue. There is John Zorn. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 12:05
I almost find this hypocritical
 You complain that there isnt enough attention towards musicians from different places, but the only modern band that you even listen to and actually praise it the red masque, while you completely disregard entire subgenre's of music just because they're modern. So now you know how I feel feel when I see another poll between Yes Genesis, ELP ect.
And if you want some good drumming from foreign places check out Toe, Japanese Math rock band all about the drums. Unless it's too modern. ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 12:08
You mean Frank Zappa? -------------
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 12:10
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 12:42
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Who gives a sh*t about thos polls anyway they are yust pointless wast of time. And dont prove anything yust whos popular... like Jon Lord wining the Hammon Lord poll, lawl give me a break sure he is the biggest name but best player? comon.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 12:44
No one's forcing you to view the results, so if you don't like it..why bother? -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 14:59
It's so easy to avoid those polls... just DO NOT CLICK on them....
And rejoice for your superior vast knowledge of bands from all over the world... most people here haven't heard those, so it would be quite stupid for them to create polls about artists they don't know about....
Remember, japanese prog or malaysian prog or namibian prog is not so easy to get... actually, sometimes even US or UK's prog is not so easy to find! (we're not talking pop music... you don't find it in every cd store) so MAYBE we can forgive all this people who don't know as much as you....
It's expensive, also. O, hell... let's make money so we can buy more prog from other countries so we can create new polls with more of a United Nations flavor to them....
So I think it's btter just to AVOID those polls.....
In the other hand, I'm really sick of people going into threads about genres they don;t like just to say how much they dislike double bass drumming or how inappropiate a genre's name is....
Tell me Baldfriede, can't I also be sick of that??? ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 15:23
Not true. The Red Masque is simply the only modern band I like. That does not mean I haven't heard others. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 16:12
While it doesn't actually constitute proof, I will point out that no one has a more impressive allmusicguide page than John Zorn. Just look at it; it's unreal. |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 21:39
If you only like one modern band, than all I can tell you is that you didnt look hard enough, if you even looked at all. -------------
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: July 14 2008 at 21:54
Haha, I know, Zorn is awesome. I've only unfortunately heard samples though, I'm working on getting into his vast discography of awesome-soundingness.  -------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 18:10
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I once justifiably earned a reputation for trouble when I constantly attacked Best of polls for being incorrect . My point being that they should be "My favourite" so as to avoid the stain of objectivity. Pedantic, yes. But then I thought, who cares. It's like arguing as to who the 14th most powerful drummer in the world is, or fighting over whether to use G or G7 in a song (True story - it seems that Howe & Anderson actually had this arguement during Tales).
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: tubey
Date Posted: July 15 2008 at 18:21
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I'd rather stay away from these 'who's better, who's best' polls. It's like arguing who makes a better peanut butter and jelly sandwich...my mom or yours? It doesn't matter! Just eat your sandwich and be thankful you have it! The same with 'who's fastest?' or 'who's slowest?' or 'which band has gone the longest without having a bath?' I don't really know nor do I wish to know! It gets up my nose! For me, if you know what I like, then I prefer to have suggestions...like a buffet. You like this? How 'bout try some of that. If you like it, and I don't prefer it, then that's ok! Now, where's my peanut butter.....
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 16 2008 at 04:11
with all respect: you are not the guardian of my taste. modern bands are too controlled. I tried Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and they had a certain appeal, but there were a few things I disliked too. nevertheless, they are certainly better than most modern bands. there are some new bands I love, but they are not in the archives and probably don't belong either (although there are strong prog relations), like Hadouk from France or the international trio Orientacion. of what is in the archives: I have listend to a lot of new stuff and was almost always disappointed -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |